Re: [time-nuts] My NTGS50AA failed

2014-11-13 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
the notes and figures and I'll upload it to some place. Best regards, Ignacio El 12/11/2014 a las 11:47, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts escribió: Hi Ignacio I have removed a faulty oscillator from one of these, not one of my more relaxed moments and quite amazed when the board emerged totally

Re: [time-nuts] My NTGS50AA failed

2014-11-12 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Hi Ignacio I have removed a faulty oscillator from one of these, not one of my more relaxed moments and quite amazed when the board emerged totally undamaged, but proof at least that it can be done:-) With the oscillator removed there's access to two sets of connector pads that will

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 GPSDO question

2014-11-09 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
In a message dated 09/11/2014 21:33:48 GMT Standard Time, t...@leapsecond.com writes: and 27 8×10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one. Now that's not something I've heard for a while:-) Nigel GM8PZR

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 GPSDO question

2014-11-09 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
LOL Happy Thanksgiving:-) In a message dated 10/11/2014 00:23:32 GMT Standard Time, d...@montana.com writes: You can get anything you want... GandalfG8--- via time-nuts In a message dated 09/11/2014 21:33:48 GMT Standard Time, t...@leapsecond.com writes: and 27 8×10 color glossy

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-07 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
with sawtooth ... Bob On Nov 6, 2014, at 7:52 AM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Hi Bob I view the master/slave situation the same way you do, but only commented because Lucent effectively sets things up the other way round so just wanted to be sure

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-07 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
this to see that it works on at least one other box. Bob On Nov 7, 2014, at 4:03 AM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Hi Bob Very many thanks for the prod re the Diagnostic port. Considering the other GPS kit I talk to using Hyperterminal and the like, often because

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-07 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
in this way. -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of GandalfG8--- via time-nuts Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 11:39 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions Hi Anthony

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-07 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Which one are you using? The bottom one referred to on Didier's site is the old Windows 3 version, perhaps even DOS, going back to 1993 or thereabouts. The later version is the one marked Satstat50, actually SatStat 5.0 and a Symmetricom release from 2001. I can't try it on Win7 right

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-07 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Of GandalfG8--- via time-nuts Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 2:11 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions When you say, all of that is what you see... Do you mean you go through the SatStat start sequence and you see

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-07 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Goetz Romahn about a new version of Z38XX that will work correctly with the 3810/11/12. The previous version worked fine under XP. It’s a far better program to use than SatStat. Bob On Nov 7, 2014, at 3:48 PM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Which one are you using

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-06 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Hi Paul Prime question is what are you calling the slave unit? In normal use Lucent treats the Ref-0 unit as the master and Ref-1 as the slave, but it's Ref-1 that contains the GPS module. Bit confusing but if you've got Ref-1 with the GPS module then you're in business:-) It's turned out

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-06 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
never a dull moment:-) Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a message dated 06/11/2014 12:04:47 GMT Standard Time, kb...@n1k.org writes: Hi On Nov 6, 2014, at 3:44 AM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Hi Paul Prime question is what are you calling the slave unit? 1

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-05 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
For what it's worth, here's what happened when I linked two Ref-1 units together One was fitted with it's GPS module as normal, I'll call this Ref-1. The other was as normal other than having it's GPS module removed, I'll call this Ref-1-0. The link cable was around 15 inches long and

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-05 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
PS, re two Ref-1 units linked I forgot to mention that unlike Stewart's comment re a normal pair below, my Ref-1 continues to show GPS 1PPS Valid It would seem there's some of the handshaking working ok but not much actual activity being shared, will have a further poke about later.

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-05 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
that it will improve. Figuring out what the last few pairs do would be a nice thing. Bob On Nov 5, 2014, at 7:20 AM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: For what it's worth, here's what happened when I linked two Ref-1 units together One was fitted with it's

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-04 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Verrry nice Stu, thank you, having both units obviously does have its advantages after all:-) Pin 3 certainly controls the standby indication on the Z3811A and it's comforting to know it is indeed a solid ground during normal operation. However, given the low logic level seen on pin 2 I'm

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z381...

