Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A gps week rollover

2016-09-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
That would be sunday midnight, GPS time, as GPS time-gears have GPS week shift between saturday and sunday. This naturally makes Monday extra monday as the system that fail do it during sunday. Cheers, Magnus On 09/05/2016 06:29 AM, Mark Sims wrote: I did a little math on the dates and it loo

Re: [time-nuts] Hobbyist grade or homebrew temperature testing chamber?

2016-09-05 Thread Brent Gordon
There are cheap GC (gas chromatograph) ovens on eBay. They are well-insulated and give you fast, precise temperature control. Some of them are designed with a liquid nitrogen input for cooling. Otherwise, you can use dry ice. I saw one mentioned on one of the mailing lists I read, maybe this

Re: [time-nuts] Hobbyist grade or homebrew temperature testing chamber?

2016-09-05 Thread Chris Albertson
You don't need exact control of the temperature. You just need a slow rate of change and the ability to measure the temperature accurately. I have used a picnic cooler with some water in the bottom and a very small fish tank heater. But this was for an experiment in a home biology lab not an ele

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna?

2016-09-05 Thread Gregory Beat
Glenn - These outdoor GPS antennas are PLENTIFUL via surplus. Launch3, which offered NOS Symmetricom surplus antennas to this group 12 months ago, are now selling these surplus Ericsson KRE units (eBay). The H inside a hexagon is the corporate logo for Huber-Suhner. Huber is a Swiss HQ company

Re: [time-nuts] Hobbyist grade or homebrew temperature testing chamber?

2016-09-05 Thread Bob Darlington
Rick, I'm going from memory here. My former business partner (now deceased) had a "beer fridge" setup as an environmental chamber for our instruments. The trick for stability was to run the AC compressor all the time, and push against it with heat lamps. The lamps were controlled with an Omega

Re: [time-nuts] Hobbyist grade or homebrew temperature testing chamber?

2016-09-05 Thread Hal Murray
rich...@karlquist.com said: > I thought I would check the brain trust here to see if anyone has seen a > hobbyist grade temperature testing chamber or kit or homebrew design. I > have some crystals, oscillators, and other electronics I would like to > characterize over temperature. I know this r

Re: [time-nuts] Hobbyist grade or homebrew temperature testing chamber?

2016-09-05 Thread Oz-in-DFW
As with most things here - it depends. I have a converted wine cooler I use for some things. Bought it for $20 at a flea market. It had blow a fuse on the power supply. This appears to be a common failure. Won't handle much thermal load, but it's a Peltier unit, so it will heat as well if wired c

Re: [time-nuts] Hobbyist grade or homebrew temperature testing chamber?

2016-09-05 Thread jimlux
On 9/5/16 8:52 PM, Scott Stobbe wrote: The bargain price mini coolers are often peltier cooled, they appear to fall under the marketing term "thermoelectric mini-fridge". I can't think of a project name, but I'm sure I've seen this done before using a mini fridge. https://www.amazon.com/AGPtek

Re: [time-nuts] Hobbyist grade or homebrew temperature testing chamber?

2016-09-05 Thread jimlux
On 9/5/16 7:48 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: As we all know, step #1 in making a clock is NOT to build a thermometer :-) I thought I would check the brain trust here to see if anyone has seen a hobbyist grade temperature testing chamber or kit or homebrew design. I have some crystals, osc

Re: [time-nuts] Hobbyist grade or homebrew temperature testing chamber?

2016-09-05 Thread Scott Stobbe
The bargain price mini coolers are often peltier cooled, they appear to fall under the marketing term "thermoelectric mini-fridge". I can't think of a project name, but I'm sure I've seen this done before using a mini fridge. On Monday, 5 September 2016, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: > As we a

Re: [time-nuts] Hobbyist grade or homebrew temperature testing chamber?

2016-09-05 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
Better stock up on 60W bulbs.  They are becoming outlawed. (Only kidding, a resistor works as well.) Also, a foam drink cooler will give a more stable temperature.  You can make it leak a bit of heat to get the thermostat to cycle.  The hard part is the thermostat; they aren't cheap - even the lo

Re: [time-nuts] Hobbyist grade or homebrew temperature testing chamber?

