Re: [time-nuts] Multiple Voltage monitoring

2009-07-31 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
The $25 widget from Dataq. 4 channels, 10 bits, serial port http://www.dataq.com/products/startkit/di194rs.htm They have others. I've also used the Eval boards from Maxim or Nat Semi, but these day's they're usually USB. Sometimes, the protocol isn't published, but is trivially reverse engine

Re: [time-nuts] Posting style Was: looking for good description/generalized model for time adjustments

2009-07-29 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
Test of quoting of responses.. This looks better, at least from here.. James Lux, P.E. Task Manager, SOMD Software Defined Radios Flight Communications Systems Section Jet Propulsion Laboratory 4800 Oak Grove Drive, Mail Stop 161-213 Pasadena, CA, 91109 +1(818)354-2075 phone +1(818)393-6875 fax

Re: [time-nuts] Posting style Was: looking for good description/generalized model for time adjustments

2009-07-29 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
discussion, and you certainly have the right to do as you choose, but I would ask, that at minimum, you don't put chevrons in front of your new reply lines when you respond to previous messages. -Rex Lux, James P (337C) wrote: >-Original Message- >From: time-nuts-

Re: [time-nuts] looking for good description/generalized model for time adjustments

2009-07-29 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Hal Murray Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 2:51 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] looking for good description/generalized model for tim

Re: [time-nuts] looking for good description/generalized model for time adjustments

2009-07-29 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Christian Vogel Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:51 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] looking for good description/generalized model for

Re: [time-nuts] looking for good description/generalized model for time adjustments

2009-07-29 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Hal Murray Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:45 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] looking for good description/generalized model for time

Re: [time-nuts] looking for good description/generalized model for time adjustments

2009-07-29 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:19 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] looking for good description/generalized model for tim

[time-nuts] looking for good description/generalized model for time adjustments

2009-07-29 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
I'm looking for a good (short) description and/or a generalized model for relating a local time counter to some external reference. Here's the scenario.. A computer has a local clock that is a counter being driven by a local oscillator. Periodically, we get "time updates" from some outside sour

Re: [time-nuts] What's the cleanest way to produce 1 and 5 MHz from10 MHz?

2009-07-28 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Richard W. Solomon Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:21 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] What's the cleanest way to produce 1 and 5 MHz fro

Re: [time-nuts] What's the cleanest way to produce 1 and 5 MHz from10 MHz?

2009-07-28 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
On 7/28/09 4:47 AM, "J. L. Trantham" wrote: > If you want a 'vintage' solution, the HP 5087A can be configured to take a > single 5 or 10 MHz and divide/multiply it to 10 MHz, 5 MHz, 1 MHz and even > 0.1 MHz then feed that to various output amplifiers of 10, 5, 1 or 0.1 for > up to 12 total ou

Re: [time-nuts] Position accuracy to improve Thunderbolt performance

2009-07-27 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Brooke Clarke Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 7:04 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Position accuracy to improve Thunderbolt performance Hi Warren: I've found Google

Re: [time-nuts] adjustable gain/offset amplifiers

2009-07-24 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Robert Atkinson Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 12:55 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] adjustable gain/offset amplifiers I have an EG&G (No

Re: [time-nuts] adjustable gain/offset amplifiers

2009-07-24 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 11:35 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] adjustable gain/offset amplifiers Hi Jim, A couple of th

[time-nuts] adjustable gain/offset amplifiers

2009-07-24 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
I'm looking for some amplifiers with adjustable gain (say from 0 to 5) and offset (say +/- 5V) for general benchtop use (e.g. you have some widget you want to test as a replacement, but the original device had different input ranges, and before you go redesign the rest of the circuit..) with at

Re: [time-nuts] Phase shifter circuit for DTMD

2009-07-24 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
On 7/24/09 6:32 AM, "Stephan Sandenbergh" wrote: > Hi, > Many sources and papers refer to the actual DMTD mixer system (and > zero-crossing detector etc.). But, I've seen very little on the phase > shifter circuits, that are used in conjunction with this system. > > I was hoping some of you m

Re: [time-nuts] Tbolt not talking

2009-07-22 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
Hey Chuck, I just learnt a new word: Gonzo :-) I has a nice feel to it -- out of interest do you have the etymology? I assume of US/Mexican origin? Does it have any implied meaning other than that which I inferred: i.e. idiotic? See: Hunter S. Thompson, "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" >Fro

Re: [time-nuts] Where does 28V come from?