2014-11-04 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
I’ve looked at. ADEV on a short run looks better than an un-tuned TBolt. I’ll need a much longer run to see what it’s really doing. Bob On Nov 3, 2014, at 1:20 PM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Ah, that's interesting, perhaps it wasn't me after all

[time-nuts] AOL Email Issues

2014-11-04 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Is anyone else with an AOL email address still seeing problems? I'm receiving some, but not all, of my own posts to the list, with the bounce count on my time-nuts subscription page going up accordingly. It seems to have reset a couple of times recently but is now up to 4 again, and the

Re: [time-nuts] AOL Email Issues

2014-11-04 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
something is working, or the list simply got inundated with Lucent KS-24361 related emails. Bye, Said Sent from my iPad On Nov 4, 2014, at 7:12, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Is anyone else with an AOL email address still seeing problems? I'm receiving some

Re: [time-nuts] Z3812 Diag port data? RE: time-nuts Digest, Vol 124, Issue 26

2014-11-03 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Bob It's possible that what you're seeing might well be normal operation when they're operating as a pair, since Ref-0, what we've been calling the slave because it has no GPS receiver, is actually the default master in operational terms. I only have Ref-1 units operating stand alone so

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-03 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Z3811A ON LED flashing.problem solved! If only it was always this easy:-) It turns out this is what happens if you switch the Output Level from 17 to 23, obviously an advisory indication to draw attention to the higher output. Switching it back reduces the level, as expected, and

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-03 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
GMT Standard Time, golgarfrinc...@gmail.com writes: GandalfG8 at aol.com GandalfG8 at aol.com Sun Nov 2 09:08:30 EST 2014 wrote: Ooh err, whoops, and oh dear !! Arthur, I've only just had a chance to look at your latest photos, and unless I've really got my wires crossed, if you'll pardon

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z381...

2014-11-03 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Ah, that's interesting, perhaps it wasn't me after all then. Did you have the same flashing ON light symptoms? Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a message dated 03/11/2014 17:56:56 GMT Standard Time, hmur...@megapathdsl.net writes: It turns out this is what happens if you switch the Output

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-02 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
on one of the many unused alarm pins. Bob On Nov 1, 2014, at 9:52 PM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Hi Bob, I understand the consequences of not modifying the unit but, having done so and having a REF-1 unit running stand alone, I was just commenting

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-02 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Ooh err, whoops, and oh dear !! Arthur, I've only just had a chance to look at your latest photos, and unless I've really got my wires crossed, if you'll pardon the expression:-), your links on J5 are not shown on pins 2, 10, 12, and 15, but on pins 4, 6, 11, and 13. As far as I'm aware

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-02 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Oh well, and perhaps not too surprisingly, the J5 pin 3 to ground option on its own was not that much of a raging success. However, the unit did eventually come up indicating Standby, and at that point pulling out the pin 3 to ground link and inserting the previously made up plug switched

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-02 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
…). Keep up the information stream. Keeping the information on the list puts it into the archives so it can be dug up by everybody. Bob On Nov 2, 2014, at 9:44 AM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Oh well, and perhaps not too surprisingly, the J5 pin 3 to ground option

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPS and Performance

2014-11-02 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Hi Ed It's a Motorola Oncore UT plus R5122U1152, listed as one of their standard versions with version 2.2 firmware. A google search on motorola oncore tech note, with or without the quotes, should bring up relevant data from TAPR and other sources. I haven't had one running for very

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-02 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Hi Gotz That's great stuff, thank you, I'll try that later. At this rate we'll soon be finding ways of doing this without any wiring whatsoever, perhaps we could start with just standing it upside down in a dark corner on the night of the full moon:-) Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-02 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
to use to attach an OCXO to a newer GPS (like the Jackson Labs part …). Bob On Nov 2, 2014, at 2:15 PM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Hi Gotz That's great stuff, thank you, I'll try that later. At this rate we'll soon be finding ways of doing this without any

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-02 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
. When I did the other connectors, I just ran through them with a DVM. 2.5V = 422 input, 1.5 or 3.5 = 422 output. I didn’t have any CMOS. Everything else was either open circuit or ground. Bob On Nov 2, 2014, at 3:01 PM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Ah, I had

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-02 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Hi Bob The UT+ data sheet from 1998 quotes an external backup supply of 2.5 to 5.35V with a drain of 5uA typical at 2.5 Volts. Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a message dated 02/11/2014 20:41:44 GMT Standard Time, kb...@n1k.org writes: Hi The numbers quoted earlier (and they sound right)

