Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom chip scale atomic clock

2014-04-24 Thread MailLists
What can be read between the lines: The recently acquired cash cow isn't working exactly as expected/advertised. We still don't have a clue when/if the fundamental (as in physics laws) design (we can't officially blame the cheap Chinese manufacturer) flaw will be fixed (manufacturer replaced),

Re: [time-nuts] GPS W/10KHz

2014-02-08 Thread MailLists
You're looking for the older Rockwell/Conexant/Navman Jupiter-T ones. Some default in Motorola binary compatibility mode, with only 8 channels visible. Due to scarcity they are getting way to pricey... You might be better off with the newer uBlox NEO/LEA-6T, with configurable output(s). On 2/8

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt tuning DAC theory of operation

2014-01-05 Thread MailLists
On a later version, the Trimble/Nortel 45k, there are a few obvious HW differences (lousy Rx, bigger FPGA - XC5204, second Flash EEPROM). The PWM is generated differentially (better CMR) in the FPGA (output on pins 12, 13) registered, synchronously with the squared OCXO output signal to reduce j

Re: [time-nuts] SDR Radio Opinion- Next Question

2013-08-06 Thread MailLists
It depends what you mean under "professional"... an individual that pushes buttons for a wage, having no clue about what's actually happening underneath, or an individual that knows his business in, and out? The definition in my book is the second one, and I met many "amateurs" (aka hobbyists, w

Re: [time-nuts] [OT] Re: Heads up: Mark C. Stephens...

2013-08-05 Thread MailLists
ght by GFI, and now landed at Proofpoint. PS: I don't have any problems with not receiving messages. On 8/5/2013 9:34 PM, Paul wrote: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 17:17:37 +0300 From: MailLists While I'll agree on Spamhaus' decent services, SORBS has definitely a very shoddy hi

[time-nuts] [OT] Re: Heads up: Mark C. Stephens...

2013-08-05 Thread MailLists
y yahoo). Windumb, and computer illiterate lusers are the main source of spam/malware dissemination. Blocking SMTP connections except to the own MX (with appropriate filtering before relaying) is current practice. On 8/5/2013 2:46 PM, James Harrison wrote: On 05/08/13 11:42, MailLists wrote: Good

Re: [time-nuts] Heads up: Mark C. Stephens...

2013-08-05 Thread MailLists
Good luck delisting a DNSBL listed IP (block) from those "crusaders"... Back some time there was a piss contest between some of those "blacklists" on which one would blacklist the whole internet faster. In the mean time different "security" providers bought up some of those rabid "blacklists" to

Re: [time-nuts] GPDSO is working

2013-07-14 Thread MailLists
Historically U(S)ARTs had the data signals in positive logic, and the control ones active low - after inversion in the level translators, signals are in "mark" (-12V) condition for an "inactive" interface. The threshold being slightly positive in "modern" EIA-232 receivers, is a "fail-safe" meas

Re: [time-nuts] How dangerous if a Rb lamp broken?

2013-07-09 Thread MailLists
7. RbOs show up on ebay military black market (TM), an ATF sting operation, hugely overpriced... 8. The war on Rb goes on, hunting for the evil terrorists which purchased, and intend to use RbOs. 9. Time-n... err. terrorists get a drone visit, with some Hellfires placed through their chimney

Re: [time-nuts] How dangerous if Rb lamp broken?

2013-07-09 Thread MailLists
In those tough times, since the General Electric reactors melted down at Fukushima, and still spewing lots of radiation after more than two years, a radioactive particle detector is a must have - at least for gamma radiation. As for beta particles, you can try visual detection. If you don't see

Re: [time-nuts] Nortel Trimble thunderbolt

2013-07-06 Thread MailLists
The cable is a straight DTE-DCE one. BR is 9600 (8O1). The yellow LED won't go off until it's communicating with the base station through the rear 110-pin connector. Is it connected to an on board COM or through an USB adapter? On COM1 LH 3.10 starts straight without any command line switches or

Re: [time-nuts] Glonass Payload lost... (Rob Kimberley)

2013-07-02 Thread MailLists
Actually it's a US-Russian private enterprise (ILS) which is driving the modernization (read cost-cuttings) of the Proton-M... as they have the exclusive commercial launch rights. Failures started to add up since 2007. Guantanamo would be more fitting today. On 7/2/2013 7:26 PM, brent evers wr

