ucket. For example 1 1 1 2 2 2 3 2 2 1 0 samples sum equal
17 so each unit equal 17/(total range of TIC) and the bucket with 3 samples
would be 3 * 17/(total range of TIC).
Stanley
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Missing plane this ping was not lost why would others be lost ? This ping
was retrieved long after (days) it was received why would it be the only one
?
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From: "Jim Lux"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Air
Would think they have many other aircraft with known position stationary or
moving with location known to help improve the estimate.
Stanley
- Original Message -
From: "Jim Lux"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Aircraft ping timing
On
Very sad. Looks very similar to the 1200b at this level, the internal oven.
http://www.n4iqt.com/fts1000b/pictures/imag5.jpg
Stanley
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From:
To:
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 10:55 AM
Subject: [time-nuts] FTS 2000A
Attached the innards of a FTS 2000A. The
Ignacio,
The "Strangely it worked a couple of times" maybe it has auto baud routine
that is active shortly after reset or power on.
Stanley
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From: "EB4APL"
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
Sent: Satu
predictable delays. Sure this will keep me busy till next year :-) Happy new
year to all ! ( sorry for the 32 hour delay )
Stanley
- Original Message -
From: "David J Taylor"
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Measuring TV delays
Yet another hacked up TV splitter for GPS use:
http://www.n4iqt.com/dtv4x8/
http://www.n4iqt.com/dtv4x8/dtv4x8-notes.txt
http://www.n4iqt.com/dtv4x8/5vreg-mod.JPG (change 12 volt to 5 volt for
antenna)
- Original Message -
From: "Mark C. Stephens"
To: "Discussion of precise ti
is
where it will be when your correction takes effect.
Stanley
- Original Message -
From: "Chris Howard"
To: ; "Discussion of precise time and frequency
measurement"
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Fw: New to list and GPSDO questi
Upon Power up All settings are lost, error 17 - Battery Failed.
The battery is a as dead as a dodo I am afraid.
I have my eye out for the same type, I have found a few but the last 2
Digits of the Dallas part number differ even though they look the same.
As it has a sealed Lithium Battery (Wh
:-)
Stanley
- Original Message -
From: "Magnus Danielson"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Off topic project sort of heart rate monitor NEED
BEATS PRE MINUTE TO ANALOG VOLTAGE
On 20/02/13 02:23, Bob Camp wrote:
Hi
The first layer to th
Yes standard size this is a ABRACON - AOCJY1 from Newark , don't know if
they stock 18 Mhz but you should be able to order one. First check power
supply voltage and pin out.
- Original Message -
From: "john"
To:
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 5:10 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] VCXO in
different depths under asphalt and grass. It is just noise if we can not
correct for it.
Stanley
- Original Message -
From: "Bob Camp"
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Sma
If a fiber-optic cable had temperature sensors either installed with or
embedded inside of this could make for better modeling changes in delay making
more accurate transfer of time and frequency possible. With fiber to tower
installs now under way to provide more data at cell towers why not bac
e not available
from other sources.
http://ko4bb.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=precision_timing:pictic
http://www.ke5fx.com/pictic.htm
http://www.n4iqt.com/picticii/
http://www.wriley.com/A%20Small%20DMTD%20System.pdf
http://www.n4iqt.com/BillRiley/
St
n variance graph ? Does a timing savant exist
?
http://discovermagazine.com/2002/feb/featsavant
Stanley
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made it possible to have as many
TICs, many more than any other way.
Stanley
From: "David"
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II ready-made?
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:52:33
time
:-(
Stanley
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From: "Don Latham"
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II ready-made?
I forgot to add that a simple redrafting of the II as an
Wonder if any other owners of web sites have provided for adoption of their web
sites after they are no longer able to support them or want to ?
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Will do. Give me a few days.
Stanley
Ok wasn't as hard to-do as I imagined, CPU boards come out the front without
removing the receivers from the bottom of the stack. They are 2732A a set of
three f0-f2, I have a Rev G and Rev 107 I don't know why they are different
name s
Will do. Give me a few days.
Stanley
- Original Message -
From: "Poul-Henning Kamp"
To: ; "Discussion of precise time and frequency
measurement"
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Questions about Austron 5000 Loran C r
o you readjust the offset and
amplitude in an iterative way, smaller adjustments each time.
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This is one I was thinking about some German :
http://www.n4iqt.com/lucentgps/small_notes_rftg-m-xo.jpg .
Still looking know that I have some more info somewhere ...
Stanley
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From: "Stanley"
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measu
try : http://www.n4iqt.com/lucentgps/
and : http://www.n4iqt.com/rfgmxo/
not sure if it is any help been a while I spent any time working on them,
Stanley
- Original Message -
From: "Randy D. Hunt"
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement&q
nd OCXO combined but they didn't fit
the simple goal. Not even sure how good they were. I know they are hard to
find.
