Re: [time-nuts] Using GPSDO as a Refrence for Protable Amateur Radio Microwave Operations

2016-12-21 Thread Tom Curlee
I used one of the Jupiter GPS receivers that has a 10 KHz output to control my 10 GHz LO to discipline one of the common "brick" type of microwave oscillators.  These oscillators have an internal crystal oscillator (106.6 MHz  for a 10.224 GHz LO) that is multiplied up to the needed microwave fr

Re: [time-nuts] Using GPSDO as a Refrence for Protable Amateur Radio Microwave Operations

2016-12-21 Thread Dave Brown
It has been done. One I recall is Louis Cupido's Reflock system. TAPR did a kit for it some years back. Fairly sure there are others. But there are a number of readily available 'systems' these days that take a 10 MHz reference input and generate a 'clean' low microwave reference frequency outp

Re: [time-nuts] Using GPSDO as a Refrence for Protable Amateur Radio Microwave Operations

2016-12-21 Thread John Hawkinson
Chris Albertson (and Bob Camp ): > Why to people always build 10MHz GPSDOs? Because "a lot" (...) of amateur radio microwave equipment is designed off the shelf to accept an external 10 MHz input. [And other kinds of equipment, too.] If you're not designing from the ground-up, then it makes a lot

Re: [time-nuts] Problem with HP 83623A 20 GHz sweep generator stepping up/down 100 Hz when not wanted.

2016-12-21 Thread Tom Knox
If it is any help, the 836XXA/B series are all capable of 1Hz resolution but are locked at 1KHz unless you enter the license key for option 008. So it could be software/firmware related. Happy Merry; Thomas Knox From: time-nuts on behalf of Dr. David Kirkby

[time-nuts] Ublox M8N - have I a XO or TCXO ?

2016-12-21 Thread Mark Sims
Lady Heather does issue the MON-VER command. If you write a log file (W L W) the info is written as header comments in the log. The 5.0 release only writes the first entry from the ROM info section. The next spin will write all the available ROM info. My M8N returns 6 lines of ROM info (plus

Re: [time-nuts] Problem with HP 83623A 20 GHz sweep generator stepping up/down 100 Hz when not wanted.

2016-12-21 Thread paul swed
Dave Congratulations on 10 Ghz SSB. Now to your question. I will fully believe you are seeing normal behavior of the generators. Even if its dithering 100 Hz thats pretty amazing. Sweep gens simply are not stable enough for narrow work like you are trying. Now I am sure comments will prove me total

Re: [time-nuts] u-blox timing modules

2016-12-21 Thread Scott Stobbe
The LEA-M8F is a complete GPSDO in module, the TCXO is EFC steered, no sawtooth needed. On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > Ummm…. because you need a 30.72 MHz reference in a 4G base station rather > than the > TCXO that normally is in the uBlox modules. You can then “carry

Re: [time-nuts] Problem with HP 83623A 20 GHz sweep generator stepping up/down 100 Hz when not wanted.

2016-12-21 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi David: Do you have a comb generator? -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html The lesser of evils is still evil. Original Message I run a test over the weekend with a fellow radio ham. I transmitted 100 mW or so at

Re: [time-nuts] Problem with HP 83623A 20 GHz sweep generator stepping up/down 100 Hz when not wanted.

2016-12-21 Thread Scott McGrath
Can you use the VNA as a receiver? And determine whether the 100Hz shift is also seen on the VNA > On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:31 PM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) > wrote: > > On 21 December 2016 at 23:42, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) < > drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Using GPSDO as a Refrence for Protable Amateur Radio Microwave Operations

2016-12-21 Thread Chris Albertson
Why to people always build 10MHz GPSDOs? If the use of the GPSDO is to drive a microwave, why not build a MUCH higher frequency GPSDO.Is the reason that 10MHz crystals just happen to be very good and there are not good 100MHz ovenized crystals? Or for portable use could you not use the 1PPS

Re: [time-nuts] u-blox timing modules

2016-12-21 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ummm…. because you need a 30.72 MHz reference in a 4G base station rather than the TCXO that normally is in the uBlox modules. You can then “carry” the sawtooth into the SDR part of the basestation without a lot of muss and fuss. Bob > On Dec 21, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Bob Stewart wrote: >

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox M8N - have I a XO or TCXO ?

2016-12-21 Thread Kiwi Geoff
Mike Cook wrote: > It wouldn't surprise me, but you have a reference for this? I first read about this issue in the official Ublox forum Mike - try this link, http://tinyurl.com/Fake-M8Ns - at time of writing it leads to some of the messages that discuss the issue with photos and examples of M

Re: [time-nuts] SR620: odd measurements when in remote control

2016-12-21 Thread Hal Murray
> on start up i have an odd behavior. > 0, 1.99881895E+07 > 0, 1.99881912E+07 > 0, 1.99881757E+07 > 7, 1.99881856E+07 > 17, 1.99881878E+07 > 27, 1.99881900E+07 > What do you think? Looks like you are expecting readings every 10 seconds but it's sending a few samples duri

[time-nuts] Problem with HP 83623A 20 GHz sweep generator stepping up/down 100 Hz when not wanted.