2009-07-21 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:45 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Where does 28V come from? In message <768062.16062

Re: [time-nuts] US ebay sellers who won't ship outside the US

2009-07-16 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
The issue of returning equipment for repair is a significant concern. Unless you have the appropriate licenses both ways.. Company A in Germany, say, ships a widget to company B in the US, all nicely approved by whoever in Germany (maybe they didn't even need a license). Widget breaks and Company

Re: [time-nuts] US ebay sellers who won't ship outside the US

2009-07-16 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
S In message , "Lux, James P (337C)" writ es: >ITAR and EAR are complex and[...] Actually, the Vasenaar Convention made all that a lot simpler. --- Not that much simpler.. You still have the Basic List and Munitions list, and the terms on the list are vague enough that there&#

Re: [time-nuts] US ebay sellers who won't ship outside the US

2009-07-16 Thread Lux, James P (337C)
On 7/16/09 12:38 AM, "Jim Palfreyman" wrote: > Don't forget books are not covered under ITAR. > > That's how the original PGP got distributed legally. > > Jim > > 2009/7/16 Robert Atkinson > Not without some hassles for Phil Zimmerman (although it was ostensibly the distribution of PGP o

Re: [time-nuts] [Fwd: Accurate Thunderbolt position]

2009-07-15 Thread Lux, James P
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:54 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] [Fwd: Accurate Thunderbolt position] "Mark Sims" wrote: >> >> My Ashtech Z12 system has

Re: [time-nuts] Accurate Thunderbolt position

2009-07-14 Thread Lux, James P
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Brooke Clarke Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:56 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Accurate Thunderbolt position Hi Mark: 0.1 degree

Re: [time-nuts] surplus carrier phase measurement-capable receivers (was Thunderbolt firmware differences)

2009-07-13 Thread Lux, James P
On 7/13/09 1:59 AM, "b...@lysator.liu.se" wrote: > > >> What typically-available surplus receivers do carrier phase >> measurements[1]? I'm close to putting up a choke ring antenna I scored >> off of the surplus market on the roof -- I don't think the wife is going >> to let me build a pro

[time-nuts] Conduit thread RE: OT Euro/US plumbing was 14 tpi UNS die

2009-07-07 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Joseph M Gwinn > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:21 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Su > > The relevant US pipe-thread standards are quite clear - >

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB-USB vs. GPIB-LAN vs. NI was: AW: Prologix GPIB-USB vs. GPIB-LAN

2009-07-06 Thread Lux, James P
On 7/6/09 5:37 AM, "John Ackermann N8UR" wrote: > > Of course, an alternative is to assign one USB or LAN GPIB unit to each > instrument, but that gets expensive. > Yes, if you're scrounging old test equipment for $100 a copy. If you have chunks of gear that cost $10K each, then $100-200

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB-USB vs. GPIB-LAN

2009-07-04 Thread Lux, James P
On 7/4/09 8:36 PM, "Robert Darlington" wrote: > I have a GPIB-LAN, and it works. You basically telnet to it and issue > commands either manually or via software. It works with EZ-GPIB without any > trouble. It's extremely easy to use. > > That being said, it is not a substitute for a GPIB

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB-USB vs. GPIB-LAN

2009-07-04 Thread Lux, James P
On 7/4/09 7:43 PM, "Chad Simpson" wrote: > Hello all, this is my first post to the list... > > Like many of you, over time I've acquired enough test equipment with the > GPIB interface that I'm wanting to make use of it. I have narrowed the > choice down to one of the Prologix devices (GPIB-

Re: [time-nuts] Broken Ovenaire OSC 85-50 - crystal failure ?

