Re: [time-nuts] Z3816A Control and Cleaning

2014-01-24 Thread Howard Davidson
When I worked at H-P, the original H-P, Loveland instrument division the last stage for circuit boards coming off the soldering process was a trip through a regular home dishwasher with tap water and Calgonite. It got ionic contamination off the boards better than anything else we tried. I

Re: [time-nuts] Examples of leap-seconds in local timezones

2014-01-24 Thread Bill Hawkins
Ah, yes, the time jump. Reminds me of the time jump off of the Empire State building in Men in Black III. Sure seems like the jump should be taken in increments smaller than an integer second. We have the technology. :-) Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: Magnus Danielson Sent:

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A position

2014-01-24 Thread Azelio Boriani
This issue has been discussed at length several times. Too much insulation is not necessarily desirable since the oscillator power has to be dissipated and the oven design of the MV89 wasn't meant to be put in a dewar. Better reduce the temperature gradient then fully isolate the OCXO. The

Re: [time-nuts] Z3816A Control and Cleaning

2014-01-24 Thread David C. Partridge
Is Calgonite just a brand name for regular dish-washer powder? (Not being a US denizen, the name passes me by). Thx Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Howard Davidson Sent: 24 January 2014 08:12 To: Discussion of

Re: [time-nuts] Help for general GPIB problem

2014-01-24 Thread Ulrich Bangert
John, thank you for your help. The idea to use IBDEV resulted from the following official NI statement: Snip For current and new GPIB applications, IBDEV should be used. IBFIND will return a board or device descriptor based off the

Re: [time-nuts] Help for general GPIB problem

2014-01-24 Thread John Miles
Hmm, yes, it's tough to say what might have motivated that recommendation. I have no idea what a device template is, or what it might mean for ibfind() to be difficult to port. It's worked for many years here, with both genuine and emulated (HP 82350-series) adapters. The one issue I've

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A position

2014-01-24 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Paul wrote: 1) Is the fact that the mv89a is inside a Dewar causing any short term or long term adverse effects? Dewars are appropriate for OCXOs that are designed to work in Dewars. They do not generally improve the temperature regulation of OCXOs that were not designed to work in Dewars,

Re: [time-nuts] Nortel GPSDO osc age alarm

2014-01-24 Thread GandalfG8
Hi Volker One possibility, as I found with one of these recently, is that your oscillator has aged such that the required EFC voltage for 10MHz output is now outside the range provided by the board. The EFC behaviour can be tracked if Lady Heather is enabled from switch on and the DAC

Re: [time-nuts] Examples of leap-seconds in local timezones

2014-01-24 Thread Didier Juges
I would support a leap minute. It will still be far enough in the future that I will not have to deal with it :) But then we would lose that wonderful subject of conversation and we would lose the practice of doing it somewhat regularly. I can see that the lack of practice could easily make it

Re: [time-nuts] Nortel GPSDO osc age alarm

2014-01-24 Thread GandalfG8
Whilst on second thoughts it does seem a bit odd that this oscillator has passed 10MHz and still not locking this might be linked to the alarms being generated at around 5.6 volts as per my previous comment, even though the EFC voltage at the extreme does, theoretically at least, seem to be

[time-nuts] Z3815A date problem fixed?

2014-01-24 Thread Morris Odell
Hi all, There was some consternation here 5 months ago when Z3815A GPSDOs began reporting a date 1024 weeks in the past. This was due to a storage overflow condition in the Furuno GPS receiver in the Z3915A. The designers probably never anticipated that they would still be in use 20 years

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A position

2014-01-24 Thread mike cook
Le 24 janv. 2014 à 05:26, Paul Cianciolo a écrit : Hello all, I have had a MV89A running now for a couple of years now. It is inside of a Dewar along with bypassing capacitors and the adjustment pot. The end is sealed insulation. For a matter of convenience the oscillator is mounted

Re: [time-nuts] Z3816A Control and Cleaning

2014-01-24 Thread J. L. Trantham
All, I got up this AM to a nice collection of responses and information. Thanks to all. Glenn, thanks for the Tek Scope article. Hal, I think that is the command I remember. I was searching under Z3816A, not Z3801A. I'll give it a try. Perhaps I was not clear about 'soap'. What I was

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-24 Thread Dan Kemppainen
The SX was/is a great chip. (I still use them on a near daily basis) Troubled history, though. This is part of why Parallax developed the Propeller. The premise behind the propeller, is that it is based on the Virtual Peripherals of the SX. You simulate peripherals by having interrupt code