2016-09-05 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Richard! On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 19:48:14 -0700 "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" wrote: > I thought I would check the brain trust here to see > if anyone has seen a hobbyist grade temperature > testing chamber or kit or homebrew design. When I did this for testing labs, I took a cardboard box, a 60w in

Re: [time-nuts] GPS? Antenna

2016-09-05 Thread Chris Waldrup
It's a Huber Suhner. Chris > On Sep 5, 2016, at 21:26, Glenn Little WB4UIV > wrote: > > Pete, > > I do not know if I can send a picture to the mailing list. > > I am sending this to you and the list. > > The antenna is 4 inches from tip of cone to bottom of type-N connector. > It is 2 5/8"

[time-nuts] Hobbyist grade or homebrew temperature testing chamber?

2016-09-05 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
As we all know, step #1 in making a clock is NOT to build a thermometer :-) I thought I would check the brain trust here to see if anyone has seen a hobbyist grade temperature testing chamber or kit or homebrew design. I have some crystals, oscillators, and other electronics I would like to char

Re: [time-nuts] Datum TS2100 GPS issues

2016-09-05 Thread Hal Murray
glennmaill...@bellsouth.net said: > Is there a fix for the rollover problem for this instrument short of > replacing the receiver? In searching the archives, this is the only > solution that I see. Sometimes, you can patch the downstream code to work around the bug. It's only a few lines of co

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RFTFm-II-XO

2016-09-05 Thread Bill Hawkins
Fake connections? Isn't a redundant system supposed to allow one box to be disconnected? Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 8:20 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measure

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RFTFm-II-XO

2016-09-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you only have one box, you need to be sure the “fake” connections on the interconnect are correct. If they are not, you will not get it to operate correctly. There also is a survey process if you have not had it running in your location before. That could take a few hours to a few days

[time-nuts] Lucent RFTFm-II-XO

2016-09-05 Thread Chris Waldrup
Hi, I managed to get one of these Lucent boxes from a local ham that moved away a couple years back. I finally got around to modifying it today with Skip Withrow's mod to add 10 MHz output. I connected an antenna and after a few minutes the yellow and No GPS and Fault LEDs go out and the gre

Re: [time-nuts] Datum TS2100 GPS issues

2016-09-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Simple answer on all of this stuff: Once you hit rollover, you either ignore it or start replacing hardware. The companies that make this stuff stopped supporting firmware upgrades for the gear we now have a long time ago. That is one of the reasons we now can buy it cheap Even when upgra

Re: [time-nuts] Anybody want a Thunderbolt power supply

2016-09-05 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 01.09.2016 um 06:56 schrieb Gerhard Hoffmann: Am 01.09.2016 um 05:35 schrieb Charles Steinmetz: The suggestion to use LT3042s is a good one, but note that it has an output current rating of 200mA. The Tbolt needs ~250mA at +5v, and ~700mA at +12v [at startup -- but only ~150mA steady-stat

Re: [time-nuts] GPS? Antenna

2016-09-05 Thread Pete Lancashire
Nemko is the Norwegian "UL", my guess is the numbers are the test/certification numbers. A picture would help -pete On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Glenn Little WB4UIV < glennmaill...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > At the last hamfest that I attended, I bought an antenna that looks like a > GPS antenna

[time-nuts] Datum TS2100 GPS issues

2016-09-05 Thread Glenn Little WB4UIV
Is there a fix for the rollover problem for this instrument short of replacing the receiver? In searching the archives, this is the only solution that I see. Thanks 73 Glenn WB4UIV -- --- Glenn LittleARRL Techni

[time-nuts] GPS? Antenna

2016-09-05 Thread Glenn Little WB4UIV
At the last hamfest that I attended, I bought an antenna that looks like a GPS antenna. The price was right. This is a Nemko Article number: 84097323, Type number 1315.17.0018. It has a manufacturing date of 09/2012. Can anyone tell me if this is in fact a GPS antenna and what voltage wold be re

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A gps week rollover

2016-09-05 Thread Hal Murray
hol...@hotmail.com said: > I did a little math on the dates and it looks like the rollover happened in > the last couple of days... Thanks for the heads up. Mine started on Aug 17th /var/log/ntp/clockstats.20160817:57617 2.033 127.127.26.1 T21997010102300103 8 64 0 That's from ntpd's cl

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A gps week rollover

2016-09-05 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The rollover is in the GPS module firmware. If you dig into it, they didn't quite update the firmware once every 3 months, but almost that often. Each manufacturer latched onto various versions as they sailed by. None of them had a validation process that could keep up with 4 releases a year

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A gps week rollover

2016-09-05 Thread Ben Hall
On 9/4/2016 10:48 PM, Mark Sims wrote: Sometime (I didn't have it connected) in the last couple of weeks my Z3801A went into gps week rollover. If you have a Z3801A that had been working properly you might want to check yours. Different firmware versions roll over at different times. My Z380