[time-nuts] Monitoring the Rapco 1804M - how antenna changes affect the unit

2011-10-30 Thread David J Taylor
Folks, I've made a small Web page describing what happened when I changed the puck antenna on a Rapco 1804M for a more sensitive one. The Rapco 1804M expects a big outside antenna. http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Rapco-1804M-notes.html Simply, the better signal provided a more consistent

Re: [time-nuts] Atomic clocks - Why alkali metals?

2011-10-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/29/2011 08:19 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: Moin, Over the past years, i've read quite a bit on the different flavours of atomic clocks and how they are build. I found explenations for most questions i had, but for one thing: Why do all current designs (with the exception of trapped ion

Re: [time-nuts] Atomic clocks - Why alkali metals?

2011-10-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/29/2011 09:12 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message20111029201927.b7a1130c.att...@kinali.ch, Attila Kinali writes: Is it because they can be aproximated as single electron systems due to the one electron in the valence orbit? Yes. Basically that electron is in a figure of eight

Re: [time-nuts] Atomic clocks - Why alkali metals?

2011-10-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/29/2011 09:34 PM, paul swed wrote: Ammonia was the first clock wasn't it? Potentially Na and K have reactive behaviors like catching on fire that isn't attractive to a manufacturing process. A feature shared with H, Ru and Cs, which does not exclude them from being selected. Cheers,

Re: [time-nuts] Atomic clocks - Why alkali metals?

2011-10-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/29/2011 09:55 PM, J. Forster wrote: Ammonia was the first clock wasn't it? I think it was an amplifier, not an oscillator. Microwave Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation = MASER. The ammonia clocks was not operating in amplification mode, but in absorbtion mode similar to

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: Neutrino timing

2011-10-30 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 6:08 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Right but they have that ability and its not good enough. The alternative was to It may very likely be good enough. Lots of people think they got it right. They either have a 60nS timing error which would be huge even for

Re: [time-nuts] Neutrino timing

2011-10-30 Thread Javier Serrano
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:39 PM, WarrenS warrensjmail-...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a more basic time-nut question.  Why is it a problem at all? How can the time uncertainty between two known and fixed locations be that large? Hi, sorry I am not checking my non-CERN account very often these

Re: [time-nuts] Atomic clocks - Why alkali metals?

2011-10-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Oddly enough, reactivity / cell lifetime is indeed worse with both ammonia and mercury(!) than with Rb and Cs. At least that's the word from those who have tried them all…. Bob On Oct 30, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 10/29/2011 09:34 PM, paul swed wrote: Ammonia was

Re: [time-nuts] Neutrino timing

2011-10-30 Thread mike cook
Le 30/10/2011 20:21, Javier Serrano a écrit : This can be done without much regard to high precision. Some 100 ns are OK. If neutrino time-of-flight had been the original goal of these experiments, quite a number of things would have been done differently from the start. I read that the OPERA

[time-nuts] C-Max Receiver Experiment

2011-10-30 Thread Justin Pinnix
Nuts, I recently picked up a C-Max evaluation kit from SparkFun to see if this $10 board could be used as a precision timing source. The short answer is no. The long answer is available at: http://www.fuzzythinking.com/?page_id=29 . It was a fun experiment and a great excuse to play with test

Re: [time-nuts] C-Max Receiver Experiment

2011-10-30 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi JP: Have you tried this at midnight local time? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.End2PartyGovernment.com/ Justin Pinnix wrote: Nuts, I recently picked up a C-Max evaluation kit from SparkFun to see if this $10 board could be used as a precision timing source. The

Re: [time-nuts] C-Max Receiver Experiment

2011-10-30 Thread KD0GLS
Justin, A while back, I did some crude experiments with the C-Max CME6005 IC which is, I believe, used in that evaluation module. If memory serves, there were some rather severe restrictions documented in either the datasheet or an application note regarding the loading on the TCO/TCON pins.

Re: [time-nuts] C-Max Receiver Experiment

2011-10-30 Thread Chris Albertson
You can use WWVB for timing but it is not as easy as buying the kit. First you need a better antenna and then a good location for it that is away from noisy electronics.then you have to let it disincline a local clock for a while. It will not be as good as GPS and you may never get 24 hour

Re: [time-nuts] C-Max Receiver Experiment

2011-10-30 Thread Justin Pinnix
Hi Brent, I actually saw that warning partway through the experiment. I disconnected it and didn't get any measurable difference. So, I put it back - it makes it easier to see what's going on :-) Based on several suggestions here, I think the next thing I'll try is capturing actual event

Re: [time-nuts] C-Max Receiver Experiment

2011-10-30 Thread Hal Murray
Based on several suggestions here, I think the next thing I'll try is capturing actual event arrival times. That will allow me to plot a histogram and let the experiment run all night (and day) to take advantage of different local times. Plus it gives me an excuse to buy (or build) a

Re: [time-nuts] C-Max Receiver Experiment

2011-10-30 Thread David J Taylor
Nuts, I recently picked up a C-Max evaluation kit from SparkFun to see if this $10 board could be used as a precision timing source. The short answer is no. The long answer is available at: http://www.fuzzythinking.com/?page_id=29 . It was a fun experiment and a great excuse to play with