Re: [time-nuts] 60hz disciplined watch

2011-04-20 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I wonder if it's smart enough to have a sanity check to determine whether the line frequency is 50 vs. 60 Hz? BTW -- I have an Ecodrive watch, but it's radio controlled (as well as solar charging), so haven't seen any reference to this setting method before. John On 4/20/2011 10:13 AM,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position averaging software?

2011-04-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
is no NMEA mode... HTH, Regards, Jean-Louis - Original Message - From: "John Ackermann N8UR" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS position averaging software? Thanks, all, for

Re: [time-nuts] GPS position averaging software?

2011-04-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Thanks, all, for the suggestions. I'm playing with WinOncore12 at the moment -- for some reason I'm not able to get the M12+ receiver into NMEA mode so VisualGPS isn't usable. I'll fuss more with NMEA mode this weekend, but is there any magic for the ioformat switch? I've used the command fr

[time-nuts] GPS position averaging software?

2011-04-12 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Just got a pair of GPS antennas on the roof and I'm interested in both getting as accurate a position survey as I can, and in comparing the performance of the two antennas -- one is a choke ring, the other a Motorola Timing2000. I'm using an M12+ receiver. I have TAC32 but am interested in ot

[time-nuts] GPS antenna with direction orientation?

2011-04-03 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
A couple of years ago I picked up a surplus Aeroantenna choke-ring GPS antenna that I think was intended for surveying use. I finally got it installed today and noticed that it has an arrow on the bottom indicating that the antenna should be oriented with the arrow facing north. I'm trying to

Re: [time-nuts] HP106B crystal oscillator

2011-03-17 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Dave, I haven't seen an actual Manson standard, but I do recall that one was listed in an ancient Tucker catalog (from the early 80s). I'm just now unpacking my library after our move, and should soon uncover that catalog if I still have it. Let me know if you'd like me to scan the Manson inf

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Here's a measurement we did a few years ago on the HP 58535A: http://www.febo.com/pages/hp_gps_splitter/port_1_hp_58535a_two_port_amp.png John On 3/4/2011 1:31 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Ok, now it's pretty obvious the RF world near your GPS will be changing a *lot* in the near future. Lights

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement for TADD-1?

2011-03-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 3/4/2011 12:22 PM, Dan Rae wrote: Does anyone know if there is a planned or upcoming replacement for the Tapr TADD-1? We're working on a very high performance distribution amplifier that will replace the TADD-1 and also be available in a single-channel version for isolation/buffer amp purp

Re: [time-nuts] VCXO help

2011-02-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Bert, first of all I'm really happy you're digging into this -- it's been on my list of "projects for someday" for a long time! One thing working in your favor is that the actual BFO frequency is way down at audio; the BFO crystals at around 2 MHz are divided by 1000 before hitting the mixer.

Re: [time-nuts] was there ever a "conclusion" on distribution amps ?

2011-02-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
All -- I hesitate to make pre-announcements, but TAPR plans to produce a very high performance replacement for the TADD-1, as well as a single-channel version for buffer/isolation amp use. I'm just on the verge of ordering alpha boards for the single channel version. I really can't hazard a

Re: [time-nuts] Changing to Daily Digest? Moderator/Admin Help?

2011-02-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 2/14/2011 11:45 AM, Joe Leikhim wrote: Hi; I would like to change my settings to receive only one daily digest. The website is not clear on how to make the change for existing subscribers. Can the administrator adjust this for me? Thanks Unfortunately, the digest can't be changed per-subscri

[time-nuts] Atlanta area time-nuts

2011-02-10 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Now that I'm getting settled in the Atlanta area, I thought it would be interesting to set up a way for local time-nuts to communicate, share resources (calibration parties, anyone?), and perhaps work on some group experiments (anyone interested in creating UTC(ATL)?). So, I've set up time-nut

Re: [time-nuts] Not getting microsecond accurate time in Linux with GPS setup

2011-01-18 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
You'll probably get better (and more interesting!) answers on the NTP group/mailing list, but a first thought is that NTP takes quite a long time to stabilize after startup. From the jitter value below being larger than the offset, I'm guessing you took this ntpq snapshot after only a few poll

