Re: [time-nuts] Wavecrest DTS 2070

2013-09-09 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi, The 207x is. Auto sensing for the mains. Groet, Henk Op 9 sep. 2013 om 11:52 heeft "Mark C. Stephens" het volgende geschreven: > After removing endless hex screws to get at the insides I find the 24V/2A PSU > that supplies the standby voltages has what appears to be a transformer > pri

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrst Application Note

2013-08-27 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi, Have sent pdf to Ed. Henk Op 27 aug. 2013, om 14:49 heeft "Tom Van Baak" het volgende geschreven: > Hi Ed, > > That link has been dead for all the years I've visited their site. Given the > format of other PDF file names in that directory the link may be a typo but > none of the obvio

Re: [time-nuts] Wavecrest DTS-2077 Teardown

2013-08-20 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi Ed, Nice story with nice pictures. Can you make full resolution pictures available please. The 2070 and 2075 look the same, at least as far I could see. But your picture show more of the inners than I saw when I opened mine. Henk Op 20 aug. 2013, om 20:51 heeft "Mike Feher" het volgende

Re: [time-nuts] LTC6957 Low Phase Noise Buffer/Driver

2013-04-17 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi, A possible explanation is that they use the term "high gain front end" when they assume a controlled noise bandwidth while for a comparator the assume an un-controlled noise bandwidth. The comparator has of coarse also a noise bandwidth that should be controlled by the designer. Henk Op

Re: [time-nuts] Don't use cheap cables -- a cautionary tale

2013-03-03 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi, The use of double shielded cables does raise the question to what type of connectors to use? Regards, Henk Op 3 mrt. 2013 om 17:30 heeft Jim Lux het volgende geschreven: > On 3/3/13 8:00 AM, Kevin Rosenberg wrote: >> On Mar 3, 2013, at 7:59 AM, John Ackermann wrote: >>> Lesson learned

Re: [time-nuts] Wavecrest DTS 2077 Service Manual?

2012-11-20 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi Said, Look at Dieder's site. Groet, Henk Op 20 nov. 2012 om 02:36 heeft saidj...@aol.com het volgende geschreven: > There is one calibration that can only be started by a GPIB command. I ran > into that, my unit constantly said something like "xxx calibration > required" or similar duri

[time-nuts] How to use Prologix GPIB-USB controller with Mathematica

2011-11-29 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hello, How to use Prologix GPIB-USB controller with Mathematica on a Mac, that is the question. Does the Prologix have a name so that I can write: Open["Prologix GPIB-USB"] ? regards, Henk ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscri

Re: [time-nuts] HP 53310A modulation domain analyzer

2011-07-30 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi, The 53310A is a very nice instrument for frequency and time interval measurements. The displayed time on the screen in divided in slots, 225 or 450, depending on measurement mode. In a slot every edge is counted but the first edge is timed by interpolation. In the 53310A I have and the ot

Re: [time-nuts] New Most Accurate Clock

2010-04-01 Thread henk ten Pierick
Tom, Great desing, Henk On 1 Apr 2010, at 9:29 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: I used the new google today and found that a new type of atomic clock has been developed which promises a revolution in timekeeping. Typically national physics laboratories, such as NIST in the United States, develop the

Re: [time-nuts] Tektronix AM503X current probes

2010-01-04 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi, Tektronix made two types of current probes, AC probes and Dc probes. The AC probes go from some Hz or kHz upto Mhz or GHz. They are robust and not so expensive. The DC probes are ac probes with an additional hall sensor in it. The go from DC to say 100MHz. The DC probes are expensive

Re: [time-nuts] opto coupler isolation?

2009-01-03 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi, Thanks for the response, I did expect this. It saves me the experiment. henk On Jan 3, 2009, at 23:33, Bruce Griffiths wrote: > Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> In message <494882EB-D714-49B4-A7E2- >> bef04509d...@deriesp.demon.nl>, Henk ten Pi >> erick writes: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> An opto coupl

[time-nuts] opto coupler isolation?

2009-01-03 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi, An opto coupler seems good idea for an isolation amplifier but maybe not for the phase noise. Any experience? regards, henk ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tim

Re: [time-nuts] 53310A help

2008-10-30 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi, 1. connect as shown on the Quick Start Signal Source. 2. Signal source ON, 3. select Frequency Modulation, 4. press Autoscale. This should give a sine on the display. Does this work? If yes I will make a scan of the manual. My Quick Start Signal Source is still alive. How about your eprom? re

Re: [time-nuts] GPS shielding by power lines?