Re: [time-nuts] Nortel GPSDO osc age alarm

2014-01-24 Thread Volker Esper
...thanks, Bob, it seems to be the oscillator, that is at it's limit, it cannot tune to 10 MHz at full EFC voltage, see new thread (started by Mark). Volker Am 24.01.2014 01:09, schrieb Bob Camp: Hi That’s a cell phone base station board. It’s got a bunch of outputs, some of which are

Re: [time-nuts] Z3816A Control and Cleaning

2014-01-24 Thread Donald Henderickx
On 1/23/2014 11:30 PM, Hal Murray wrote: Also, I seem to recall a command that can be sent by SatStat to change from GPS time to UTC time but I can't find it in my files. Is there such a command or am I hallucinating? My notes for the Z3801A say: :diag:gps:utc 1

Re: [time-nuts] Z3816A Control and Cleaning

2014-01-24 Thread paul swed
Tek article is quite good. Time to find a power washer for my tek 2465Bs. Maybe that will fix the memories. Not. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Donald Henderickx wa9...@sandprairie.netwrote: On 1/23/2014 11:30 PM, Hal Murray wrote: Also, I seem to recall a command that

Re: [time-nuts] Nortel GPSDO osc age alarm

2014-01-24 Thread Volker Esper
Thanks so much, Nigel, for this very interesting mail. Yes, the voltages are exactly as my ones. And yes, I've removed the oscillator, already. I then removed the thermal isolation from the osc, as well as the label, in slight hope for a hidden tuning screw. Of course, there isn't any. I, too,

Re: [time-nuts] Z3816A Control and Cleaning

2014-01-24 Thread J. L. Trantham
Larry, Thanks for the info. What is 'RO'? I am not familiar with that abbreviation. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Larry McDavid Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 10:34 PM To: Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] Z3816A Control and Cleaning

2014-01-24 Thread Larry McDavid
Oops! RO is Reverse Osmosis. I incorrectly assumed that was widely known. I've had an RO system under my kitchen sink for 30 years. Even CostCo sells RO systems you can install yourself. There is a separate spigot faucet on the sink for this mineral-free water. RO systems first pass city

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-24 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: Has anyone else looked at the Parallax Propeller processor for timing functions? Hi Brian, Oh yes. Really nice chip. But for precise timing applications I had huge problems with phase and temperature stability of

Re: [time-nuts] Nortel GPSDO osc age alarm

2014-01-24 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 24/01/2014 17:06:43 GMT Standard Time, ail...@t-online.de writes: Thanks so much, Nigel, for this very interesting mail. Yes, the voltages are exactly as my ones. And yes, I've removed the oscillator, already. I then removed the thermal isolation from the osc, as well

Re: [time-nuts] Nortel GPSDO osc age alarm

2014-01-24 Thread EB4APL
Volker, I have also a Trimble Nortel NTG550AA and fortunately it works very well from the beginning. I have a downloaded manual and some other info that I can send you if interested. And one word of caution: if you observe the cable that goes from the main board to the small interface board,

Re: [time-nuts] Nortel GPSDO osc age alarm

2014-01-24 Thread TMiller
9.8304 MHz divided by 300 is 32,768 Hz. Feed that to an electronic clock and you will have an atomic clock of sorts. Regards Thomas Miller, Director of Wireless Services Skyline Network Engineering, LLC 443-250-6381 From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Nortel GPSDO osc age alarm

2014-01-24 Thread Volker Esper
Ignacio, thanks for your message. Answeres within the text: And one word of caution: if you observe the cable that goes from the main board to the small interface board, you will see that one of the connectors is reversed so be careful if you make a custom one for your cabinet, do it in the

Re: [time-nuts] Nortel GPSDO osc age alarm

2014-01-24 Thread Volker Esper
Nice! I didn't know that. But what a number, 300... Why such a digital-hostile factor? Why not 256 or 512? Volker Am 24.01.2014 20:51, schrieb tmil...@skylinenet.net: 9.8304 MHz divided by 300 is 32,768 Hz. Feed that to an electronic clock and you will have an atomic clock of sorts. Regards

Re: [time-nuts] Nortel GPSDO osc age alarm

2014-01-24 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/24/14 11:57 AM, Volker Esper wrote: Nice! I didn't know that. But what a number, 300... Why such a digital-hostile factor? Why not 256 or 512? Volker Am 24.01.2014 20:51, schrieb tmil...@skylinenet.net: 9.8304 MHz divided by 300 is 32,768 Hz. Feed that to an electronic clock and you

Re: [time-nuts] Nortel GPSDO osc age alarm

2014-01-24 Thread Volker Esper
Oukaay - I should've known... Thanks, Jim! Am 24.01.2014 21:12, schrieb Jim Lux: On 1/24/14 11:57 AM, Volker Esper wrote: Nice! I didn't know that. But what a number, 300... Why such a digital-hostile factor? Why not 256 or 512? Volker Am 24.01.2014 20:51, schrieb tmil...@skylinenet.net:

Re: [time-nuts] Lady heather plus NTP server?