Re: [time-nuts] Sensitivity to g in atomic clocks

2011-01-11 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
FWIW, I have an FTS militarized Cesium that has an accelerometer as part of the OCXO assembly to reduce vibration sensitivity. I'm told -- but can't document -- that it was for the Navy and the idea was to counteract the effects of the ship's guns. FTS engineers had a couple of PTTI articles d

Re: [time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them alittle slack

2011-01-03 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
All, this has drifted way off track and should have stopped many messages ago. I really hate having to jump in here but I've been getting well-justified private complaints. Can we *please* try to keep things on topic??? John J. Forster said the following on 01/01/2011 12:14 AM: HNY, I

[time-nuts] Looking for Spectracom rack ears

2010-12-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'm looking for rack mounting ears for Spectracom WWVB units, like the 8164 or 8170. If anyone has any they can spare, please contact me off-list. (They're no longer available from Spectracom.) Thanks! John j...@febo.com ___ time-nuts mailing list

Re: [time-nuts] Merry 55555

2010-12-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On Dec 24, 2010, at 8:41 PM, "Tom Van Baak" wrote: >> Lady Heather will display the date (but not fractional time) in MJD with /DM > > Anyone with a browser can try this one... > http://www.leapsecond.com/java/nixie.htm > > Or the mobile phone version: > http://leapsecond.com/m/mjd.htm > > /tv

Re: [time-nuts] RADAR

2010-12-20 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Guys, I hate to do this but we're starting to get way off topic (as interesting as I personally find radar history). Let's once again be considerate of the 1000 people who see each message posted here. Thanks, John On Dec 20, 2010, at 6:54 PM, "Lee Reynolds" wrote: > Hm, I suspect, Rob, muc

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
re the 3rd circuit down on the Wenzel page is identical to the input circuit for the TAPR TADD-2 frequency divider. The TADD-2 adds a transformer and load resistor. Schematic is in the manual here: http://www.tapr.org/~n8ur/TADD-2_Manual.pdf -Bob On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 8:46 AM, John Ackermann N

Re: [time-nuts] reference oscillator input circuit

2010-12-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Wenzel has some discussion and circuits at: http://www.wenzel.com/documents/waveform.html. The Shera GPSDO made clever use of the input circuit of a 74HCT4046 PLL chip for squaring. John On 12/8/2010 10:31 AM, jimlux wrote: I'm looking for suggestions on a general circuit that can be us

Re: [time-nuts] 5 and 10 MHz crystal filters

2010-11-15 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
is a function of the crystal > physics. There is a specific impedance that you must use for > a given bandwidth. Fortunately, it is easy to put transformers > at the ports to convert to 50 ohms. > > Rick Karlquist > N6RK > > On 11/15/2010 7:44 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrot

[time-nuts] 5 and 10 MHz crystal filters

2010-11-15 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'd like to find a couple of 5.0 and/or 10.0 MHz crystal filters, preferably configured for use in-line with 50 ohm coax. I've done some googling but don't find anyone selling these as a stock item. Do they exist? Any pointers would be appreciated. Used/surplus is fine (even preferable).

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the frequency of two gpsdo's.

2010-11-13 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Bert, I just approved your message, so it should show up soon. The reason for the size increase is that the internet email format is 7-bit ASCII, so a binary file has to be encoded down from 8 bits and grows as a result. John On Nov 13, 2010, at 3:32 PM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: > Hi > I give

[time-nuts] From the Administrator -- Was Re: OT loosing things

2010-11-13 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
All -- I am becoming very worried about the future of this list. TVB and I have deliberately tried to maintain a light touch, trusting that the positive value of the technical conversation here would outweigh the inevitable noise. However, it seems like self-restraint is a disappearing qual

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency referenced temperature regulator

2010-11-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
t; > Is there a source of crystals cut for temperature measurements? > > Have Fun, > > Brooke Clarke > http://www.PRC68.com > > > John Ackermann N8UR wrote: >> Sounds like the way the HP 2804 quartz thermometer works. HP came up with a >> special crysta