Re: [time-nuts] Answers to regulator choices comments

2013-06-30 Thread MailLists
At higher (load) currents, thermal, and parasitic resistance effects are getting more prevalent, to the limits of monolithic IC technology. Why don't consider a more classical approach with external pass transistor (a much larger selection available), if a linear regulator is really necessary? A

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb 60 khz tuning fork crystals Some insights

2013-06-27 Thread MailLists
Especially as the inverting gates have independent source and/or drain connections - series resistors can be used to lower even more the consumption when biased in the linear region... On 6/28/2013 7:20 AM, Don Latham wrote: Maybe the old 4007 cmos would be better... Don paul swed Yes it mak

Re: [time-nuts] OT Prototype Boards

2013-06-25 Thread MailLists
That's overstretched... eastern chips worked quite well, similarly to western counterparts. Some faulty prototypes could have been distributed through the black market, but none would've been incorporated in an official product. Even the westerners had bugs... CCCP, and PRL made intel clones, DD

Re: [time-nuts] OT Prototype Boards

2013-06-25 Thread MailLists
In the eastern block the customary pitch was exactly 2.5mm. At least SSSR and DDR ICs were made so. For DIP40s it was a little of a stretch (read pin bending) job to get them fit on .1" spaced boards... On 6/25/2013 5:09 PM, J. Forster wrote: It's not 'industry'. It's the international standar

Re: [time-nuts] HP and other equipment failure

2013-06-16 Thread MailLists
In the classical (transformer -) [bridge] rectifier - storage capacitor configuration, the capacitor charge current is creating short high peaks on the current waveform (and therefor truncate the peaks of the voltage waveform, the distribution circuit resistance being finite), due to the nonlin

Re: [time-nuts] Why are 1PPS signals so skinny?

2012-05-15 Thread MailLists
As most PSs for digital circuitry include a regulator, it's output impedance at 1Hz is low enough to "filter" most out of it - see the load transient response diagram of the used regulator - as the open loop gain of the regulator's internal error amplifier at such a low frequency is practically

Re: [time-nuts] Clocks for Audio gear

2012-05-11 Thread MailLists
Ashihara's tests were with music/voice, taking into account psychoacoustics, for an average group of music savvy listeners, and even music professionals. As uncorrelated jitter is practically raising the noise floor, most of it was masked by the signal, making it more difficult to detect. Benja

Re: [time-nuts] Clocks for Audio gear

2012-05-10 Thread MailLists
Hearing tests showed the ability to discern jitter above a few hundred nanoseconds rms. http://amorgignitamorem.nl/Audio/Jitter/Detection%20threshold%20for%20distortions%20due%20to%20jitter%20on%20digital%20audio%2026_50.pdf Others claim the ability to detect jitter in the picoseconds range...

Re: [time-nuts] Oh dear

2012-05-07 Thread MailLists
at 16 bits to be significant. Modern ADCs are MASH. I don't know the analog to the argument for that technology. -Original Message- From: MailLists Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 19:31:10 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Reply-To: Disc

Re: [time-nuts] Oh dear

2012-05-07 Thread MailLists
If you take into consideration that the best currently available DACs, also true for analog circuits, have a dynamic range about 120-126dB, the last 3-4 bits are quite irrelevant (random noise mostly)... a good 20bit DAC already pushes the limits. The marketingdroids swarming for the newest "32"

Re: [time-nuts] Oh dear

2012-05-07 Thread MailLists
Let's expect the ultimate portable MP3 player with atomic clock reference... >:] Also funny are the offerings with RbO CD-clocks... usually "tweaked" FE-5680s, which are not exactly famous for a clean jitter/spurious free output signal... The only reason is the easiness of output frequency ad

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II ready-made?

2012-04-28 Thread MailLists
ly given on the datasheet can be critical for such applications. Bruce MailLists wrote: I guess you wanted to refer to the old XPLA PZ3k/5k CoolRunner series bought from Philips, renamed XCR3k/5k, and later enhanced to XPLA3/XCR3kXL, not the "antique" FPGA family XC3k... (C)PLDs don'

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II ready-made?

2012-04-28 Thread MailLists
I guess you wanted to refer to the old XPLA PZ3k/5k CoolRunner series bought from Philips, renamed XCR3k/5k, and later enhanced to XPLA3/XCR3kXL, not the "antique" FPGA family XC3k... (C)PLDs don't need an external memory for configuration storing, it's internal. There are also some Lattice, ACT

Re: [time-nuts] Temex LPFRS-01

2012-04-18 Thread MailLists
stuff in the original state. My LPFRS is very rusty so I can drop my "keep it original" rule. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:29 AM, MailLists wrote: That would be the tougher part, as, with highest probability, the external analog adjustment is first AD converted in the MPU (AIN4) summed wit

Re: [time-nuts] Temex LPFRS-01

2012-04-18 Thread MailLists
50 PM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Interesting... have to check my LPFRS now: only tested for the lock indicator when received and then put aside to complete first the "discipliner". On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 5:00 PM, MailLists wrote: Well, the saga continues... A replacement part (for which a tho

Re: [time-nuts] Re-radiating a GPS signal...??