2008-08-10 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi, In car radio capacitive antennas are used. The required LNA rejection for the power line frequency is in the order of 100dB. henk On Aug 10, 2008, at 15:16, Alan Melia wrote: > Hi Didier, thanks for that idea, yes they were all "pucks" all > Garmin two > intended for marine use and one

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B

2008-05-10 Thread Henk ten Pierick
On May 10, 2008, at 15:07, Didier Juges wrote: > Sorry if my answer was confusing. I did not mean to imply that the > 5370 was > 3 orders of magnitude more accurate than the 5335, simply that it > attempts > to display data with 3 orders of magnitude greater resolution (3 > orders of > magn

Re: [time-nuts] Fast frequency counting question

2008-05-04 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi, My first choice would be the HP533130A. The HP533130A is a interpolating counter with a scope-like display. It has the resolution you need. The resolution is determined by the time/div setting and the vertical scale. It divides the horizontal display time in 250 or 450 time slots, depe

Re: [time-nuts] LED reliability

2008-04-30 Thread Henk ten Pierick
On Apr 30, 2008, at 18:56, Hal Murray wrote: >> LEDs been viable since at least the early 70's? Talk about planned >> obsolescence... > > How reliable were the early LEDs? When did they start to get used > in high > reliability applications? When I joined Hewlett-Packard in 1970, they made th

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise & Jitter

2008-04-28 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi Don, Any comparator or slicer has a noise density and a noise bandwidth. The noise value of this slicer is the integral of the noise density over the noise bandwidth. The noise bandwidth is the slicer bandwidth, not the slicer frequency. Due to the slope, thus the slew rate, of the inpu

Re: [time-nuts] How to measure regulator noise?

2008-01-08 Thread Henk ten Pierick
On Jan 8, 2008, at 12:50, Don Collie wrote: > I`d just hang an AC millivoltmeter[or microvoltmeter] across the > regulator`s > output. > I use my H/P 400H, which will give readings down to about 50uV. If > your > regulator produces less noise than this [say a 723, with > 2uV], then you`ll nee

Re: [time-nuts] xtal oscillator phase noise

2008-01-05 Thread Henk ten Pierick
On Jan 2, 2008, at 0:06, Bruce Griffiths wrote: >> > Henk > > The circuit diagram helps a lot. Thanks a lot for the comments on the schematic, they explain a lot. > I will create some circuit schematics for crystal oscillators that > control the crystal current more directly and use a common ba

Re: [time-nuts] xtal oscillator phase noise

2008-01-01 Thread Henk ten Pierick
; 732-886-5960 > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:time-nuts- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Henk ten Pierick > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 8:03 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re:

Re: [time-nuts] xtal oscillator phase noise

2008-01-01 Thread Henk ten Pierick
age from V1? Is it also 12V? The ADR455 is a 5volt reference. > HNY - Same to you all. Henk > Mike > > > > Mike B. Feher, N4FS > 89 Arnold Blvd. > Howell, NJ, 07731 > 732-886-5960 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:time-n

Re: [time-nuts] xtal oscillator phase noise

2008-01-01 Thread Henk ten Pierick
On Dec 30, 2007, at 19:03, Grant Hodgson wrote: > Henk > > Two things will dominate if you want such a low phase noise spec.:- > the > loaded Q of the oscillator circuit, and the flicker corner frequency > of the sustaining amplifier transistor. To get a high loaded Q you > need > a crysta

Re: [time-nuts] xtal oscillator phase noise

2008-01-01 Thread Henk ten Pierick
On Dec 30, 2007, at 3:42, Bruce Griffiths wrote: > Henk > > The 30dB/decade phase noise slope could be the result of the effect of > low pass filtering a power supply or reference source that has > significant flicker noise. The reference used is an ADR455. I have not seen references significa

Re: [time-nuts] xtal oscillator phase noise

2008-01-01 Thread Henk ten Pierick
On Dec 30, 2007, at 0:03, Bruce Griffiths wrote: Henk ten Pierick wrote: Hello, Some questions on xtal oscillator phase noise. Henk A circuit diagram for the oscillator is required before intelligent comment about changes can be made. Bruce, 1. Best wishes. 2. It has taken some time

[time-nuts] xtal oscillator phase noise

2007-12-29 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hello, Some questions on xtal oscillator phase noise. Attached the measurement result of my series resonant xtal oscillator. It is a class A, ibias 5 mA, Ixtal 1 mArms. Transistor selected for low Rbb' 20 Ohm, Ft 100MHz. Reference voltage 5V from an ADR445, filtered with 10uF folie cap. Pha

Re: [time-nuts] Wavecrest 2070C manual?