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency referenced temperature regulator

2010-11-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Sounds like the way the HP 2804 quartz thermometer works. HP came up with a special crystal cut that was very linear with temp, and I suspect the hardest part of your idea might be the linearity of the tempco of your crystal. But you could characterize that and store in a correction table. Jo

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
And for what it's worth, my digital scope is a TDS-1012 and I've been happy with it. John On Oct 31, 2010, at 12:32 PM, "J. Forster" wrote: > A couple of months ago, I bought a used Tek TDS 1002 for under $300. I've > always been very skeptical about DSOs and just love 7xxx series analog > un

Re: [time-nuts] 60KHz Antenna Cont'd

2010-10-20 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Here's the page I wrote years ago on the split-shield antenna: http://www.febo.com/time-freq/wwvb/antenna/index.html Unfortunately, I never took any photos and the antenna is now in pieces after a couple of moves. I've also had good luck using an active voltage probe antenna to receive both

Re: [time-nuts] Does TIME-NUTS LIST-SERV allow CLASSIFIED "For-Sale" private advertisment?

2010-10-18 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
We've never had a hard-and-fast rule, but in general the community seems OK with (a) non-dealers making occasional postings about T&F related items (i.e., excess or "housecleaning" items), and (b) commercial sellers making *very* occasional postings about unusual items. Periodic ads, or genera

Re: [time-nuts] Archives Location

2010-10-18 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The archives are at http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/ I'm not sure why you're getting site safety warnings going there because that's not an HTTPS (SSL) page, though the primary list management pages are. And regarding those warnings -- they are because I use a home-made security cert

Re: [time-nuts] febo.com SSL certificate

2010-10-15 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
eld. > > Very strange stuff. > > Bob > > > On Oct 15, 2010, at 9:20 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > >> I've regenerated the SSL certificate for HTTPS at febo.com. The new >> certificate should be good for ten years, as I intended (but failed to

[time-nuts] febo.com SSL certificate

2010-10-15 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I've regenerated the SSL certificate for HTTPS at febo.com. The new certificate should be good for ten years, as I intended (but failed to accomplish) when I created the old one. It's still a self-signed cert, so will throw a warning with your browser, but you can trust me and tell the browse

Re: [time-nuts] Febo.com SSL certificate expired

2010-10-15 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
bJason Rabel said the following on 10/15/2010 03:00 PM: Why bother buying a cert? Just create a self-signed one (and you can make it for like 10+ years)... It's not like he's selling stuff from his website... And that's what the old cert was. I will create a new one as soon as I get a chance

[time-nuts] Administrivia: Removing/Editing Postings

2010-08-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Every now and then I get a request asking that I remove a post from the time-nuts list archive because it was either meant for to an individual rather than the list, or it inadvertently included personal information. There is no easy way for me to remove a message from the archives; doing so s

Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update

2010-08-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Re PIC programming -- if the volume is sufficient, Digi-Key will program PICs. The set-up fee is enough that you probably want to do at least 50-100 units to amortize the cost, but it's not too bad. That's how we handled the PIC for the TADD-2. John Heathkid wrote: Stanley, I'm not g

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: Fwd: PicTic Data

2010-08-15 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Steve, I'm sure there are several folks here with web sites or download areas that could host the files. If no one else raises their hand, I could put them on febo.com. John Steve Rooke said the following on 08/15/2010 10:53 AM: Stanley and Nigel, I have received the go ahead to distri

Re: [time-nuts] Basic question regarding comparing two frequencies

2010-07-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Didier Juges wrote: I like the 3586 a lot, it's amazing what you can do with it. However, if you send the audio (beat note) to a computer or other instrument, keep in mind that the BFOs are not phase locked to the reference, they are just free standing crystal oscillators, and they may be off

Re: [time-nuts] Basic question regarding comparing two frequencies

2010-07-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Here's data showing Doppler (and other effects) on WWV as received in Dayton, OH over several days. I took this by reading an HP 3586C frequency counter output via GPIB -- which seems to be a good technique for long-term HF frequency gathering. You need to figure out a way to remove outliers