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-02 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
correction. That is an interesting observation (if true). These boxes have roots in the paranoid GPS SA era, so that might not be a big surprise. Bob On Nov 2, 2014, at 3:32 PM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Given the expected close proximity of these units, presumably

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-02 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Hi Bob The UT+ data sheet from 1998 quotes an external backup supply of 2.5 to 5.35V with a drain of 5uA typical at 2.5 Volts. Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a message dated 02/11/2014 20:41:44 GMT Standard Time, kb...@n1k.org

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-02 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Thanks Gotz 2 and 3 grounded works fine for me too, although I still have one unit that insists on flashing the ON light rather than bringing it on solid. In all other respects both units seem to match. Two more should be arriving sometime in the next couple of weeks so will see how they

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-02 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
in the “to be discovered” category. One of those should be the other half of D. Something in here should be a PPS. Bob On Nov 2, 2014, at 5:48 PM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Thanks Gotz 2 and 3 grounded works fine for me too, although I still have one unit that insists

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-01 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
I've confirmed from the model number that the GPS module on these is indeed an Oncore UT+. There's a Synergy engineering note available regarding Oncore battery backup, and one place a copy can be found is here... http://f6fgz.free.fr/Fichiers/GPS/Backup_Battery_Considerations.pdf If so

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-01 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Well, I'm happy to report that Arthur's modification does do the trick, although I don't know why as I don't have any data for the interface as yet. I daren't disturb the 15 pin connector right now as this Z3811A PCB is still out of its case and connected to a breadboard with wires just

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-01 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
, and you just had to connect the pins listed together, or whether this was a new circuit that had to be inserted. Sounds like the latter? Anthony -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of GandalfG8--- via time-nuts Sent: Saturday, November 01

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-01 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
any result of that. Bob On Nov 1, 2014, at 7:05 PM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Hi Anthony, It's a new circuit that has to be inserted, which is what I've done, but I'm not sure whether or not it's strictly necessary for the unit to function

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-01 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Hi Arthur, Thanks for the extra information, it sounds like you may well have answered my question:-) As I commented to Bob, I was hoping I might be able to find an option that didn't require any internal access, I knew that was a long shot anyway but I quite liked the idea of a plug and

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-01 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
PIC is certainly one way to do it. With no voltage coming out on the connector doing a purely external solution probably is going to require external power. I think I’d at least bring that out on one of the many unused alarm pins. Bob On Nov 1, 2014, at 9:52 PM, GandalfG8--- via time

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361/Z3812A GPSDO initial setup

2014-10-25 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Hi Bob If REF-0 is the only one that can output the data that would certainly put me in a shot myself in the foot position wouldn't it?:-) However, we do know from Arthur that REF-1 will operate stand alone, so assuming you haven't got a faulty unit, which I suspect is pretty unlikely,

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-10-24 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
units at this point. Maybe, down the road, someone will come up with the mods to convert a REF-1 into a REF-0, and vice versa, unless the firmware prevents that. Bob From: GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:59 AM

Re: [time-nuts] Z38xx rack mounts

2014-10-23 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
strap the rear square frame posts together. Add the 2U (each 'U' is 1-3/4) rack mount flanges and you're good to go. Mike On 10/22/2014 4:26 PM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts wrote: Hi Dave Many thanks for the MTI260 data, that's very useful and much appreciated. As regards

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-10-23 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
, and vice versa, unless the firmware prevents that. Bob From: GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:59 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812... It seems from the auction revision

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-10-23 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
the road, someone will come up with the mods to convert a REF-1 into a REF-0, and vice versa, unless the firmware prevents that. Bob From: GandalfG8--- via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:59 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent

Re: [time-nuts] Some specs for MTI Millren 260 OXCOs

2014-10-23 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
More than one way to skin an egg, or something like that anyway:-) A Google search on Vaish Milliren turned up this paper and another on the 260. _www.mti-milliren.com/MTIPapers/Rubidium_Perf_in_260.pdf_ (http://www.mti-milliren.com/MTIPapers/Rubidium_Perf_in_260.pdf)

Re: [time-nuts] Some specs for MTI Millren 260 OXCOs

2014-10-23 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Oh well, how's about Plan Z? I just checked the Milliren site and those papers are available from the front page under Technical Notes:-) Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a message dated 23/10/2014 22:12:17 GMT Daylight Time, p...@petelancashire.com writes: Anyone have a IEEE account ?