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"What is the simplest design for a GPSDO that uses only the PPS signal
from
a modern GPS?"
Some sort of oscillator with a voltage control.
CPU with a timer/counter that can capture the PPS.
DAC.
Software.
How about MSC1200 : http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/msc1200y3.pd
If you don't get enough interest I can send you a few.
Stanley
- Original Message -
From: "Eric Garner"
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Subs for obsolete chips
There is a student version that could save enough to pay the cost of the
class with. Older versions appear on the auction site. I have found the user
groups to be a great source of training and they are often located at an
collage you may use to qualify for the student status.
Stanley
The 74AC175 can not be subituted as the circuit needs the higher voltage
output, contact me off list if you need a few parts, or use the surface
mount PC board as these parts are still around. See options here :
http://www.ko4bb.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=precision_timing:pictic
Stanley
ors/LectureHall/JoeKnight/JoeKnight_EarlyPowerTransistorHistory_PSI_Page2.htm
http://semiconductormuseum.com/Museum_Index.htm
Stanley
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From: "J. L. Trantham"
To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'"
Sent: Friday, Octo
about the
DOCXO.
The intent of the post was to share what I had found, I case another member
happens on this part. I have seen them on the auction site but not much
info.
I know other similuar boards have rubidium and 5 Mhz crystals but not sure
they are also GPSDOs.
Stanley
- Ori
tt )
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Hi Time-nuts,
I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and
I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join
Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile.
Thanks,
Stanley
To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below
the clients:
http://www.lightsquared.com/what-we-do/technology/
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Chris Albertson
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 12:09:07 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lightsquared and a little math
> Let'
Yes, boards and parts, please email me off list.
Stanley
Speaking of PICTIC II's. Great project, but I had originally decided not to go
that route as list members were indicating that 5370Bs were to be picked up for
200 bucks. Not so in France I am afraid. I have not been able to
Looks like a upside down wedding cake a very familiar shape for pilots, ground
receivers may not be effected if beyond the horizon of the "testing device" if
it is at sea level. Yes this is just a guess on my part.
Stanley
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From: Robert Darlington
To:
Don't guess it would help if I open my HP 54501A and backup the eproms ?
Stanley
- Original Message
From: paul swed
To: Time-nuts
Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 4:24:45 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] HP 54100 scope eproms images to Diddiers site Ko4bb
Though I have a bad eprom an
Try:
www.n4iqt.com/DC468simul
Stanley
- Original Message
From: jim s
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 8:53:56 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Truetime DC468 GOES simulator in Diddiers upload
folder
for posting only 485 KB
Windows XP – solutions
http://www.bmw-world.ro/?p=173
Windows 7
http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/product-review/how-do-i-disable-mouse-detection-on-a-com-port-for-ups-usage-.aspx
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Michael Baker
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010
A loop with preamp or an active antenna (whip with preamp). Any Loran you
receive will be DX as the US chains were turned off to pay for the tax cut :-)
Astrons need a external frequency standard to work does your receiver have a
model/Brand ?
Stanley
- Original Message
From
184.50 CHF/chip = 190 usd, what is wrong with this world the overprinted usd
should not be on par
with CHF that is the Swiss francs correct ?
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Javier Serrano
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12
Looking at the age of some of it started with analog continued with TDMA and or
CDMA not sure if it is still in use. Maybe analog used the non GPS stuff as the
oldest was RB and XO but not GPS.
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Magnus Danielson
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Mon
Lucent Cell phone site GPSDO output 15 Mhz.
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Magnus Danielson
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 6:10:14 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] Where 15 MHz?
Fellow time-nuts,
A quick question to settle my
Try www.n4iqt.com/books
I like the first part and the last part the math in the middle is over my head
:-)
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Richard W. Solomon
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Sun, December 12, 2010 4:57:07 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts
ise and sun set.
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Jim Palfreyman
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 3:34:45 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] wwvb signal strength
I receive the Japanese low frequency signal here in Tasmania. I get it
on a simp
nk :
http://softsolder.com/2010/01/06/wwvb-reception-quality/
Stanley
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Matt,
As a follow up just ran across this which is good to get started with :
http://www.wriley.com/Examples%20of%201%20PPS%20Clock%20Measuring%20Systems.pdf
In fact Mr. Riley has a very good selection of material at :
http://www.wriley.com/#papers
Stanley
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Counter a way to log your data to process on a computer is good unless you want
to go old school with pen and paper and stop watch ;-)
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Yahoo has problems try http://n4iqt.com/simloran/
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- Original Message
From: Stanley Reynolds
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 10:26:37 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conversion
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docs were available online. But just checked the N4IQT links on yahoo and it
looks like the infos gone.
