Re: [time-nuts] GPS active antenna delay ?

2015-02-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/18/15 1:49 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: You could try tinyVNA[1]. I have used it once, it has some quirks (it's half hobby, half commercial project and that shows) but works otherwise. I have no idea how accurate it is. Attila Kinali [1]

[time-nuts] WWVB receivers obsolete!?

2015-02-18 Thread cdelect
Am I wrong or are all the older WWVB frequency standard receivers obsolete? My understanding was that since the transmitted format changed the receivers wont lock. I asked an eBay vendor about that since they are still asking big bucks. The reply was Ive heard that before, but certain people still

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1250A

2015-02-18 Thread Mike Feher
Yes. I had the same issue with several of my 1250s. Unless you intend to use it through a power outage, just disconnect the batteries and all should be fine. It will also be a lot lighter if you take them out. Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc. 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1250A

2015-02-18 Thread Doug Ronald
I own several of these units, and have for sale several more if anyone is interested. I can verify that a New Old Stock unit straight out of the box, needs to have the cover removed, and a piece of Styrofoam spacer removed from the relay you mention. It sounds like you have done that, or the

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1250A

2015-02-18 Thread Alan Melia
Hi Ole Mmmm well I have 2 and a friend has one all had dead batteries, quickly removed, but we didnt have a manual then so we just ran them without them batts. Our power is quite reliable. My pair have been running continuously for around 7 years now with no signs of problem and no relay

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB receivers obsolete!?

2015-02-18 Thread Charles Steinmetz
There is a Spectracom Technical Note discussing this [TN13-101(A), dated March 12, 2012]: http://www.spectracomcorp.com/Desktopmodules/Bring2Mind/DMX/Download.aspx?EntryId=963PortalId=0 or

Re: [time-nuts] GPS active antenna delay ?

2015-02-18 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:33:24 -0800 Tom McDermott tom.n...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dave - agree that VNA is one good way to measure the delay. If required accuracy is less than about 0.5 nsec, then Tx antenna to Rx antenna mutual impedance starts to become an issue. Above about 1 nsec error

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB receivers obsolete!?

2015-02-18 Thread paul swed
Corby A rare day when I can answer one of your questions. Usually the other way around. All of the phase tracking receivers will not lock to the new BPSK format without considerable modification. I have release a few to time-nuts here in the past. They involve costas loops and frequency doubling

Re: [time-nuts] GPS active antenna delay ?

2015-02-18 Thread Tom Holmes
HI Tom... Good to see you getting into Time-Nuttery! How accurately do you need to know the delay? For absolute time, it is important, but it doesn’t really help much with position since the calculation doesn't know which direction your receiver is located from the antenna. For a time-base it

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB receivers obsolete!?

2015-02-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
Corby, As have been discussed before, you need to upgrade them to have a Costas loop to wipe off the phase-modulation code. If you dig the archives, you can find the references. I agree that it's a bit silly to ask big bucks for a box which at best needs a modification to operate. It's not

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB receivers obsolete!?

2015-02-18 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Corby: The new format was designed to be compatible with the existing atomic clocks that use the AM time code. The problem comes with frequency standard receivers that make use of the carrier phase. Mail_Attachment -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB receivers obsolete!?

2015-02-18 Thread Son VoBa (Sync-n-Scale)
From the WWVB web page http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/wwvb.cfm : Enhanced WWVB Broadcast Format Change Since October 29, 2012 at 1500 UTC (9:00 AM MDT), NIST Radio Station WWVB has been broadcasting a phase modulated (PM) time code that has been added to the legacy

Re: [time-nuts] GPS active antenna delay ?

2015-02-18 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: One of the chirp receivers I worked with was connected to the audio output of a shortwave receiver. Since chirp transmitters sweep frequency (typically 2 to 30 MHz) you don't tune in the frequency domain but rather in the time domain and compare to a GPS based 1 PPS. This time difference

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1250A

2015-02-18 Thread paul swed
Ole I will guess that without the pack the bus voltage may go high and that they also used the pack as a filter cap. So you should be able to find a free manual on one of the sites. KO4BB is a good guess. It may be as simple to start as a 10,000 uf cap to get going. The oscillating relay may be 60

Re: [time-nuts] GPS active antenna delay ?

2015-02-18 Thread Bob Camp
Hi By far the simplest way to do this is to use a broadband passive antenna with a short cable. They are a $10 item on the auction sites. Compare whatever comes out of the GPS running off the cheap antenna to your “full system” pps offset. What you are doing with this comparison is no

Re: [time-nuts] GPS active antenna delay ?

2015-02-18 Thread Hal Murray
thol...@woh.rr.com said: How accurately do you need to know the delay? For absolute time, it is important, but it doesn’t really help much with position since the calculation doesn't know which direction your receiver is located from the antenna. GPS tells you the location of the