Re: [time-nuts] Totally OT -- Request for networking info

2010-07-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
All -- I've had an overwhelming response to my plea for advice. Thanks, but no more need. John ---- John Ackermann N8UR said the following on 07/23/2010 07:25 PM: I'm going to exercise the administrator's prerogative and ask if someone here who knows about IP network design w

[time-nuts] Totally OT -- Request for networking info

2010-07-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'm going to exercise the administrator's prerogative and ask if someone here who knows about IP network design would be willing to contact me ***off list*** at j...@febo.com and provide a bit of consultation -- possibly via a quick phone call. We've now moved into our new house/lab and I want

[time-nuts] Administrivia -- febo.com email

2010-05-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Sorry for the broadcast, but I wanted to get an update out to the users of febo.com email services (including the various mailing lists hosted here). The good news is that my upcoming move from Ohio to Georgia shouldn't disturb mail handling through febo.com. The other good news is that I've

Re: [time-nuts] Time nuttiness at Dayton!

2010-05-12 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Stop by the TAPR booth! I'll be there most of the time (when I'm not out snooping around in the flea market). John normn3...@stny.rr.com said the following on 05/12/2010 06:08 PM: Who is headed to Dayton?? Any vendors with junk? cu there! 73 de Norm n3ykf ___

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom 5115

2010-04-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
box that isn't quite as good as (as in 40 db worse than floor) an HP 3048. Of course I'd need to buy a cheap synthesizer to go with the 3048 if I wanted to do the "any frequency" stuff at the 5115 level. Bob On Apr 7, 2010, at 7:04 PM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: I just t

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom 5115

2010-04-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I just took a look at the datasheets for the 5115, 5120, and 5125. . The 5115 is the "base" model covering through 30 MHz and without a cross-correlation capability. At 10 MHz input frequency, its spec is -133 dBc/Hz at 1 Hz offset, and -147 dBc/Hz at >100 Hz offset (not spec'd at greater of

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom 5115A Phase Noise Allen Deviation TestSet on ePay

2010-04-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Holmes, N8ZM wrote: Luis... My wife is a great bargain hunter, and loves to come home and tell me how much money she has saved on something she just bought. I've been trying to get her to express the savings in dB$, but she just isn't going for it. Any mention of the word logarithm sends her

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 oscillator series 3010A

2010-03-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
For what it's worth, Corby, I've only ever seen or heard about that sticker on 10811s that were in HP Cs or RB standards -- I think that both my newer 5061A and 5065A have them. I have wondered whether maybe that upgrade was for compatibility with the div2 board used in the standards to get ba

Re: [time-nuts] Divider pecking order ?

2010-03-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'd love to see the results of some well designed and controlled jitter measurements. I did a bunch on the TADD-2 and a single-channel prototype, but they weren't as rigorous as this group deserves. (The short version is that the tests pretty consistently show jitter standard deviation of les

Re: [time-nuts] TADD enclosure screw sizes...

2010-03-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
o be able to get the board in, and screwed in. I'm probably going to be operating "open lid" for a while just to see the LED status. Dave On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 10:29 AM, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Dave, the standoffs are threaded for a 4-40 screw, but I'll tell you a secr

Re: [time-nuts] TADD enclosure screw sizes...

2010-03-13 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Dave, the standoffs are threaded for a 4-40 screw, but I'll tell you a secret -- if you use the nuts and washers on the BNC connectors, the board is held very securely without any need for the mounting screws; I've frankly never bothered with them. John Dave hartzell said the following o

Re: [time-nuts] Rb Oscillator - rather fundamental question

2010-02-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I don't think I agree with that, Warren. I'd view a primary standard as an intrinsic one -- that is accurate by definition and doesn't need calibration against another, higher level, source. A cesium beam standard is based on the same physical phenomenon that defines the second, so if it's wo

[time-nuts] MVUS FMT Results (Finally!) Available

2010-02-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Sorry to all for the delay, but the results from the December Frequency Measuring Test are available at http://www.febo.com/pages/mvus-fmt/Dec2009/results.html We congratulate WA4FJC, K5CM, AA6LK, K1GGI, and K9AYA for their first place finishes (there were ties on three of the four bands). Th

