Re: [time-nuts] Modeling vs reality question re my TIC

2014-03-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Unfortunately, I don't have a DSO, and I don't see any way to capture waveforms with the equipment I have available to me.  And then there's the insurmountable problem of not having access to the 120pf cap in the PIC.  I may have to just accept it without understanding it.  At least success is a

Re: [time-nuts] Modeling vs reality question re my TIC

2014-03-10 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Charge injection could well account for the offset from the expected minimum. There are no forward biased diodes in your circuit. It would be helpful to capture the 125 buffer input signal waveforms (and if possible the timing capacitor waveform) rather than trying to infer whats going on from

Re: [time-nuts] Modeling vs reality question re my TIC

2014-03-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Wouldn't those types of problems tend to make the result worse in some obvious way, instead of better than expected?  I'm getting an ADC swing from about .7V to about 2.4V; which corresponds to the usual diode sink at .7V and probably just blind luck with the 2.4V max being so close to the 2.5V

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 - 60165 Info Request

2014-03-10 Thread WarrenS
The single oven HP10811's heater supply is spec 20 to 30V, (=>18V is mostly OK, 19V is better) The Inner oven voltage spec on the Dual Oven 10811s that I have is 12 to 30Volts, (All work good down to ~11V) Internally my dual oven units use a 5V ref in their heater controller instead of a 10V

Re: [time-nuts] Modeling vs reality question re my TIC

2014-03-10 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Metastability in the Flipflops? Charge injection when tristating tristate buffers? Neither of which are included in your models. Bruce Bob Stewart wrote: Fellow Timenuts: I'm trying to square reality with the modeling that I did, and nothing makes sense. When I modeled the result of just m

Re: [time-nuts] Modeling vs reality question re my TIC

2014-03-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Chris, I don't think it's a software issue, as the voltage doubled when I halved the VRef - which is what would be expected.  Also, the voltages tracked the 5334B when I still had it connected, except that the TIC seems more precise and less noisy.  Then again, the 5334B was being fed with 8

Re: [time-nuts] Modeling vs reality question re my TIC

2014-03-10 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Bob Stewart wrote: > A range of 0.715V-2.38V is totally outside my expectations. The only way I > can get close to these values is if the internal CHOLD in the PIC is only a > fraction of the 120pf they say it has - say 20pf. Any thoughts would be > apprecia

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 - 60165 Info Request

2014-03-10 Thread Tom Knox
Thanks to TVB for hosting this manual containing info for most models of the venerable 10811. http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/10811a/10811a.pdf Thomas Knox > To: time-nuts@febo.com > From: johncr...@aol.com > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:17:58 -0400 > Subject: [time-nuts] HP 10811 - 60165 Info

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 - 60165 Info Request

2014-03-10 Thread Tom Knox
1 - BRN Oscillator Return (Com) 2 - RED Oscillator Power (+12V) 3 - ORG Oven Monitor Return (Com) 4 - YEL Oven Monitor Output 5 - GRN Oven Power (+18-24V) 6 - BLU Oven Return (Com) Thomas Knox > To: time-nuts@febo.com > From: johncr...@aol.com > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:17:58 -0400 > Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] Modeling vs reality question re my TIC

2014-03-10 Thread Hal Murray
b...@evoria.net said: > A range of 0.715V-2.38V is totally outside my expectations.  The only way I > can get close to these values is if the internal CHOLD in the PIC is only a > fraction of the 120pf they say it has - say 20pf.  Any thoughts would be > appreciated. My quick guess is a problem

[time-nuts] Modeling vs reality question re my TIC

2014-03-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Fellow Timenuts: I'm trying to square reality with the modeling that I did, and nothing makes sense.  When I modeled the result of just my 2.4K resistor with the caps and resistor the PIC datasheet says it has in it, there's no relationship.  The model says I'll get millivolts out.  Here's ho

[time-nuts] HP 10811 - 60165 Info Request

2014-03-10 Thread johncroos
I have acquired one of these double oven oscillators. Seems like a useful thing. Need info on pin outs, and operating voltages. Also any other useful information or links to same would be appreciated. Please reply off list with any files of specs etc to my email - johncr...@aol.com All help app

[time-nuts] How to measure phase noise of HCMOS oscillators?

2014-03-10 Thread Anders Time
A while a go i bought some low phase noise Crystek CVHD-950 and now I want to meas the phase noise of the oscillators. Is it best to try to impedance match the output signal and filter and amplify the hcmos before i feed it in to the phase detector? or Just hope that the signal is high enough to dr

Re: [time-nuts] Finding a spare part for HP5370B

2014-03-10 Thread Robert Atkinson
It's part No 05370-20206, no longer available from Agilent. I don't think you will find one easily. Best bet is to buy some plastic and make one. The "proper" plastic filter material is polarised to increase contrast but thin red acrylic sheet will do OK. masking the annciators may be tricky. Tr

Re: [time-nuts] ADEV from phase or frequency measurement

2014-03-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I’ve played with both the 6 db loss resistive splitters and the transformer based 3 db loss splitters. They both seem to be fine for splitting precision 10 MHz signals. For a while I avoided the transformer based parts, but not for any reason I could prove. Bob On Mar 10, 2014, at 7:41 AM,

Re: [time-nuts] ADEV from phase or frequency measurement

2014-03-10 Thread Volker Esper
Even if the -3dB were an issue, I'd have much more faith in a clear, passive resistor network than in a complex amplifier with all it's unknown non linear characteristics, temperature dependent time delays, noise sources, etc., etc. This simple home made network is a useful, manageable gadget. Volk

Re: [time-nuts] Range of Sawtooth values?

2014-03-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you watch long enough and know the clock frequency, you will find corrections over the entire period of the clock. In most modules that shows up as a +/- 1/2 clock period correction. Bob On Mar 10, 2014, at 2:03 AM, Hal Murray wrote: > > albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: >> The M12 user