Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-10 Thread Javier Herrero
El 10/03/2011 15:35, jimlux escribió: Heck, every time I buy parts at home, it seems the packing slip always has some sort of generic "these parts may be subject to export controls" notice on it. Yep.. those 10Meg resistors just might be a vital piece of an armament... This remembers me wh

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-10 Thread jimlux
It is more a matter about that the involved technology could be ITAR classified or with other export restrictions. Ask Hughes and Boeing about the fine for export control violations in Intelsat 708 :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelsat_708 I think most people who work with rockets with guid

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread Javier Herrero
El 10/03/2011 02:43, Sanjeev Gupta escribió: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 22:09, jimlux wrote: OTOH, if you're building a rocket that's big enough to need something like this, you can likely get the needed export licenses, or at least, comply with the export control laws. Wait, he _is_ exporting

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread jimlux
On 3/9/11 5:43 PM, Sanjeev Gupta wrote: On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 22:09, jimlux wrote: OTOH, if you're building a rocket that's big enough to need something like this, you can likely get the needed export licenses, or at least, comply with the export control laws. Wait, he _is_ exporting the wh

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Sanjeev Gupta wrote: > Can you claim a rocket launch as an Export Credit?  "Yes, Officer, we > will report to the Customs Department if this equipment re-enters US > Territory.  We will keep track of it, thank you.  And believe me, I > will know _precisely_ when th

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 22:09, jimlux wrote: > OTOH, if you're building a rocket that's big enough to need something like > this, you can likely get the needed export licenses, or at least, comply > with the export control laws. Wait, he _is_ exporting the whole rocket, anyway, isn't he? Can you

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Tom, Kevin, the JLT DROR GPSDO mentioned by Kevin in the original email may be overkill for this application, as it is designed to provide very low phase noise under extreme vibration conditions, and it is state-of-the-art technology and priced accordingly. It is designed to interface

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread Tom Van Baak
Magnus, Drop the receiver and antenna out of the equation and just provide a timing signal on launch pad... I need to keep computers time synchronized from launch through at least arrival on orbit so that time-tagged network messages can be played back with some degree of fidelity. For this,

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread John Nordlie
If there are already other GPS units onboard, also be careful of interference. On some of our balloon work we have had COTS GPS receivers that would jam each other if placed to closely together. It'd be a shame if your $50 cheapie jammed the space-rated unit and sank the whole mission.

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread Javier Herrero
Hello, El 09/03/2011 19:58, Kevin Watson escribió: As I said in an earlier message, this is an experiment that I want to run and would rather not touch mission and safety-critical GNC components, like our navigation GPS receivers. Mass is not an issue. So I understand that timing is not dis

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread jimlux
On 3/9/11 10:58 AM, Kevin Watson wrote: Hi Magnus, As I said in an earlier message, this is an experiment that I want to run and would rather not touch mission and safety-critical GNC components, like our navigation GPS receivers. Mass is not an issue. -Kevin So this makes it pretty simple..

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 03/09/2011 07:58 PM, Kevin Watson wrote: Hi Magnus, As I said in an earlier message, this is an experiment that I want to run and would rather not touch mission and safety-critical GNC components, like our navigation GPS receivers. Mass is not an issue. In that case, take a Thunderbolt, rep

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread Kevin Watson
To: Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping Kevin, On 03/09/2011 06:39 PM, Kevin Watson wrote: Magnus, Drop the receiver and antenna out of the equation and just provide a timing signal on launch pad... I need to keep computers time synchro

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
Kevin, On 03/09/2011 06:39 PM, Kevin Watson wrote: Magnus, Drop the receiver and antenna out of the equation and just provide a timing signal on launch pad... I need to keep computers time synchronized from launch through at least arrival on orbit so that time-tagged network messages can be

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 03/09/2011 03:15 PM, jimlux wrote: On 3/8/11 11:05 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 03/09/2011 06:08 AM, Kevin Watson wrote: Hi All. Thanks for responding. There are quite a few GPS receivers that will work outside of the usual commercial-grade GPS limitations, but I'm not too sure I need such