2012-04-12 Thread MailLists
n the direct and retransmitted signals at the receiver under test. David N1HAC On 4/12/12 10:17 AM, MailLists wrote: GPS being extremely time-dependent, any delay introduced will affect positioning precision. Also, the signal is too weak for such an amplification/echo cancelling signal chain. Pa

Re: [time-nuts] Re-radiating a GPS signal...??

2012-04-12 Thread MailLists
problem I would see in a room that is not fully shielded is interference between the direct and retransmitted signals at the receiver under test. David N1HAC On 4/12/12 10:17 AM, MailLists wrote: GPS being extremely time-dependent, any delay introduced will affect positioning precision. Also, the

Re: [time-nuts] Thoughts on lightning protection measures....

2012-04-12 Thread MailLists
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:39:57 +0300 MailLists wrote: Regarding the TBs, even if they are the only ones directly connected to the antenna, the cable is already punching through the house Faraday cage, and chances are quite high that the lightning discharge won't stop at them. A house isnt a

Re: [time-nuts] Temex LPFRS-01

2012-04-12 Thread MailLists
it, but after a power cycle the story repeats... mostly the wrong frequency comes out, but, on the brighter side, it's locked. On 3/18/2012 10:26 AM, MailLists wrote: Yes... Thank you, and the others, for the suggestions for cleaning/reviving the unit, but I can't recommend to my frie

Re: [time-nuts] Thoughts on lightning protection measures....

2012-04-12 Thread MailLists
A very efficient solution would be to get the signal/power conducting cables out of the lightning path - that means a GPS receiver near the antenna, with a local power supply (photo cell panels / buffer accumulator) and signal transmission over optical fiber. Quite feasible, as a GPS Rx has low

Re: [time-nuts] Thoughts on lightning protection measures....

2012-04-12 Thread MailLists
Only if it's not part of the sacrificial ritual... On the more serious part, while the lightning processes, and effects are scientifically researched for ages, an efficient lighting protection still borders black magic. On 4/12/2012 5:01 PM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: True if you do not includ

Re: [time-nuts] Re-radiating a GPS signal...??

2012-04-12 Thread MailLists
GPS being extremely time-dependent, any delay introduced will affect positioning precision. Also, the signal is too weak for such an amplification/echo cancelling signal chain. Passive relaying, or using at most a simple amplifier with low enough gain, and short signal delay, remain the only fea

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread MailLists
facing interesting. On a side note, speaking of deterministic systems, why has no one built a GPSDO with an FPGA yet? Or an NTP server? :) Bob On Apr 5, 2012, at 1:15, MailLists wrote: As a rule of thumb, any general purpose architecture will be less effective at a specific task than

Re: [time-nuts] NTP jitter with Linux

2012-04-04 Thread MailLists
As a rule of thumb, any general purpose architecture will be less effective at a specific task than a specially designed one. That applies more and more to the "modern" way of solving tasks: software. The PC is one of the classical examples of GPA, and as such it is best to know its limitations,

Re: [time-nuts] Temex LPFRS-01

2012-03-18 Thread MailLists
now works. I complained with fluke.l and he refunded me without asking to ship back the LPFRS. TIP: handle with extreme care an opened LPFRS, there is a flexible PCB that holds the DB9 connector that can tear in the corners. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM, MailLists wrote: Hello all, a f

Re: [time-nuts] Temex LPFRS-01

2012-03-18 Thread MailLists
n but now works. I complained with fluke.l and he refunded me without asking to ship back the LPFRS. TIP: handle with extreme care an opened LPFRS, there is a flexible PCB that holds the DB9 connector that can tear in the corners. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM, MailLists wrote: Hello al

[time-nuts] Temex LPFRS-01

2012-03-17 Thread MailLists
Hello all, a friend purchased from the bay a in the LPRO configuration. After some problems encountered during the first power ups, he asked for help - I'm passing the questions further... After about 9 minutes of warm-up from room temperature (22°C) the lock signal goes low, but after a shor