2009-07-04 Thread Lux, James P
On 7/4/09 1:49 PM, "Hal Murray" wrote: > > >> I've not attempted to butcher a capsule open to determine the cause - >> this to my mind is bordering on the sacrilegious but if given >> absolution from another TimeNut, I may attempt it and photograph the >> results ... > > What have you got t

Re: [time-nuts] Google Patent Search is Broken

2009-07-01 Thread Lux, James P
http://www.uspto.gov has a pretty good search engine for US patents (with images, if you load the AlternaTiff plugin) > >   > Try http://ep.espacenet.com/  It's an offical  european  > site that > >   > also searches  US and World Patents. Very flexible  > search options > >   > and no registra

Re: [time-nuts] Plug and play GPSDOs was:(no subject)

2009-06-30 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of gandal...@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:48 PM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Plug and play GPSDOs was:(no subject) > > - > Something like thi

Re: [time-nuts] Plug and play GPSDOs was:(no subject)

2009-06-30 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sims > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:32 PM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts] Plug and play GPSDOs was:(no subject) > > > Yes, you can just leave the unit runnin

Re: [time-nuts] Plug and play GPSDOs was:(no subject)

2009-06-30 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of John Ackermann N8UR > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:40 AM > To: les...@veenstras.com; Discussion of precise time and > frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Plug and pl

Re: [time-nuts] Orbiting crystals

2009-06-29 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: Lester Veenstra [mailto:m0...@veenstras.com] > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:22 AM > To: Lux, James P; les...@veenstras.com; 'Discussion of > precise timeand frequency measurement' > Subject: RE: [time-nuts] Orbiting crystals >

Re: [time-nuts] Orbiting crystals

2009-06-28 Thread Lux, James P
Isn¹t Inmarsat in a Clarke Orbit? If the propagation path for the solar eclipse shadow experiment runs through the eclipse with the path from Clarke orbit to you, then there's tons of signals available to look at. On 6/28/09 10:48 PM, "Lester Veenstra" wrote: > INMARSATS Look at tracking bea

Re: [time-nuts] Orbiting crystals

2009-06-28 Thread Lux, James P
On 6/28/09 4:35 PM, "Magnus Danielson" wrote: > iov...@inwind.it wrote: >> James Lux wrote: >> >>> Ah.. That's easy.. Pretty much every satellite in orbit derives its transmit >>> frequency from a crystal oscillator, either a TCXO or a OCXO. So all you >>> have to do is pick a LEO satellite

Re: [time-nuts] Orbiting crystals

2009-06-28 Thread Lux, James P
On 6/28/09 3:23 PM, "iov...@inwind.it" wrote: > James Lux wrote: > >> Ah.. That's easy.. Pretty much every satellite in orbit derives its transmit >> frequency from a crystal oscillator, either a TCXO or a OCXO. So all you >> have to do is pick a LEO satellite that is easy to receive and mea

Re: [time-nuts] Orbiting crystals

2009-06-28 Thread Lux, James P
On 6/28/09 2:59 AM, "iov...@inwind.it" wrote: > Thanks all. > > Let's explain why I would like to look at orbiting crystals. > > Making experiments during eclipses would almost always mean > that a measuring instrument should be put in the eclipse path. > This is not always possible, or at l

Re: [time-nuts] Ideas for a long-wave receiver sought

2009-06-22 Thread Lux, James P
200kHz is a bit tricky for the top end.. That probably puts the standard music recording A/D out of the picture (although they have very high performance A/Ds in them, and because of large production volume, they're relatively inexpensive). Almost any PC these days has enough processor to take

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread Lux, James P
On 6/19/09 6:38 AM, "optoma...@rogers.com" wrote: > Hey Robert > > Great tip about the attenuator. > > I looked up some models on the internet and some look fairly expensive. > I know that I will always be injecting low voltage signals, do you think > it would be wise to buy a cheaper fixed

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread Lux, James P
We use a lot of 3325As in the lab at JPL (they used to have dozens of them at the deep space network, so there are lots of them around). Some have the rear panel option that puts out a sine wave up to 60MHz, which is fairly convenient. The settability with lots o' digits is nice (that's why they

Re: [time-nuts] OT favorite signal generator?