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 03/09/2011 03:09 PM, jimlux wrote: On 3/8/11 1:45 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Kevin, On 03/08/2011 06:57 PM, Kevin Watson wrote: Hi Jim, Do you, or anyone else, have a recomendation for the GPSDO? Jackson Labs' (http://jackson-labs.com/) DROR seems like it might work, but I wonder if the

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread Kevin Watson
arch 09, 2011 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping On 3/8/11 11:05 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 03/09/2011 06:08 AM, Kevin Watson wrote: Hi All. Thanks for responding. There are quite a few GPS receivers that will work outside of the usual commercial-grade GPS limitation

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread Kevin Watson
, I need the time source on the rocket. Using a GPSDO in holdover mode seems like a good solution. -Kevin - Original Message - From: "Magnus Danielson" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping On 03/09/2011 06:08 AM, Ke

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: I'm still wondering exactly which spacecraft this person is working on. His questions are not indicative of current leading edge research in this area. Sounds like he is starting from zero and maybe not up to speed on current best practi

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread jimlux
On 3/8/11 11:05 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 03/09/2011 06:08 AM, Kevin Watson wrote: Hi All. Thanks for responding. There are quite a few GPS receivers that will work outside of the usual commercial-grade GPS limitations, but I'm not too sure I need such a receiver. As my application is to ju

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread jimlux
On 3/8/11 9:08 PM, Kevin Watson wrote: Hi All. Thanks for responding. There are quite a few GPS receivers that will work outside of the usual commercial-grade GPS limitations, but I'm not too sure I need such a receiver. As my application is to just accuratly time-tag messages for a data recorder

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread jimlux
On 3/8/11 1:45 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Kevin, On 03/08/2011 06:57 PM, Kevin Watson wrote: Hi Jim, Do you, or anyone else, have a recomendation for the GPSDO? Jackson Labs' (http://jackson-labs.com/) DROR seems like it might work, but I wonder if there might be better alternatives. Firs

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread jimlux
On 3/8/11 11:41 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Kevin Watson wrote: Hi Jim, As part of my research into keeping time on rockets and spacecraft, I joined this list to see what I could learn from the masters. Of course I'm a knuckle-head for not assuming that you'd be

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-09 Thread jimlux
On 3/8/11 9:57 AM, Kevin Watson wrote: Hi Jim, As part of my research into keeping time on rockets and spacecraft, I joined this list to see what I could learn from the masters. Of course I'm a knuckle-head for not assuming that you'd be one of the resident masters . Anyway, as my accuracy needs

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 03/09/2011 06:08 AM, Kevin Watson wrote: Hi All. Thanks for responding. There are quite a few GPS receivers that will work outside of the usual commercial-grade GPS limitations, but I'm not too sure I need such a receiver. As my application is to just accuratly time-tag messages for a data rec

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-08 Thread Kevin Watson
ssage - From: "ehydra" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping There are is a list on a ballooner website with GPS devices working beyond export rules. - Hen

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-08 Thread ehydra
There are is a list on a ballooner website with GPS devices working beyond export rules. - Henry -- ehydra.dyndns.info Magnus Danielson schrieb: First thing to consider is that standard GPSes will not meet your needs, since they have to obey the height and speed limits for export rules.

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
Kevin, On 03/08/2011 06:57 PM, Kevin Watson wrote: Hi Jim, As part of my research into keeping time on rockets and spacecraft, I joined this list to see what I could learn from the masters. Of course I'm a knuckle-head for not assuming that you'd be one of the resident masters . Anyway, as my a

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-08 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Kevin Watson wrote: > Hi Jim, > > As part of my research into keeping time on rockets and spacecraft, I joined > this list to see what I could learn from the masters. Of course I'm a > knuckle-head for not assuming that you'd be one of the resident masters > . Anywa

[time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-08 Thread Kevin Watson
Hi Jim, As part of my research into keeping time on rockets and spacecraft, I joined this list to see what I could learn from the masters. Of course I'm a knuckle-head for not assuming that you'd be one of the resident masters . Anyway, as my accuracy needs are modest (~10uS across many onboard c