Re: [time-nuts] Sound Card Spectrum Analyzer

2010-02-18 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
You could also consider whether Gnuradio (http://www.gnuradio.org) could do what you need. It has interfaces to the Linux sound system. John Bob Camp said the following on 02/18/2010 08:10 PM: Hi Ok, A bit more info: 1) Quadrature PLL using an RPD-1 DBM and a home brew lock box. 2) Wi

Re: [time-nuts] Sound Card Spectrum Analyzer

2010-02-18 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
For Linux (and I think some other *nixes) check out Baudline (http://www.baudline.com). It's free but not open source. It's a general purpose audio spectrum analyzer tool, not aimed at ham radio. John Bob Camp said the following on 02/18/2010 06:18 PM: Hi Assuming I have a decent soun

Re: [time-nuts] No 1 PPS output on a Tbolt

2010-02-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Sal, what sweep time are you using on the scope? I believe the TBolt PPS is only microseconds wide, so you may need to speed up the sweep time to around 100us/div or faster to see it accurately. And you may need to mess with delaying the sweep to get the pulse on the screen. John SAL C

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency comparison

2010-02-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Raj -- You've already gotten some good answers. If all you want to do is measure the frequency offset rather than characterize the stability, a simple approach is to first get as close as you can by adjust for minimum march of the 10 MHz signals across the oscilloscope, then use either th

[time-nuts] Administrivia: On Topic Posts, Please!

2010-01-31 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
All -- While I have enjoyed the recent threads about benchtops, CFLs, LEDs, etc., they really aren't on topic for this list, and we all need to exercise some restraint. While I think the incredible knowledge and inquisitiveness of this group lead naturally to digressions, and those digressio

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD Question

2010-01-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
DMTD = Dual Mixer Time Difference It's a system for improving resolution of frequency stability measurement. You use a common low noise oscillator to separately mix both the device under test and the reference source down to a low frequency (usually between 1 and 100 Hz), then use a time inte

Re: [time-nuts] Test equipment / work benches...

2010-01-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Oh, and I also put up 4x8 sheets of white perfboard all around my workspace instead of drywall, and have various metal hooks to hang cables from. That's been *really* handy. John John Ackermann N8UR said the following on 01/24/2010 01:19 PM: An idea I really like, but haven't h

Re: [time-nuts] Test Equipment

2010-01-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
If RF measurement is your bag, and you're able to spend a couple of $K (actually, <$2K if what I've seen recently holds), consider a communications service monitor like the HP 8920A/8920B/8921/8924/8935/E8285 (all pretty much the same thing). You get an RF generator, RF power meter, RX frequen

Re: [time-nuts] Modified Total Deviation calculation

2010-01-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
help I can get! (I'm not a natural programmer, and C has always been challenging for me.) John Magnus Danielson wrote: John Ackermann N8UR wrote: I see the makings of a great project here... a standard set of routines for time/frequency/stability statistics. My only request is to

Re: [time-nuts] Modified Total Deviation calculation

2010-01-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I see the makings of a great project here... a standard set of routines for time/frequency/stability statistics. My only request is to code unobfuscatedly (sp?) to make translation into other languages easier (e.g., I'd love a perl module with these functions, but am a complete schmoe at figur

Re: [time-nuts] RFG-RB Crystal Filter

2010-01-16 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
IIRC, the 15 MHz was derived from a divide-by-2 to get a 5 MHz square wave, then selecting the 3rd harmonic via the filter. John Bob Camp said the following on 01/16/2010 12:40 PM: Hi U3 looks like it's at the output of the filter. U4A seems to be the power stage that then drives the o

[time-nuts] December FMT results available

2010-01-16 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The deadline for submitting measurements in the December 2009 Midwest VHF/UHF Society Frequency Measuring Test has now past, so the measured frequencies with some back-up material have been posted at http://www.febo.com/pages/mvus-fmt/Dec2009/results.html The page is a work in process, but all