2009-06-19 Thread Lux, James P
How accurate? What frequency range? What spectral performance (harmonics, spurs)? One thing to watch out for on testing with very low level signals is leakage out of the signal generator and into the unit under test via a path other than the coax. When we test deep space transponders at work at

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature

2009-06-16 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of gandal...@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:20 PM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature > > > In a message dated

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature

2009-06-16 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:05 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient tempera

[time-nuts] Pre-industrial timekeeping accuracy RE: Lifetime of glass containers

2009-06-15 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:34 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lifetime of glass containers > > Interestingly

Re: [time-nuts] Lifetime of glass containers

2009-06-15 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:57 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lifetime of glass containers > > Not to char

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature

2009-06-13 Thread Lux, James P
On 6/13/09 10:16 AM, "Thomas A. Frank" wrote: >>> I just don't know what to say to that! Even a child can put a >>> case of bottled water in a box, and not have it evaporate or leak. >>> I would venture that said case of bottled water will still be full >>> up when the child graduates from co

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature

2009-06-10 Thread Lux, James P
Vintage port is more traditional substance... -Original Message- From: "Chuck Harris" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: 6/10/09 16:45 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature Joseph M Gwinn wrote: ... >> Yes, but water is so

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature

2009-06-10 Thread Lux, James P
> > I read somewhere the suggestion to take the cast iron block > from an old automobile engine and put it in a heavy insulated > wooden cabinet: ~250 Kg of iron in an insulated box. Cracked > blocks are useless in an engine, and so are available in > junkyards quite cheap. > > Joe Gwinn >

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt stability and ambient temperature

2009-06-10 Thread Lux, James P
On 6/10/09 1:15 AM, "Magnus Danielson" wrote: > > > Nobody having a thermal inductive material around? That would be very > usefull to handle temperature shifts. Let's see.. If heat flow (watts) is the analog of current (Amps), and delta T is the analog of voltage, what would a thermal induc

Re: [time-nuts] Sound Cards for locking to GPSDO 10 MHz references

2009-06-02 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Rex Moncur > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:06 PM > To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Sound Cards for locking to GPSDO 10 > MHz re

Re: [time-nuts] Sound Cards for locking to GPSDO 10 MHz references

2009-06-02 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 10:08 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Sound Cards for locking to GPSDO 10 > M

Re: [time-nuts] Sound Cards for locking to GPSDO 10 MHz references

2009-06-01 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Rex Moncur > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:00 PM > To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' > Subject: [time-nuts] Sound Cards for locking to GPSDO 10 MHz > refere

Re: [time-nuts] PCI IRIG receiver card for AIX?

2009-05-27 Thread Lux, James P
Symmetricom bc635pci-V2 or -U? PCI-SG 2U (some of the old TrueTime products, I'm sure) It does IRIG... You'll have to call Symmetricom to see about drivers.. It has Win, Linux, and Solaris. On 5/27/09 7:26 PM, "Joe Gwinn" wrote: Does anybody know of any PCI cards that will receive IRIG-B tim

Re: [time-nuts] Time Signals on TV signals

2009-05-25 Thread Lux, James P
I think you're talking about the VITC, which is on lines 19 and 20 (so you get it on both fields with interlacing). VITC carries hour/minute/second/frame (same as LTC), but I don't know if it's "program time" (since start of program) or "real time). There's a bunch of flavors of vertical interv

Re: [time-nuts] Time Signals on TV signals

2009-05-25 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/25/09 9:52 AM, "Bill Hawkins" wrote: > Aficionados of accurate time, > > I have two Panasonic DVD TV recorders, a DMR-EZ27 and 28. They were set to > automatically sync time to a TV station. This worked fine until a few months > ago. Now they are on manual time, but, of course, they drif

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Minix-III?

2009-05-24 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/24/09 11:13 AM, "Hal Murray" wrote: > > >> Also, someone I was discussing this with at work reminded me of a >> common problem. We often run tests in a testbed where we need to have >> the entire testbed running at some time *not the actual time*.. E.g. >> If you're simulating a Mars e

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Minix-III?