2007-11-21 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi Jon, I have send what I have off-list. Henk On Nov 21, 2007, at 0:26, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > The UPS man left my nifty new DTS-2070C analyzer today. The unit > looks > like it's new in box, but it's been robbed of the manual (and SMA > shorts > and extenders that are supposed to

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-08 Thread Henk ten Pierick
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Bruce, Great! Henk On Nov 8, 2007, at 22:11, Bruce Griffiths wrote: > Henk ten Pierick wrote: >> On Nov 6, 2007, at 22:43, Bruce Griffiths wrote: >> >> >>> NIST's AC standard is currentl

Re: [time-nuts] OT: AC voltage standard

2007-11-08 Thread Henk ten Pierick
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Nov 6, 2007, at 22:43, Bruce Griffiths wrote: > NIST's AC standard is currently useful for generating frequencies > up to > 100kHz with 10MHz the projected useful limit for a 10Gb/s bit stream. > With say a 1Mb/s bit stre

Re: [time-nuts] from Sputnik to CD

2007-10-09 Thread Henk ten Pierick
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY 1. At first: thank you Greg Burnett. 2. There are some nice similarities between audio and time keeping. As an example: the relation between jitter and what is audible is a difficult one. There are not yet good models devel

Re: [time-nuts] from Sputnik to CD

2007-10-08 Thread Henk ten Pierick
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Oct 8, 2007, at 20:04, David McGaw wrote: > ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false > Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY > > As one who has worked in the pro digital audio field for years, I can > tell you that sub-100 ps jitter

Re: [time-nuts] from Sputnik to CD

2007-10-06 Thread Henk ten Pierick
On Oct 6, 2007, at 18:48, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > When faced with claims that picosecond jitter can be perceived by > the human ear, my flim-flam-o-meter blows a fuse. > > A 1 nsec phasemodulation of a 44100 kHz clock signal will, worst > case, come out to an noise component 87 dB below the in

Re: [time-nuts] from Sputnik to CD

2007-10-06 Thread Henk ten Pierick
On Oct 6, 2007, at 3:01, Magnus Danielson wrote: >> >> If the sample rate is 44.1 kHz then the adev below 1 s, even >> down to 10 us, or jitter, or the phase noise above 1 kHz are >> they key parameters; not long-term drift. In this case I'd take >> a nice 10811A over a typical Rb any day. Does a

Re: [time-nuts] Software Sawtooth correction prerequisites?

2007-08-01 Thread Henk ten Pierick
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Aug 1, 2007, at 0:51, Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: >> > Henk > > There is no theory to show that sigma delta modulators of order higher > than 2 are actually unconditionally stable. Yes, but with the Gerzon-Craven theory is

Re: [time-nuts] Software Sawtooth correction prerequisites?

2007-07-31 Thread Henk ten Pierick
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY On Jul 24, 2007, at 1:32, Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: > Perhaps a software implementation of a 1 bit oversampled DAC the 1 bit > output of which is low pass filtered to control the EFC input is the > closest approach to this ide

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B low frequency modulation

2007-07-28 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi Magnus, The 5372A which we bought new years ago reference polluted by the switching power supplies. There were more of them with different frequencies. It showed up in the fft of measurements and also seen at the reference output. I do not have access to that instrument anymore and do n

Re: [time-nuts] Vectron oscillator data

2007-06-19 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hello all, Same question for the Vectron 224-8647-2 100MHz. Henk ten Pierick On Jun 19, 2007, at 12:43, Jeroen Bastemeijer wrote: > Dear All, > > Can someone provide me with the pin-out of a Vectron 244-4799-2 > oscillator? It has a SMA output and a DB-9 connector for power sup