Re: [time-nuts] Newbie questions

2010-01-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Bob Camp wrote: Hi I have a pile of 5334's in the shed. I'm getting the itch to pull them out and see what they can do. I've always looked down on them a bit, since 5335's were always available for what I needed to do. I've always liked the 5334s for both general bench use, and as TICs where

Re: [time-nuts] Newbie questions

2010-01-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Duckworth said the following on 01/05/2010 09:10 PM: Warren- No, a 100% error would be 40 GHz. Where did you get 40.4 GHz? That would be 101% and of course 80 GHz is 200%. Bruce- Of course you are right about the + symbol for 40.000 000 003 GHz (+7.5 parts in 1E-11) but what would you cons

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise vs warmup or time

2009-12-29 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Van Baak said the following on 12/29/2009 04:24 PM: But, depending on the equipment you use, a phase noise measurement (e.g., script L of f) doesn't require the source to be long-term stable; you get pretty much the same phase noise results in the first minute as you would a day or week late

[time-nuts] Reminder -- MVUS Frequency Measuring Test begins 1500 UTC Monday

2009-12-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
We're all set for the FMT beginning at 1500 UTC tomorrow. A couple of minor changes from the earlier announcement: * The 80M frequency will be around 3583 kHz, not 3577. * The 2M frequency (within 50 Hz) will be 144.2743 MHz. * We'll have a little more power on HF than we thought -- about 15 wa

Re: [time-nuts] Cheap Rubidium

2009-12-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Lux, Jim (337C) said the following on 12/23/2009 03:17 PM: Typical (Cassini, MGS, etc., data from Sami Asmar) UltraStableOscillator (USO) specs as used in spaceflight do about 1E-13 at tau =10 to 1000 seconds, 3E-13 at 1 second. Today, you can probably do maybe an order of magnitude better.

[time-nuts] Reminder -- Holiday Season FMT

2009-12-18 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Just a reminder about the Frequency Measuring Test my group is going to hold on Dec. 28-30. If you're in the vicinity of Dayton, Ohio, we'll also be putting out a signal on the 2M VHF band as well as the three HF bands. The 2M signal will be in the vicinity of 144.040 MHz. If you're interest

Re: [time-nuts] Chooses for a desktop/server NTP external 1PPSreference

2009-12-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Even though I finally got the actual ribbon cable used to interconnect the -XO and -RB boxes, I was never able to get mine to actually act as though it was disciplined. I suspect that either the XO or the Rb free-run frequency was far enough off that it never locked up, but I ran out of time (

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I did something similar to my HP 5065A Rb standard, which had a 10811A and a small plug-in card that was a digital IC doing a divide by two followed by a simple LC filter. I picked off the signal right at the chip input with a small cap and a piece of RG-174 that went to a buffer amplifier (I

Re: [time-nuts] Bliley 100Mhz oscillator pinout

2009-12-01 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I have the data sheet here: http://www.febo.com/pages/oscillators/100_MHz_Data_Sheets/ John Corby Dawson wrote: I bought a couple Bliley 100Mhz oscillators about a year ago, part # NV26R891. Now that I want to use them I can't find the pinout to identify which pins are the EFC and power

Re: [time-nuts] FTs 9110/120 accelerometer

2009-11-29 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Corby -- Here's what the documentation for Option 120 on the FTS 4XXX series cesiums says: "Option 120 adds an accelerometer control to reduce the sensitivity of the cesium standard against external vibrations in the range of about 0.1 Hz to several hundred Hz. The reduction achieved is more

[time-nuts] Ham Radio Frequency Measuring Test - Dec. 28-30

2009-11-25 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
For those interested in HF radio frequency and propagation measurement, here is an announcement about a test transmission my local group in Dayton, Ohio is going to run over the holidays. More details below, but in short we're going to put out a low power (about 5 watts) signal on three HF ham

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Spectrum Analyzer

2009-10-31 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Since Jim opened the door, I should mention that one of the projects underway for the High Performance SDR group (http://www.openhpsdr.org) is "Cyclops" which works with the existing HPSDR Mercury receiver board to provide a DC - 1 GHz spectrum analyzer and tracking generator. Not sure when it

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Spectrum Analyzer

2009-10-31 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The HP8569 is a good moderate-price choice that goes up to 18GHz. It's new enough to have digital display, so you can do trace math like normalization, and dump plots via GPIB. However, you cannot set commands via GPIB. The LO is stabilized (not synthesized) so frequency accuracy isn't too b

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 1 pps divider?