2009-05-24 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/24/09 8:32 AM, "Bob Paddock" wrote: >> A 33.31 format would buy us a century, still allow us to get >> nanoseconds right, but it be computationally inconvenient and >> looks messy, so people balk at it. > > Anything wrong with TAI64NA? > > http://cr.yp.to/libtai.html > > "libtai is a l

[time-nuts] 8662 question Re: 5070B once more.... (actually 5370A fans)

2009-05-22 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/22/09 10:39 AM, "Rick Karlquist" wrote: Considering Other than that, there is really no way a transformer can > fail. Another thing is that if any fan were used, it would raise > the issue of microphonics in the 10811 oscillator, which is a serious > issue in the 8662A signal generato

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually 5370A fans)

2009-05-21 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Richard > (Rick) Karlquist > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:26 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more (actually

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually 5370A fans)

2009-05-20 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/20/09 9:18 AM, "Roy Phillips" wrote: > Mark > Thanks for your comments. I suspect that there was a period when the "Papst" > fan was the de facto standard in many equipments, it has considerable depth > and obviously moves a lot of air. There is no real correlation between noise level an

Re: [time-nuts] Msg to N.Z. time nuts

2009-05-19 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/19/09 1:15 PM, "Russell Rezaian" wrote: > At 12:58 PM -0700 2009/05/19, Hal Murray wrote: >> USB has a bad reputation, but I think it's way way overblown. Yes, it's >> polled, but that polling is done in hardware and the time scale is 1 ms. If >> you are satisfied with an accuracy of a

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Minix-III?

2009-05-18 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/18/09 6:18 AM, "Lux, James P" wrote: > > > > > On 5/18/09 1:12 AM, "Hal Murray" wrote: > >> >> >> stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com said: >>> I need to go back and read what you are trying to measure with your >>>

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Minix-III?

2009-05-18 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/18/09 1:12 AM, "Hal Murray" wrote: > > > stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com said: >> I need to go back and read what you are trying to measure with your >> clock. Is it internal to the computer or an external event ? > > I was thinking of a FPGA on a PCI bus. It has to be PCI rather than USB

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Minix-III?

2009-05-17 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/17/09 9:24 AM, "Hal Murray" wrote: > > >> In which case, if you're saddled with 32 bit (or 8 bit!) reads, you >> have to do multiple reads, so that by the end of the process, you can >> assure yourself it's consistent. > >> E.g read high, read low, read high, read low So you can check

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Minix-III?

2009-05-17 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/16/09 10:00 PM, "Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote: > In message <20090517031525.292e7b...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net>, Hal > Murr > ay writes: > >> This is one of the reasons why I was looking for a low-cost FPGA on PCI board >> with some way to get a couple of external inputs. >> >> Thing

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Minix-III?

2009-05-16 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/16/09 4:32 PM, "Chuck Harris" wrote: > Lux, James P wrote: > >>> I don't believe that will be happening in a message passing microkernel >>> (like minix) anytime soon... unless you build all of the timekeeping >>> software into the ker

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Minix-III?

2009-05-16 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/16/09 4:30 PM, "Chuck Harris" wrote: > Lux, James P wrote: > >> >> I think there is more use of microkernels (eCos, RTEMS, Erlang, etc.) in the >> embedded world. The environment is more constrained, so reducing the >> footprint is useful. &g

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Minix-III?

2009-05-16 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/16/09 1:43 PM, "Chuck Harris" wrote: > Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> I have no idea how the timing code is in minix3, but I do know >> how much time it took me and subsequently Warner to get it right >> and good in FreeBSD. > > Given that minix was written by a CS professor who has no

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Minix-III?

2009-05-16 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/16/09 8:04 AM, "Chuck Harris" wrote: > Bob Paddock wrote: >> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: > >> >>> Why do you think Minix-III would be a good candidate for a time server? >> >> Minix-III is based on the microkernel approach of keeping things small and >> fast. >

Re: [time-nuts] GPS->audio interface

2009-05-10 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/10/09 4:26 PM, "Magnus Danielson" wrote: > Lux, James P skrev: >> >> >> On 5/10/09 12:15 PM, "Brooke Clarke" wrote: >> >>> Hi James: >>> >>> You might want to get a KIWI-OSD, Video overlay of GPS precision tim

