Re: [time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ?

2018-04-23 Thread Martin VE3OAT
I always thought crystals with dislocations were used to mark the band edge frequencies. ... MartinVE3OAT - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 11:34:30 -0600 djl wrote : > > Darn. maybe not grain boundaries, but dislocations? or both? > Don > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Re: [time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ?

2018-04-23 Thread Bob kb8tq
f Of Richard > (Rick) Karlquist > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 4:11 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement; Bob kb8tq > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ? > > On 4/22/2018 10:20 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote: > >>> Do

Re: [time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ?

2018-04-22 Thread Hal Murray
bro...@pacific.net said: > Isotopes of an element differ in the number of neutrons.  The chemical > reactions of an element are governed by the electrons, which are the same > for all isotopes, so chemical means can not be used to separate the > isotopes. That needs a qualification, maybe inser

Re: [time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ?

2018-04-22 Thread Bill Hawkins
April 22, 2018 4:11 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement; Bob kb8tq Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ? On 4/22/2018 10:20 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote: >> Do we know anybody in the quartz business who needs a really cool >> research proje

Re: [time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ?

2018-04-22 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Quartz ball yes. It’s a fused quartz (as opposed to crystalline quartz) ball ….. Fused quartz is a lot easier to work with. In order to be piezoelectric, it must be crystalline. The piezo properties are what lets you make a resonator out of it. Bob > On Apr 22, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Brooke Cla

Re: [time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ?

2018-04-22 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: I found a perfect quartz ball.  It took Stanford many decades to make it. https://einstein.stanford.edu/TECH/technology1.html -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html Original Message Hi: Isotopes of an element d

Re: [time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ?

2018-04-22 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If you get into “temperature nuts” territory, the triple point of water varies with the isotope “mix” in the standard. The “correct” mix turns out to be “mid continent deep well water”. If you make a resonator that is very thick, you also need to make it very wide. If you don’t, the widt

Re: [time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ?

2018-04-22 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 4/22/2018 10:20 AM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Do we know anybody in the quartz business who needs a really cool research project ? You could put it on the list with the 1 Kg quartz resonator proposal ….. https://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/2638.pdf Also an o

Re: [time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ?

2018-04-22 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: Isotopes of an element differ in the number of neutrons.  The chemical reactions of an element are governed by the electrons, which are the same for all isotopes, so chemical means can not be used to separate the isotopes. There are a number of ways of making the separation, for Uranium see

Re: [time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ?

2018-04-22 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Apr 22, 2018, at 1:46 PM, jimlux wrote: > > On 4/22/18 9:19 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> Silicon comes in a number of isotopes but 95% of it is Silicon-28. >> When you make pure mono-crystaline silicon, you get 50-60% better >> thermal conductivity if you only use Silicon-28 atoms. >>

[time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ?

2018-04-22 Thread Mark Sims
Single isotope diamond is 50% better thermal conductivity of normal diamond. It has been used in laser optics and thermal transfer applications (semiconductor heatsinks). I think the highest reported thermal transfer rate used isotopically pure diamond etched with micro-fluidic channels fe

Re: [time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ?

2018-04-22 Thread djl
Darn. maybe not grain boundaries, but dislocations? or both? Don On 2018-04-22 10:19, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Silicon comes in a number of isotopes but 95% of it is Silicon-28. When you make pure mono-crystaline silicon, you get 50-60% better thermal conductivity if you only use Silicon-28 ato

Re: [time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ?

2018-04-22 Thread jimlux
On 4/22/18 9:19 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Silicon comes in a number of isotopes but 95% of it is Silicon-28. When you make pure mono-crystaline silicon, you get 50-60% better thermal conductivity if you only use Silicon-28 atoms. Yes, you read that right: 50-60% improvement for removing the

Re: [time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ?

2018-04-22 Thread djl
Interesting indeed! Seems as if there ought to be info about drawing crystals mono vs poly isotopic somewhere out there. Also some info about crystal grain boundaries that might be generated in a zone furnace drawing by isotope inclusions. Seems the boundaries are responsible for the sudden fr

Re: [time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ?

2018-04-22 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Apr 22, 2018, at 12:19 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > Silicon comes in a number of isotopes but 95% of it is Silicon-28. > > When you make pure mono-crystaline silicon, you get 50-60% better > thermal conductivity if you only use Silicon-28 atoms. > > Yes, you read that right: 50-6

[time-nuts] Better quartz crystals with single isotope ?

2018-04-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Silicon comes in a number of isotopes but 95% of it is Silicon-28. When you make pure mono-crystaline silicon, you get 50-60% better thermal conductivity if you only use Silicon-28 atoms. Yes, you read that right: 50-60% improvement for removing the remaining 5% other silicon isotopes, and for t