2016-12-21 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I run a test over the weekend with a fellow radio ham. I transmitted 100 mW or so at 10368.115 MHz from an HP 83623A 10 MHz to 20 GHz sweep generator http://www.keysight.com/en/pd-101862%3Aepsg%3Apro-pn-83623A/synthesized-sweeper-10-mhz-to-20-ghz-high-power?cc=GB&lc=eng into a small horn ante

Re: [time-nuts] Using GPSDO as a Refrence for Protable Amateur Radio Microwave Operations

2016-12-21 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The missing element in your evaluation is phase noise. If you directly multiply *any* 10 MHz source up to 10 GHz, you have created a noise monster. The only rational way to do it is with a cleanup oscillator (or two) somewhere between 10 MHz and 10 GHz. There are a variety of reasons why you

Re: [time-nuts] Problem with HP 83623A 20 GHz sweep generator stepping up/down 100 Hz when not wanted.

2016-12-21 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 21 December 2016 at 23:42, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) < drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> wrote: > But one thing to possibly is > > * Set sweep generator to 10.368 GHz > * Set sweep generator to 10.378 GHz, so there's a 10 MHz difference. > I mean set the VNA to 10.378 GHz, so th

Re: [time-nuts] u-blox timing modules

2016-12-21 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi John, Could you tell me why one would use choose an LEA-M8F over an LEA-M8T? Bob - AE6RV  - AE6RV.com GFS GPSDO list: groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/GFS-GPSDOs/info From: John Haine To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, D

[time-nuts] Back Time nutting and a GPStar Plus

2016-12-21 Thread George Atkinson
Hi, I've been absent from the list for a few years. A combination of relocation for work, and other stuff going on. I'd not stopped altogether though. I have got an antenna on the new QTH, my Thunderbolt boxed up and running and some other test equipment sorted. Any way I randomly typed Odetics i

[time-nuts] Using GPSDO as a Refrence for Protable Amateur Radio Microwave Operations

2016-12-21 Thread Eric Haskell
Hello Time Nuts, I have been on the group and have promoted it to other folks for a while but this may be my first post here. I am microwave amateur radio operator and I have question to pose relating to the use of GPSDO's with amateur radio for microwave communication. First, the more generic

[time-nuts] u-blox timing modules

2016-12-21 Thread John Haine
It's worth noting, in case people don't know, that u-blox have a specific chip & module (the latter being the LEA-M8F) for precision timing, developed for the LTE (4G) base station market. This disciplines a low phase noise 30.72 MHz reference to received satellite signals, GPS/GLONASS/BeiDou.

[time-nuts] SR620: odd measurements when in remote control

2016-12-21 Thread lincoln
Hello, I have an SR620 that i am trying to get some more life out of. I have dedicated a raspberry pi 2 to recode data and make the files available through the network. I wrote a small c deamond that will setup the counter to make frequency measurements and save the result to a file o

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox M8N - have I a XO or TCXO ?

2016-12-21 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Given the short term stability limits on the frequency source (TCXO or XO) it’s a pretty good bet that the crystal in both oscillators is very similar. There’s not a lot of difference between a “normal” crystal and a “TCXO” crystal other than the angle of cut tolerance. Since the XO has fre

[time-nuts] Ublox M8N - have I a XO or TCXO ?

2016-12-21 Thread Mark Sims
I have used Reyax modules with RS-232 outputs for a long time. The company seems to be quite good. I trust them to be a reliable supplier and have never had any problems with any of their units despite being used in some rather harsh conditions. > Some time ago, I bough

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox M8N - have I a XO or TCXO ?

2016-12-21 Thread Peter Reilley
You seem to be assuming that the crystal in the TCXO is the same as the crystal in the XO. Wouldn't it be likely that the crystal would be higher quality in the more expensive product; the TCXO? How would a cheap crystal vs an expensive crystal appear different in the GPS data presented (igno

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox M8N - have I a XO or TCXO ?

2016-12-21 Thread Joseph Gray
Some time ago, I bought two different modules from Reyax on ebay. One module had a ublox M8N. Recently, I did some reading on several drone forums about fake ublox modules from China. It seems that modules from quite a few vendors are not genuine. From the information presented about identifying th

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox M8N - have I a XO or TCXO ?

2016-12-21 Thread Bob Camp
Hi > On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:20 AM, Mike Cook wrote: > > >> Le 21 déc. 2016 à 00:08, Kiwi Geoff a écrit : >> >> Hello All - and Seasons Greetings, >> >> One of the advantages of the recent hobby drone phenomena - it has >> brought to the market a lot of low cost GNSS modules that are >> lightw

Re: [time-nuts] Ublox M8N - have I a XO or TCXO ?

2016-12-21 Thread Mike Cook
> Le 21 déc. 2016 à 00:08, Kiwi Geoff a écrit : > > Hello All - and Seasons Greetings, > > One of the advantages of the recent hobby drone phenomena - it has > brought to the market a lot of low cost GNSS modules that are > lightweight for drone flight control systems. Those of us with other >

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Version 5 is now available

2016-12-21 Thread Peter Putnam
Mark, Thank you very much for the effort you put into the new Lady Heather Version 5 code. Comments from other linux users encouraged me to try my luck with a Raspberry Pi 2 Model B. The code compiled without issue and runs perfectly. The pre-configured "heather.cfg" file is a nice touch, c