Re: [time-nuts] GPS->audio interface

2009-05-10 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/10/09 12:15 PM, "Brooke Clarke" wrote: > Hi James: > > You might want to get a KIWI-OSD, Video overlay of GPS precision time > stamp. It adds HH:MM:SS FF at the bottom of the image and > so can be seen in every field. They have also developed a way to > calibrate the came

Re: [time-nuts] GPS->audio interface

2009-05-10 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/10/09 12:10 PM, "Hal Murray" wrote: > > >> As a model for what they're trying to do, say you were going to >> measure the acceleration due to gravity by videotaping a falling >> object against a scale in the background. Except that the motion is >> more complex.. Maybe imagine putting a

Re: [time-nuts] GPS->audio interface

2009-05-10 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/10/09 11:21 AM, "Magnus Danielson" wrote: > Lux, James P skrev: >> I'm looking for a way to take GPS time and generate a signal that can >> be recorded on the audio track of a video recording to time stamp it. >> This is so it can be aligned with

[time-nuts] GPS->audio interface

2009-05-10 Thread Lux, James P
I'm looking for a way to take GPS time and generate a signal that can be recorded on the audio track of a video recording to time stamp it. This is so it can be aligned with other data that's collected with GPS based time. It needs to be portable/small (i.e. Something you could attach to a smal

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Divider

2009-04-02 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Griffiths > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:00 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Divider > > Hal Murray wrot

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Divider

2009-04-02 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Griffiths > Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:53 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Divider > > Hal Murray wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Advanced Crystal Oscillator Design By Benjaminson

2009-03-26 Thread Lux, James P
Try http://www.dtic.mil/ rather than NTIS. James Lux, P.E. Task Manager, SOMD Software Defined Radios Flight Communications Systems Section Jet Propulsion Laboratory 4800 Oak Grove Drive, Mail Stop 161-213 Pasadena, CA, 91109 +1(818)354-2075 phone +1(818)393-6875 fax > -Original Message--

Re: [time-nuts] GPS IIR-20 Launched

2009-03-24 Thread Lux, James P
> Ah, stakeholders, what's the definition of a stakeholder? The dead vampire. > > Like you say, can I sign up for, and then only pay for, the > bronze standard, if that is all I really need? > I believe Galileo has a "pay for performance" model as part of their public/private partnership.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS IIR-20 Launched

2009-03-24 Thread Lux, James P
> > I see that jargon and a combination of business and space > 'speak' is still something that goes on. > > For instance is "a unified Delta II and GPS team that > sustained a laser focus on mission success" just two groups > who worked together to make sure that the 'stuff' worked? A mana

Re: [time-nuts] French Time offset

2009-03-18 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:11 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] French Time offset

Re: [time-nuts] French Time offset

2009-03-18 Thread Lux, James P
> > Actually, there this paper: > > http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/seago.pdf > > says that the delta was 9 minutes and 20 seconds (see page > 10) Historic Universal Time (GMT) in France. > > Warner > 9 min 20 sec = 9.333 mins = 0.155 hours = 2.33 degrees of longitude = 2 deg 20 min l

Re: [time-nuts] French Time offset

2009-03-18 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Michael Sokolov > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:56 AM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] French Time offset > > "Lux, James

Re: [time-nuts] French Time offset

2009-03-18 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Louis Oneto > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:14 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] French Time offset > > BIPM is an _i

Re: [time-nuts] French Time offset

2009-03-18 Thread Lux, James P
On 3/17/09 10:35 PM, "Rich and Marcia Putz" wrote: > Thanks John, yes I'm real. > The 1978 date is correct, I'm looking for the article to quote. Prior to the > decree, France maintained a roughly twelve and a half minute offset. I always > was struck by this as the BIPM is located in France,

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Lux, James P
mechanical watch. > > Ralph > > On Tue, March 17, 2009 9:06 am, Lux, James P wrote: > > The latter is probably because air traffic control is > basically done > > at a resolution of 1 minute (e.g. "Hold at SADLE > intersection, expect > > release at 32[minu

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-17 Thread Lux, James P
On 3/17/09 5:58 AM, "Arnold Tibus" wrote: > Interesting facts: > The GPS navigation system has GPS Time as its basis. Galileo > will have TAI as its basis. GLONASS has UTC as its basis, > Air traffic controllers are using UTC. > The latter is probably because air traffic control is basically