Re: [time-nuts] another Ebay mixup, 5370

2007-06-14 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi Said, For jitter measurements the bandwidth, and thus the rise time, is not important. Only the timing which is not affected by the rise time. The filter has to settle enough so bandwidth must be high enough. A low pass which increases the rise time is oke. For digital scopes, and thus

Re: [time-nuts] another Ebay mixup, 5370

2007-06-14 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi Said, We have a lot of fet probes in our lab, including Tek, hp and Philips. Only one is useful for jitter measurements with the Wavcrest, the hp 200MHz differential probe. I use it most of the time single ended. It is the noise bandwidth of the probe that is of most importance. If rea

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 findings

2007-05-30 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi Said, My hp53310 shows the same artifacts if the input frequency is nearly the reference frequency. If I use the reference as input frequency the noise is lower. When I adjust the time/div to more than 2 times the frame flyback time, I can see a disturbance at the fylback interval with

Re: [time-nuts] retry: PRS10 has spurious frequencies

2007-04-29 Thread Henk ten Pierick
On Apr 25, 2007, at 23:38, Dave Brown wrote: > Henk > Do any of the spurious signals show on the SA with a search antenna > (located in your lab environment)connected instead of the PRS10? > DaveB No, they are not. I can see spurious if and only if the PRS10 is powered. When I open the PRS10

Re: [time-nuts] retry: PRS10 has spurious frequencies

2007-04-25 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi Poul-Henning, 1. It is not a stupid question but a very valid one. 2. I was aware of the EMI possibility and tried ferrites on the supply and signal wires with no result. 3. I will try batteries but have to find enough of them. 4. On the spectrum analyzer, I checked the amplitude setting a

Re: [time-nuts] retry: PRS10 has spurious frequencies

2007-04-25 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi, Thank you all for the frequency plots of the PRS10. It is very interesting to see these and find the differences. In the mean time I have restarted my PRS10 and have seen that some spurious signals are large at start up and reduce after that. I have attached a screen shot of the hp8590

Re: [time-nuts] retry: PRS10 has spurious frequencies

2007-04-24 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi Said, Thanks for the picture. I have inserted a 100MHz lowpass between the PRS10 and the Wavecrest tot remove the spurious signals. There is a large difference in phase noise close to the carrier as calculated by the Wavecrest. It is unclear to me if the spurious is normal or not. The spur

Re: [time-nuts] retry: PRS10 has spurious frequencies

2007-04-23 Thread Henk ten Pierick
On Apr 23, 2007, at 20:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Your nice picture shows a -95dBc phase noise at 10Hz. >> The SRS spec for PRS10 is -130dBc at 10Hz. Can you explain that >> difference of 35dBc? > > The X axis is labeled in exponential form by the TSC instrument, it's > actually -95dBc/H

Re: [time-nuts] retry: PRS10 has spurious frequencies

2007-04-23 Thread Henk ten Pierick
On Apr 22, 2007, at 23:47, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Henk, > > great to hear that you got a Wavecrest DTS-2075!! That machine can > detect > spurs that phase noise measurements are oblivious too. Spurs cause > nasty > deterministic jitter of course. That DTS2075 is at my employers lab.

Re: [time-nuts] retry: PRS10 has spurious frequencies

2007-04-22 Thread Henk ten Pierick
rmonic; the > harmonics they're talking about are low order). > > John > > > Henk ten Pierick said the following on 04/22/2007 02:28 PM: >> Hello, >> >> Sorry for the reply, hit the wrong button. But: >> >> The output spectrum of my just bought PRS10 h

[time-nuts] retry: PRS10 has spurious frequencies

2007-04-22 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hello, Sorry for the reply, hit the wrong button. But: The output spectrum of my just bought PRS10 has spurious frequencies from 580MHz in steps of 10MHz up to 680MHz. The 580MHz and 680MHz signals just above the noise. The 630MHz amplitude 60dB down the 10MHz. Does anyone know if this a normal o

[time-nuts] PRS10 output spectrum

2007-04-22 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hello, The output spectrum of my just bought PRS10 has spurious frequencies from 580MHz in steps of 10MHz up to 680MHz. The 580MHz and 680MHz signals just above the noise. The 630MHz amplitude 60dB down the 10MHz. Does anyone know if this a normal output? Henk ___