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-10-22 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Hi Stewart Yup, I was certainly wrong re the conditioning, sorry about that and thanks for the correction. I was under the impression from way back that in the original RFTG setup it was only the OCXO that was GPS conditioned but see now the manual, that I've also had from way back,

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-10-22 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
, golgarfrinc...@gmail.com writes: GandalfG8 at aol.com GandalfG8 at aol.com Wed Oct 22 04:35:40 EDT 2014 Similarly, with this RFTG-u kit I'd be more inclined to look for ways of routing the native 5MHz from the GPS conditioned Milliren 260 series oscillator to the outside world, and to just treat any

Re: [time-nuts] Z38xx rack mounts

2014-10-22 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Hi Dave Many thanks for the MTI260 data, that's very useful and much appreciated. As regards the the Z38xx modules, my Z3801As actually measure 10 9/16 between the front panel edges but obviously still too much to fit two like that into a standard 19 inch rack. I've considered two

Re: [time-nuts] Z38xx rack mounts

2014-10-22 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Plan B and a half. or C and three quarters or whatever:-) I just measured a Z3801A case, can't speak for any others in the series, and that measures 9 1/4 inches from one outside edge of the front panel to the opposite side of the box itself. Cutting off opposing edges from two front

Re: [time-nuts] Z38xx rack mounts

2014-10-22 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
, 2014 at 5:53 PM, GandalfG8--- via time-nuts _time-nuts@febo.com_ (mailto:time-nuts@febo.com) wrote: Plan B and a half. or C and three quarters or whatever:-) I just measured a Z3801A case, can't speak for any others in the series, and that measures 9 1/4 inches from one outside edge

[time-nuts] Austron 1120 octal based oscillator

2014-07-30 Thread GandalfG8
I've recently acqured an octal based 4.096Mhz Austron 1120 oscillator that physically at least is a close match to the unit shown in the data sheet on Didier's site. However, this one, model 1120-1FWT dated 1981, which was indicated as being ex aircraft, looks to have significant

Re: [time-nuts] Introduction and info about a Lucent RFTG

2014-07-05 Thread GandalfG8
Hi Denver When you refer to one side or the other, do you have the complete RFTG unit with the two modules? I only have the internals of the Rubidium module so would hardly claim to be an expert on these, or on much else for that matter:-), but as I understand it from the documentation

[time-nuts] AOL problems again

2014-07-05 Thread GandalfG8
I've just received another excessive bounce notification from the list, again I'm assuming because AOL has taken to rejecting any message that's forwarded such that it indicates it's still from AOL but isn't. Switching to digest and/or just reading the posts online is one fix but just

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB remodulator update Sent twice but never made it through ...

2014-07-04 Thread GandalfG8
Hi Paul Although I can't see any evidence of your attachment when I check the archives, I thought I'd received a copy with your messages that were forwarded from the list on both occasions you sent it, unless what you're referring to now is a different file? What I received both times as

Re: [time-nuts] 58503A date code problem

2014-06-22 Thread GandalfG8
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 13:06:19 -0400 From: Daniel Burch daniel.bu...@ieee.org To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] 58503A date code problem Message-ID: camyugjy7c6lyx7q26zwum40iezmfy5zshrcq_ygda5t4vc3...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi All, I have a HP/Symm

[time-nuts] Trimble NTGS50AA DAC Voltage

2014-06-11 Thread GandalfG8
I don't recall seeing this mentioned here before but if it has been, or if it's just something everyone else has always taken for granted, then apologies in advance from a comatose brain cell for the wasted bandwidth. Until today I'd not previously seen either an NTGS50AA or an NTBW50AA

[time-nuts] OT -- AOL and Yahoo Email Warning

2014-05-06 Thread GandalfG8
Apologies for the off topic post but I suspect this will affect some other list members as well as those also using Yahoo groups, so thought it worth sharing. Following some recent email spoof attacks both AOL and Yahoo have revised their DMARC settings to Reject. For anyone not familiar

Re: [time-nuts] SRS FS700 questions

2014-05-04 Thread GandalfG8
True, but I haven't got that far yet, I'm just trying to establish for now whether or not it's doing what it should be to start with. Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a message dated 04/05/2014 13:51:43 GMT Daylight Time, p...@phk.freebsd.dk writes: In message b4a0e.26a37c91.4096b...@aol.com,