2014-01-24 Thread Martin Burnicki
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: I did a quick comparison between Lady Heather under Wine+Linux, Lady Heather under Win7, and WWV. The NTP time on my office machine agrees with WWV on 5 MHz as closely as my eyes and ears can tell. Linux is running its default NTP, Win7 is running Meinberg (as I

Re: [time-nuts] PICPET- was Affordable (cheap) COTS (etc)

2014-01-24 Thread Tom Van Baak
Brian, Well, my disciplining code is going to run as an FLL rather than a PLL to generate the correction for the OCXO or the Rb reference. The Propeller should work fine for a GPSDO. AFAIK no one has done this yet and I encourage you to try. The Parallax Propeller chip gets mentioned on the

Re: [time-nuts] Nortel GPSDO osc age alarm

2014-01-24 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 24/01/2014 21:48:27 GMT Standard Time, ail...@t-online.de writes: New ways of RF design - see photo ;-) - Definitely the last word in high rise developments:-) And glad to hear you got it sorted. Ok, I put three 1N4148 in series between

Re: [time-nuts] Nortel GPSDO osc age alarm

2014-01-24 Thread Graeme Zimmer
9.8304 MHz output, an odd frequency used by the cell tower equipment 9.8304 MHz is 8 x 1.2288 MHz which is the CDMA PN chip rate a rather fundamental frequency to the CDMA phone system Zim ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com

[time-nuts] 1050A Oscillator configuration

2014-01-24 Thread Tom Knox
Does anyone have experience with Datum 1050A output configurations. I have seen them loaded with everything from 1ea - 1PPS, 100KHz , 1MHz, 5MHz, and 10MHz to 4-10MHz and 1-5MHz to units with just a single 5MHz and 10MHz. I would like to switch one unit to 2-10MHz and 3-5Mhz or even 1-10MHz and

[time-nuts] Z3815A receiver transplant

2014-01-24 Thread Morris Odell
Hi all, The Z3815A is working perfectly with the new receiver except for a persistent antenna alarm. The new receiver is reporting the antenna is OK but it must have a different self-test answer sentence to the old one. The self-test is a PFEC sentence, which is proprietary to the manufacturer

[time-nuts] high (spacial) precision GPS in Kickstarter

2014-01-24 Thread Daniel Mendes
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/swiftnav/piksi-the-rtk-gps-receiver Has anyone seen this? Any time-nuts utility? Daniel ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] high (spacial) precision GPS in Kickstarter

2014-01-24 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Hello Daniel, Appears that is precision for position - not necessarily time. I think NIST had a write-up on something very similar. Regards, John Westmoreland On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Daniel Mendes dmend...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A receiver transplant

2014-01-24 Thread Ed Palmer
Hi Morris, You should be able to bridge one of the TTL to RS-232 ports on a MAX232 onto the line from the Z3815A to the GT-8031. This will let you capture the commands the Z3815A sends by using any terminal program. Similarly, if you bridge onto the line from the GT-8031 to the Z3815A you

[time-nuts] Small DPM clocks

2014-01-24 Thread Perry Sandeen
List,  What I am looking for is a way to display Local Time (MST) and Zulu (GMT) time in a small (6 X 8 or similar) package. There must be two displays and both lock up to NBS. Has anyone seen such a thing?   Hi Martin,   If you look on Ebay and type in LED automobile clocks, there is a large

Re: [time-nuts] Z3816A Control and Cleaning

2014-01-24 Thread J. L. Trantham
All, I had already set the local time zone offset from GPS to '0' so I can't address the success or not of the following commands if the 'offset' has not been set to '0'. :DIAG:GPS:UTC 1 Worked great to set the system from GPS time to UTC time. However, nothing changed on the display until I

Re: [time-nuts] Z3816A Control and Cleaning

2014-01-24 Thread J. L. Trantham
Larry, Thanks for the education. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Larry McDavid Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 12:21 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3816A

[time-nuts] FS: HP-10811 variant....

2014-01-24 Thread Brian, WA1ZMS
I need to clean the ham-shack here... I have one of these HP-10811 variants that I posted about last week that I'm willing to part with. It is marked HP-05071-60219. It is a single oven version. It has been tested and works . Make me an offer above $60 and it is yours plus shipping. (USPS

Re: [time-nuts] Lady heather plus NTP server?

2014-01-24 Thread David J Taylor
Further to Martin's most helpful comments, you can see how well Windows performs as an NTP server here: http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_ntp.php#windows and as a stratum-1 server here: http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/performance_ntp.php#windows-stratum-1 There's quite a lot of