2009-10-27 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Check out the TADD-2 which does just that -- http://www.tapr.org/kits_tadd-2.html John Marco IK1ODO said the following on 10/27/2009 03:40 PM: Anyone knows of a commercially available 10 MHz -> 1pps divider chain, built or in kit form? I know that it may be very simple or not, depending f

Re: [time-nuts] Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal counter

2009-10-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'd be (happily) surprised if the NI libraries recognized Agilent devices. I think they only support their own cards though. There could also be a problem if you have both Agilent and NI support libraries installed. I ran into this on Linux when I tried to install the NI-provided drivers and

Re: [time-nuts] Getting GPIB to work on HP5382B Universal

2009-10-13 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
If you're not tied to Windows, I've written scripts in Perl under Linux to get time and frequency data out of several HP counters (though not the 5382). There is an open-source set of drivers and interface libraries called "linux-gpib" that support virtually all GPIB cards and USB dongles, and

Re: [time-nuts] Why would I want a rubidium

2009-10-05 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Here's a reason why you might "want" (as opposed to "need"!) another standard beyond the GPSDO. An Rb or Cs is self-contained. The GPSDO relies on an external factor, the presence of GPS. Holdover mode may be good to keep thing close for a while, but over the long term the GPSDO without GPS

Re: [time-nuts] TADD-1 Documentation Error

2009-09-18 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'm leaving this response on the list since others might be interested. The TADD-1 is back in stock at the TAPR office and I'm sure John is working on catching up with back orders. However, he is currently en route to Chicago for the upcoming TAPR/ARRL Digital Communications Conference, so th

Re: [time-nuts] PLL question

2009-08-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
There hasn't been much discussion on the list about this idea. I know that Timing Solutions (now Symmetricom) used to make -- or at least advertise -- a "clean-up oscillator" that was a very low noise, very high short-term stability BVA oscillator that would lock to your Cesium reference. Wit

Re: [time-nuts] Multiple Voltage monitoring (Matt Ettus)

2009-07-31 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Marc Bury wrote: Hi Matt, A Hewlet Packard 3421A (Data acquisition unit) with option 20 (10 channel multiplexer) and GPIB would fit your need withour emptying your wallet. I can vouch for the 3421A -- nice, inexpensive box that is low power and fairly painless to program. There are other HP

Re: [time-nuts] AC cord or connector for 5061A

2009-07-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I got some from Digi-key a year or so ago. Unfortunately, I don't recall the DK part number, but I recall I had to do a cross-reference from the Cannon part number to another manufacturer (I think AMP) and that's what DK had. John J. L. Trantham said the following on 07/18/2009 11:58 PM

[time-nuts] Administrivia: why your time-nuts posting was rejected

2009-07-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I'm getting another flurry of messages from folks questioning why they can't post to the list. An example of the error message is below. When you get this message, it is almost invariably for one reason: you are posting from an address that is not subscribed to the list. This often results

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 crystal orientation

2009-07-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I think several of us have an HP document on-line that explains at least a bunch of the various models. My copy is at http://www.febo.com/pages/hp10811/HP10811-Specs.pdf John Dave M said the following on 07/08/2009 08:02 PM: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:27 AM, iov...@inwind.it wrote: > D

[time-nuts] Administrivia: Keep it on topic, please!