[time-nuts] SRS FS700 questions

2014-05-03 Thread GandalfG8
My FS700 arrived yesterday, complete with bonus artistic effects due to the sender believing a thin coat of bubble wrap with an outer layer of cardboard cut from a box and just taped on top, no padding or air gap, would be the obvious way to ship it:-( Physically at least it seems to

Re: [time-nuts] SRS FS700 questions

2014-05-03 Thread GandalfG8
Hi Stan Many thanks for the advice, I was a bit concerned about making any adjustments until I'd confirmed it at least appeared to be working correctly but I've just taken another look at the manual and can't see any reason why I shouldn't. One of my reasons for concern was that

Re: [time-nuts] Z3816 Oscillator Saga

2014-05-02 Thread GandalfG8
Hi Chris I've got some results to hand for three samples of the fluke.l MTI-260-0624-C oscillator, if that's the one you mean?, and for 5 MHz output they all require an EFC input on pin 1 between 2.8 and 3.1 Volts. That's with a 12 Volt supply on pin 5, which gives approx 6 Volts out on

Re: [time-nuts] Low SNR GPS reception and cheap LNAs

2014-04-25 Thread GandalfG8
Coincidentally, I came across this earlier today when looking for some MMIC data, perhaps it might be worth a look?... http://lna4all.blogspot.co.uk/ Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a message dated 25/04/2014 14:28:57 GMT Daylight Time, att...@kinali.ch writes: Hi, I recently

Re: [time-nuts] FS700 manual

2014-04-21 Thread GandalfG8
Hi Mikael, Many thanks for the offer of the photos. I'm in no immediate panic, I'm not expecting to have my hands on the FS700 itself for another week or so, but if I haven't located any scans in the meantime that would be very much appreciated. Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a message

Re: [time-nuts] FS700 Loran-C Frequency Standard Schematics

2014-04-21 Thread GandalfG8
Now there's an interesting part number for a scanner:-) I've had similar problems in the past trying to stitch schematics, I did find a program some years ago that would half work, usually matching up the ends of the lines ok, but then leaving quite significant distortion in that region. I

Re: [time-nuts] FS700 Loran-C Frequency Standard Schematics

2014-04-20 Thread GandalfG8
Hi Magnus Thanks for the reply. I was aware of that, and the $35 previously mentioned in the time-nuts archives for an original manual from SRS doesn't sound too bad, but they don't seem to list the FS700 these days and for some other kit they now have the manuals priced at $100 each.

[time-nuts] FS700 Loran-C Frequency Standard Schematics

2014-04-19 Thread GandalfG8
I have a manual for the Stanford Research FS700 but it's lacking the schematics, and so far I've been unable to find them. I anyone has copies they'd be willing to share, or could point me in the right direction, that would be much appreciated. Regards Nigel GM8PZR

Re: [time-nuts] I can't get a nice waveform from my rubidium !

2014-04-17 Thread GandalfG8
Hi Claude I don't have any specific experience of this unit but suspect your problem may be down to impedance matching. The manual for the Quartzlock A10-M specifies the output impedance as being 50 ohms nominal and it would be reasonable to assume this is the same. Scope inputs and

Re: [time-nuts] Racal-Dana tactile switches

2014-04-05 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 05/04/2014 22:10:50 GMT Daylight Time, b...@jimbixby.com writes: I finally had to dive into my Racal Dana 1992 counter, after it had developed several bad switches. I found that through-hole 6x6mm tactile switches with four leads will fit in the counter pcb holes

Re: [time-nuts] FEI-5660 Rubidium Oscillator

2014-03-27 Thread GandalfG8
Aren't those Isochromes lovely? Just the prettiness and the name itself seems to make spending $10K so much more worthwhile:-) The FE-5660 is one of those featured in the FEI 12 page Rubidium Standards brochure that's available online, not much data though and I've never seen a manual,

Re: [time-nuts] 3.0 GHz Channel 3 Installation in Agilent 53132A Counter

2014-03-19 Thread GandalfG8
Hi Jim Will send direct shortly, if nothing arrives let me know and I'll try again. Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a message dated 19/03/2014 01:13:31 GMT Standard Time, jsrobb...@earthlink.net writes: Thanks everyone for the thoughts. Nigel, I am not seeing the references to pin 9