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks

2009-03-16 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hawkins > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:33 PM > To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C & French Clocks > > According to

Re: [time-nuts] Shrinking Atomic Clocks

2009-03-15 Thread Lux, James P
On 3/15/09 2:46 PM, "Thomas A. Frank" wrote: > Time to shrink the atomic clock > > 14 March 2009 by Anil Ananthaswamy > Magazine issue 2699. Subscribe and get 4 free issues. > ATOMIC clocks, currently the size of fridges, could shrink to the > microscale thanks to a new way of measuring the s

Re: [time-nuts] Reverse isolation

2009-03-08 Thread Lux, James P
6:47 PM, "Don Latham" wrote: > Best isolation is via a piece of fiber optics. > Don > > Bruce Griffiths >> Lux, James P wrote: >>>> Actually, it depends on the distance from the hot carrier, the >>>> amplitude >>>> of the hot carrie

Re: [time-nuts] Reverse isolation

2009-03-08 Thread Lux, James P
> > > Actually, it depends on the distance from the hot carrier, the amplitude > of the hot carrier and the particular VNA in question. My VNA allows me > to change filters as well as integration time. And especially, where is the selectivity in the VNA's receiver? You might have a 10 Hz filte

Re: [time-nuts] GPS disciplined mechanical clocks

2009-03-04 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rooke > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:44 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS disciplined mechanical clocks > > 2009

Re: [time-nuts] Big bang theory

2009-03-04 Thread Lux, James P
A professor of what? Medieval literature Well, you never know -Original Message- From: "Jim Palfreyman" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: 3/4/09 04:38 Subject: [time-nuts] Big bang theory Has anyone here watched Big Bang Theory? I think it's one of t

Re: [time-nuts] Different Thunderbolt versions

2009-02-21 Thread Lux, James P
On 2/21/09 5:20 PM, "Bruce Griffiths" wrote: > Tom Van Baak wrote: >>> For observations at 1420MHz, and short integration times (~ 100sec) the >>> phase error needs to be 100ps or less. >>> For longer integration times (10,000 sec is desirable) and higher >>> frequencies the timing constraints

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt power supply open heart surgery

2009-02-17 Thread Lux, James P
On 2/17/09 2:38 AM, "Neville Michie" wrote: > Hi Jim, > you may have a problem similar to mine. > In Sydney, with a nominal supply voltage of 240 Volts, > the supply at my place is above 250 volts. The supply authority > says that is in the limits of their specification. Typically, limits are

Re: [time-nuts] Canada's 5,000 year old calendar

2009-01-30 Thread Lux, James P
On 1/29/09 5:13 PM, "Magnus Danielson" wrote: > M. Warner Losh skrev: >> In message: <25630a120901291622l5cc165ecna06e01cc3de52...@mail.gmail.com> >> michael taylor writes: >> : An academic maverick is challenging conventional wisdom on Canada's >> : prehistory by claiming an arch

Re: [time-nuts] Home made GPS disciplined atomic clock

2009-01-27 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Esa Heikkinen > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 2:46 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Home made GPS disciplined atomic clock > >

Re: [time-nuts] beryllium oxide

2009-01-16 Thread Lux, James P
On 1/16/09 12:34 PM, "M. Warner Losh" wrote: > But what about the Beryllium Sphere? What happens when you activate > that? > > Warner > The sphere merely provides the power for the Omega 13. That's what gets activated. And now that you mention such things, the Omega 13 has effects that would

Re: [time-nuts] beryllium oxide

2009-01-16 Thread Lux, James P
More realistically, the dangeris dust when something is physically overstressed (dropped, mounting overtightened, thermal shock). That, and if it gets ground up in trash disposal... Say someone throws it in the shredder. -Original Message- From: "Mike S" To: "Discussion of precise time

Re: [time-nuts] WWV / WWVH / WWVB

2009-01-14 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Van Baak > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:58 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WWV / WWVH / WWVB > > > Kind of a shame

Re: [time-nuts] Sound cards

2009-01-13 Thread Lux, James P
> From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Hal Murray > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:24 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Sound cards > > > > I haven't worked with plastic fibers. I'd expect the

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