Paul,
It's still at:
http://www.n4iqt.com/simloran/
If you look for "WB8-TSL LORAN C simulator " it is still there.
Stanley
_
Depends on which one you have but the one with heat sink fins on the front has
a
adjustment pot under a screw on the front appears as a break in the 3rd fin
from
the left. Don't know about the gold color case one's.
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Perry Sandeen
To:
No not compatible. But check Paul Swedberg's Loran simulator here:
http://www.n4iqt.com/simloran/
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Perry Sandeen
To: "time-nuts-requ...@febo.com"
Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 5:19:02 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] AUSTRON MODEL 2100F Conver
amplifier/repeater. I do know noise and cross talk and other impairments are
common. Data modem design is quite complicated but I don't think they are very
predictable as far as delay goes, except delay increases and transfer rate
decreases with impairments.
Stanley
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How to keep hundreds of miles of copper stable or predict it's delay ?
Stanley
- Original Message
From: "J. L. Trantham, M. D."
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 6:44:35 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Timing
it one site is transmitting a series of accuratly spaced pluses then
...
Stanley
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On the crazy side another common view object is the lunar laser ranging
retroreflector array. Has been improvements in cost of lasers and telescopes in
the past 41 years and it doesn't appear to be headed for shutdown anytime soon.
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Mark J. Blai
Does the GPS backup include other sats ? As long as all sites could see the
same
sat then using it as a standard they would drift together.
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Ralph Smith
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Thu, September 9, 2010 11:45:04 AM
I not able to organize a parts order but did notice a break in price on the
transformers at mini-circuits at quantity 10, went from $9.95 to $2.29 this
maybe a mistake, as this is the only part that had such a break.
Stanley
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If you install the interpolator it can be turned off with a software command.
R25 a 10 K resistor only used with the TTL computer interface option, not used
with the RS232 chip, is listed twice as 1% or 5% either will work but you don't
need both.
Stanley
- Original Me
Yes this file:
http://www.n4iqt.com/BillRiley/A-Small-DMTD-System.pdf
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Robert Darlington
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 11:54:56 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy
names, paypal ids, and email address.
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Heathkid
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Mon, September 6, 2010 11:14:18 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update, boards are
here !
Stanley,
Did I already
Yes we do need leap-Centimeters for MSL :-D
Stanley
Some bureaucrat adjusted MSL by 1.3m quietly because it would be
politically incorrect to admit that the globe was actually warming.
We have some idea of how time is adjusted for GPS. Does anyone know
how and when MSL is adjusted? I mean
I would try a search for cake pans in the archive. Large funnel inverted to
cover.
http://www.mail-archive.com/time-nuts@febo.com/msg27517.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/time-nuts@febo.com/msg27561.html
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Peter Krengel
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent
The plastic may also function as a lens particularly the corners of the box
see:
http://authors.library.caltech.edu/10409/1/ZMUieeetmtt92.pdf
figure 2 shows a polyethylene lens.
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Peter Krengel
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 11:12
Test the box minus the screws in a microwave oven if the material heats up then
it is not transparent. May not be the plastic but a pigment that was added to
give the box it's color.
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Peter Krengel
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Sun, September 5,
Packing them up to take to the PO.
Paypal to stanley_reyno...@yahoo.com
$9.50 per board $47.50 for the set of 5.
If you mail your payment to:
Stanley Reynolds
225 Alpine Street
Birmingham, AL 35210
then $9 per board $45 for the set of 5.
Yes I have plenty of extra boards.
Notice arrow has a good
$32.61 for me but maybe you are further away, heavy stuff, maybe it would pay
to
shop for a closer vendor.
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Richard W. Solomon
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 8:49:24 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts
Picked that one as it fit the 3" wide request and is UPS shippable. The
brackets
and ground plate were also available.
Stanley
- Original Message
From: J. Forster
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 8:25:35 PM
Subject: Re:
ROHN 9H50 34 Foot Telescopic TV Wireless Antenna Push Up Mast
http://www.3starinc.com/rohn_telescopic_masts.html
I don't know this vendor just the first that came up in google.
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Charles P. Steinmetz
To: Discussion of precise time and freq
Boards will be here Friday September 3.
Stanley
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x27;m not having much
luck winning a bid on the net4501.
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If you are looking for a project vs a turn key solution check out :
http://www.febo.com/time-freq/ntp/soekris/index.html
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- Original Message
From: Colby Gutierrez-Kraybill
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 11:10:47 AM
Subject: [time-nuts] GPS NTP servers
sible.
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You still need to DF the VOR station to get your direction. guess any radio
that
receives 108 to 117 MHz is good for that.