Re: [time-nuts] 3.0 GHz Channel 3 Installation in Agilent 53132A Counter

2014-03-19 Thread GandalfG8
Hi Jim The PC containing my archives is busy and I can't pull any files off right now, sorry about that, but I've confirmed that the component level service data I have is the same February 2007 version as can be found here.. http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5989-6308EN.pdf

Re: [time-nuts] 3.0GHz Channel 3 installation in Agilent 53132A counter

2014-03-18 Thread GandalfG8
Hi Jim According to the schematic in the 53132A service manual and the datasheet for the MB510 prescaler, the option 030 board is hard wired for a division ratio of 1/128, and that's the lowest division ratio shown for that prescaler. I've not fitted one of the original HP boards but

Re: [time-nuts] 3.0GHz Channel 3 installation in Agilent 53132A counter

2014-03-18 Thread GandalfG8
Further checking the service manual indicates that the main board treats pins 9 and 10 of the ribbon cable as CH3code1 and CH3 code2 respectively so perhaps it's using these as identifiers and it might be worth checking that those signals are as expected. The prescaler board schematic shows

Re: [time-nuts] Why using HP5370 ext-ref is (maybe) a bad idea

2014-03-03 Thread GandalfG8
What about replacing the 3336 external reference with something like an HP 10811 and checking what difference, if any, that makes? Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a message dated 03/03/2014 13:42:33 GMT Standard Time, p...@phk.freebsd.dk writes: In message

Re: [time-nuts] Why using HP5370 ext-ref is (maybe) a bad idea

2014-03-03 Thread GandalfG8
Sorry, I must have missunderstood. I realise the internal reference is already a 10811, but I thought there was some concern that just the use of the external reference facility might be in some way responsible, so if that was the case then perhaps using an external 10811 might also be

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO module connections

2014-03-03 Thread GandalfG8
It might also be worth noting that whilst manufacturers such as Trimble do recommend the use of RG59 or similar 75 ohm cable for GPS module antenna connections this is based on its lower loss compared with 50 ohm equivalents such as RG58. The connector itself on the GPS module, in most

Re: [time-nuts] Another atomic clock question

2014-03-02 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 02/03/2014 02:07:05 GMT Standard Time, bob91...@yahoo.com writes: All this is very interesting. However, my interest is frequency. In other words, I want to know that my standard oscillators are as close to desired frequency as possible, and how close that turns out to

Re: [time-nuts] Another atomic clock question

2014-03-02 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 02/03/2014 16:06:49 GMT Standard Time, bob91...@yahoo.com writes: Yes Nigel, it's a waste of time but so are computer games and going to Disneyland and such. We do it because we get pleasure, and nobody can criticize that. - Hi Bob, I'm not

Re: [time-nuts] Different breed of time nuttery

2014-02-24 Thread GandalfG8
A triumph of matter over mind. In a message dated 24/02/2014 04:35:21 GMT Standard Time, dmend...@gmail.com writes: This is a different breed of time nuttery than usual in this list but i think that at least some of you will enjoy it: http://www.behance.net/gallery/FLUX-1440/2420150

[time-nuts] BC637PCI Flash Memory Dump

2014-02-15 Thread GandalfG8
I've downloaded the flash memory contents from a BC637PCI card, it's a 128K file but also had to save it as 64K to please the disassemblers I found online. That didn't look to be an issue, as far as I can tell only 64K is used anyway. The memory chip is a CAT28F010, as opposed to a 29F010

Re: [time-nuts] BC637PCI 1024 week rollover

2014-02-13 Thread GandalfG8
You've lost me, what code are you modifying at the moment, is it the actual Datum demo software? Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a message dated 12/02/2014 03:48:12 GMT Standard Time, t...@patoka.org writes: You are right ! Now I am going to modify the code a lit bit. Each time as we call

Re: [time-nuts] BC637PCI 1024 week rollover

2014-02-11 Thread GandalfG8
Ah, sorry, when you commented before about modifying the demo software it obviously didn't register with me quite what you were trying to do. In the BC637PCI Demo software, I'm using version 7.0.0, under the Help menu, one item is Receiver Firmware Version and this returns the Packet 45

Re: [time-nuts] BC637PCI 1024 week rollover

2014-02-11 Thread GandalfG8
Ah, now I understand:-) All I'm using at the moment though is a small Trimble patch mounted indoors and although it does drop out occasionally most of the time it's ok, have you checked your satellite signal levels as reported by the BC637 software? Although my own interest is really only