2009-07-08 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
We have had several lengthy discussions lately that have ended up totally removed from precision time and frequency measurement (plumbing, anyone?). While a lot of us may find these threads interesting, please keep in mind that the list has over 800 subscribers now, and that time-nuts is adve

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB-USB vs. GPIB-LAN vs. NI was: AW: Prologix GPIB-USB vs. GPIB-LAN

2009-07-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
A bit further to Ulrich's point... one area where I had some problems using serial/gpib converters in the old days, and I think that at least early versions of the Prologix USB unit suffered from, is talking to multiple instruments off the same GPIB controller. I never found a satisfactory way

Re: [time-nuts] Plug and play GPSDOs was:(no subject)

2009-06-30 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
For really good adapters, I've had good luck with S.M. Electronics (http://www.smelectronicsllc.com). They are pricey -- like $24-$36 each for 18 GHz stainless N-to-something adapters, but I think on the whole cheaper than Pasternack, and they often stock several grades (with specified frequen

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I took a look at the phase noise of a 3325B and as Jim said, the phase noise is not great -- about -60 dBc at 1 Hz offset. An external reference cleans up the close in (<10 Hz) signal, but beyond about 10 Hz the synthesizer noice drowns out the reference; from the noise from 10 Hz to about 3 k

Re: [time-nuts] HP/Agilent 5335A

2009-06-01 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Yeah, I guess they really are 2U, but they're still thinner than the other HP counters. John Hal Murray wrote: Also, don't underestimate the 5334 counters. They are very capable, though they don't have all the math and statistics functions of the '35, they are only 1U in height *and have

Re: [time-nuts] What type of Crystal?

2009-06-01 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Ed Palmer wrote: By the way, I had a message disappear a week or so ago. I wonder what's going on? I'm not aware of any issues with the mail list system, but incoming messages do go through a spam and antivirus filter, so it's possible that some messages get caught in that. The filtering s

Re: [time-nuts] HP/Agilent 5335A

2009-06-01 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I picked up a really nice one with 10811A at the Dayton Hamvention for $125, which was probably too good to be repeatable. Last year a friend picked up three non-working but repairable for <$100 each. Probably anything under $250 for a working unit isn't a bad deal. Also, don't underestimate

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more....

2009-05-30 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Van Baak said the following on 05/30/2009 03:44 PM: ... as long as you remember to use TI+/- mode. For stuff like this I use plain old TI mode and just set the UUT 1pps to lag the reference 1pps by a fraction of a second, or maybe even just a couple of microseconds. That way you get a sma

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TADD-2 PIC frequency divider

2009-05-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
www works here, but we've had some other similar reports so there may be some DNS strangeness. Thanks for letting me know, and I'll look into it. John Didier said the following on 05/23/2009 02:14 PM: Actually, www.tapr.org is not there, tapr.org is... Didier KO4BB -Original Mes

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TADD-2 PIC frequency divider

2009-05-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Ackermann N8UR Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 6:12 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TADD-2 PIC frequency divider The code is available at http://www.tapr.org/~n8ur/PIC_Code in both source and object form. The "03-2009" version i

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TADD-2 PIC frequency divider

2009-05-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Magnus Danielson said the following on 05/23/2009 07:45 AM: Since the TADD enclosure has two DB-9 cutouts, one nice option (which I haven't tried yet) would be to wire the LED, the 5/10 MHz jumper, and the ARM switch connections to a DB-9 and mount that in the enclosure, then mount the LEDs an

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TADD-2 PIC frequency divider

2009-05-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The code is available at http://www.tapr.org/~n8ur/PIC_Code in both source and object form. The "03-2009" version is what is shipping on the current TADD-2s. The "04-2009" version is a slight update from Richard McCorkle that changes the way the ARM and SYNC LEDs work, and also allows selecti

Re: [time-nuts] TAPR TADD-2 PIC frequency divider

2009-05-23 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Magnus, thanks for the nice comments! Regarding the case, yes, the form factor generally matches the TADD enclosure, but since that's a generic box we couldn't do much about the LEDs or the ARM switch. My thinking was that the LEDs could be mounted off-board if necessary, and I'll update the

[time-nuts] Announcement: TAPR TADD-2 PPS Divider Board Now Available

2009-04-21 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
The TADD-2 divider is now available for purchase from TAPR. The TADD-2 accepts a 5 or 10 MHz input signal and generates 1 PPS outputs (as well as other pulse rates). It has six low-impedance output channels, each of which can be individually configured, and has a sync circuit that allows the

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