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- Original Message
From: Bob Camp
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 9:25:31 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT - GPS-Based Accurate Direction Finding
Hi
GPS is not very helpful for directi
Not cheap but VOR was used when I was flying.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHF_omnidirectional_range
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Bob Camp
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 9:25:31 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT - GPS
You can use www.timenuts.com to reach my forum, I can be reached here or there
and several other places, all are welcome.
Stanley
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From: Steve Rooke
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 12:53:56 AM
Subject: Re: [time
No, all my idea, I have not asked anyone's permission. I meant no disrespect.
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Heathkid
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 11:26:21 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Bulletin Board / Forum
Stanley,
Personal Preference, Restrictions with the mail list format, would like a
better
way to search content.
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Brian Kirby
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 9:36:24 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Bulletin
Started setting up a time-nuts board at:
http://forums.n4iqt.com/modules.php?name=Forums
Need ideas for topics.
Stanley
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From: "ewkeh...@aol.com"
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Sat, August 21, 2010 6:07:25 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise measurement (was - no subject)
Hi
My crystal ball indicates the comparison is used Lpro and used Tbolt, original
poster wanted to know why expend $100 for Tbolt when Lpro is cheaper.
Stanley
From: Dan Rae
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010
Brice,
You are on the list.
Will let everyone know when payment is needed, if you are using paypal no need
to send payment till I can ship the boards, if by mail then should arrive after
September 3.
Stanley
From: Heathkid
To: Discussion of precise
need for the PicTic
boards. Guess you could use the DDS board for other projects also.
Each mixer board has two identical channels so it would be possible to use just
one in some applications.
I 'm offering the boards in any combination.
Stanley
From:
Yes you are on the list.
Stanley
From: Heathkid
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 8:41:45 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy Update
Stanley,
I'm not getting *any* emails fro
C5,7,10,11,12,13,14,19,20,21
Q1,Q2
D1 - D10
page 1 do not install:
U2
C4
Stanley
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.pdf
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From: Alan Melia
To: Time-Nuts measurement
Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 6:07:20 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] GPS pcb IDs??
Hi I have just acquired a couple of GPS receiver pcbs, ex Telcoms equipment.
I know a lot of htese poards were discussed so time
Will place order in the next few days please email me with any suggested
changes
to the mixer or DDS boards.
Stanley
From: Stanley Reynolds
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 3:14:50 PM
Subject: [time-nuts] Small DMTD project PCBs Group Buy
as one key, learning the menus was another.
User group meetings help also.
Stanley
From: J. Forster
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 10:07:03 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WTB: Older Version of LabView
Do the Studen
spread sheet :
http://www.n4iqt.com/BillRiley/DMTDMixerModulePartsList.xls
While the PICTIC is thou the hole the other boards use surface mount parts.
Stanley
Just a note, Arrow has a bunch of the dread 74AC175P and will ship small
orders...
Don
software.
Would also like to workout any changes to the DDS or Mixer Boards before I
place
the order.
Yes I still have PICTIC II boards from the first order and other parts for them.
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They were very helpful to me. But cost is on the high side till you factor in
the low volume they probably have. I would be interested in your old HP stuff
:-)
Stanley
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To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Sun, August 15
Files here www.n4iqt.com/BillRiley
If you rename the PCB and or the SCH files you will need to relink them in the
expressPCB program. The mixer board has a netlink warning but this maybe on
purpose as it is with the ground and maybe the isolation mentioned in the notes.
Stanley
Files here : www.n4iqt.com/BillRiley
removed the spaces in the file names but they are still a mix of upper and
lower
case
still checking them to make sure they are OK
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Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 7:05:40 AM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PicTic Data
On 15 August 2010 17:01, Stanley Reynolds wrote:
> Thanks for looking at my data that was what I was fishing
Yes don't think the box did do much. I do have two different dividers here I
just need too finish the projects I have.
Thanks again,
Stanley
- Original Message
From: John Miles
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 11:46:49 PM
Su
c II.
Or changing the Pictic II to use the Acam TDC GP2 Time to Digital Converter; 2
channel w/65 ps resolution now under $30. as Bruce suggested a while back.
My wants sure exceed my cans ;-)
Stanley
- Original Message
From: John Miles
To: Discussion of precise time and
One problem is the door opens don't move in the same direction, a rain storm
did
cool things off outside during the test but it was still warmer outside both
times.
I will place a box over the Pictic and rerun the test.
Stanley
- Original Message
From: Stanley Reynold
door. Not sure what the
~100 sec oscillations are, need to check a/c cycle time.
Stanley
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oh well no credit for me, but what happened to the missing space when so many
other spaces made it thru as %20 ?
- Original Message
From: Hal Murray
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 8:27:09 PM
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ay for the bandwidth to serve
the files, win for them lose for the unprotected server.
Stanley
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From: Bill Hawkins
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 7:35:53 PM
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