Re: [time-nuts] BC637PCI 1024 week rollover

2014-02-10 Thread GandalfG8
That's the document I was refering to when I said earlier that I'd seen written confirmation from Trimble that they weren't expecting any rollover problems with the Ace3, I didn't mention the through the year 2015 comment as we haven't actually got there yet:-) That may indeed be an issue

Re: [time-nuts] BC637PCI 1024 week rollover

2014-02-10 Thread GandalfG8
Ah, I took 1999 as I thought that was the only relevant date for another 1024 weeks, I'm not familiar with the shifted 1024 week period so will take a look at that. Does shifted imply a shift at the whim of the manufacturer, ie could it explain why these boards might have been ok a few

Re: [time-nuts] BC637PCI 1024 week rollover

2014-02-10 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 10/02/2014 21:56:25 GMT Standard Time, mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org writes: On 10/02/14 11:15, gandal...@aol.com wrote: Ah, I took 1999 as I thought that was the only relevant date for another 1024 weeks, I'm not familiar with the shifted 1024 week period so will take a

[time-nuts] BC637PCI 1024 week rollover

2014-02-09 Thread GandalfG8
Oh well, full credit to Mr Trimble for getting it right, he does bake exceedingly nice GPS modules and the Ace3 doesn't have a rollover issue and it does report the date correctly. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell anyway, the BC637PCI takes the raw GPS time data from the Ace3 and

Re: [time-nuts] BC637PCI 1024 week rollover

2014-02-09 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 09/02/2014 15:31:47 GMT Standard Time, mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org writes: On 09/02/14 12:56, gandal...@aol.com wrote: Oh well, full credit to Mr Trimble for getting it right, he does bake exceedingly nice GPS modules and the Ace3 doesn't have a rollover issue and it

Re: [time-nuts] BC637PCI 1024 week rollover

2014-02-09 Thread GandalfG8
It may be that your onboard batteries are in better health than mine are, although mine might have been disabled using the software, as I tried booting up without an antenna this evening and got the right year this time but twith he date as 1st January:-) What I found when running in GPS

Re: [time-nuts] BC637PCI and OCXO

2014-02-08 Thread GandalfG8
Following my earlier post with download links for the Symmetricom software and documentation CD TVB was kind enough to send me this Symmetricom link.. http://www.symmetricom.com/bus-level-timing-sdk-and-driver-downloads/ I've verified that the two Windows archives there for the

Re: [time-nuts] BC637PCI and OCXO

2014-02-07 Thread GandalfG8
I played with this around five or six years ago but unfortunately my notes from that time are likely to be buried somewhere still waiting to be scanned or indexed. All the necessary information though is in the user and SDK manuals, connections for the 10MHz external input and EFC output

Re: [time-nuts] BC637PCI and OCXO

2014-02-07 Thread GandalfG8
Whilst sorting through my BC637PCI files earlier I realised for the first time that an ISO file I'd downloaded in 2010, described by Symmetricom as BC635/637 driver, is actually a full software and documentation CD, presumably what was then being supplied with new hardware. Ether that or I

Re: [time-nuts] BC637PCI and OCXO

2014-02-07 Thread GandalfG8
The information you need is more in the description of the software commands, this will tell you how to switch between the internal and external oscillators and how to vary the conditioning parameters and I'm pretty sure, although it's been a while so might be wrong, that some of the

Re: [time-nuts] BC637PCI and OCXO

2014-02-07 Thread GandalfG8
My first card at least is a Datum card so quite old now, and that was fine doing what you want to do.. You really will need to read the manuals in some detail and I do suggest downloading the larger of the two files I uploaded, that will give you the latest versions of the Demo programs

Re: [time-nuts] BC637PCI and OCXO

2014-02-07 Thread GandalfG8
Sounds like you cracked it, and beat me to it:-) I just dug out a PCI expansion chassis, the quickest option for now, and have one card up and running but have discovered, as a left over from my playing earlier, that installing the later software, what Symmetricom calls its BC635/637

Re: [time-nuts] New Acquisition: HP-53132A

2014-02-02 Thread GandalfG8
I'm not sure I'd want to go quite this far, but here's one option.. http://gerrysweeney.com/hp-53131a-hard-power-switch-modification/ Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a message dated 02/02/2014 03:50:56 GMT Standard Time, stanw...@verizon.net writes: Hello The Net, I just got in the

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