Re: [time-nuts] T.I. questions

2015-02-07 Thread Magnus Danielson
Jim, On 02/07/2015 12:48 AM, Jim Lux wrote: Only maximal codes have 2^n-1 states/periods. There are other configurations with shorter periods. A particularly tricky thing is that if the shift register in a maximal generator ever winds up as all zeros (e.g. from a upset or bit flip), then the

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. questions

2015-02-07 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hal, On 02/06/2015 09:42 PM, Hal Murray wrote: mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: The typical noise generator chips uses a PRNG based on DFFs and XOR gate(s). A typical weakness is that the chain of DFFs is to short, causing a relatively high rate of cycling, which hearable as a beating.

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. questions

2015-02-07 Thread Mike Monett
mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: The typical noise generator chips uses a PRNG based on DFFs and XOR gate(s). A typical weakness is that the chain of DFFs is to short, causing a relatively high rate of cycling, which hearable as a beating. However, for some uses, that is OK. The buzzword

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. questions (Magnus Danielson)

2015-02-07 Thread johncroos via time-nuts
A further comment on design of pseudo random code generators. At some point the code may enter the dreaded all zeros state. This clocks a zero on the input stage through all stages and the whole thing just stops. So a AND gate looking at all stages in parallel is used to detect the all zero

[time-nuts] T.I. questions

2015-02-06 Thread Mark Sims
Several of the reciprocal counters (DC509, DC5010) Tektronix built for their TM500/TM5000 test equipment mainframes use a National Semiconductor noise generator chip to dither their reference clock. They do this mainly to handle the case where the input freq and reference clock are very close.

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. questions

2015-02-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
The typical noise generator chips uses a PRNG based on DFFs and XOR gate(s). A typical weakness is that the chain of DFFs is to short, causing a relatively high rate of cycling, which hearable as a beating. However, for some uses, that is OK. Cheers, Magnus On 02/06/2015 07:16 PM, Mark Sims

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. questions

2015-02-06 Thread Hal Murray
mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: The typical noise generator chips uses a PRNG based on DFFs and XOR gate(s). A typical weakness is that the chain of DFFs is to short, causing a relatively high rate of cycling, which hearable as a beating. However, for some uses, that is OK. The buzzword

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. questions

2015-02-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/6/15 12:42 PM, Hal Murray wrote: mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: The typical noise generator chips uses a PRNG based on DFFs and XOR gate(s). A typical weakness is that the chain of DFFs is to short, causing a relatively high rate of cycling, which hearable as a beating. However, for

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. questions

2015-02-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Attila, On 02/06/2015 08:30 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 19:29:46 +0100 Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.se wrote: Since then interpolation of single-shot events have been investigated, and is now down to 200 fs in the best counter I know of (and have). Which counter is

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. questions

2015-02-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
[mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 5:41 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Cc: mag...@rubidium.se Subject: Re: [time-nuts] T.I. questions Joe, The single-shot resolution of the Option 040 series input is 10 ns. The T.I. interval option adds

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. questions

2015-02-06 Thread Chuck Harris
Pulse width modulation. Suppose the readings go like this: 6,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,6,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,6,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5 you would be able to interpolate that result to be 5.1 If it went: 6,6,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,6,6,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,6,6,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5 You would be able to interpolate that result

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. questions

2015-02-06 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 19:29:46 +0100 Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.se wrote: Since then interpolation of single-shot events have been investigated, and is now down to 200 fs in the best counter I know of (and have). Which counter is that? I'm only aware of an experimental TDC that does

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. questions

2015-02-05 Thread Bill Hawkins
-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 5:41 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Cc: mag...@rubidium.se Subject: Re: [time-nuts] T.I. questions Joe, The single-shot resolution of the Option 040 series input is 10 ns. The T.I. interval option adds jitter

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. questions

2015-02-04 Thread Joseph Gray
Oops, I missed a digit on that last email. it should be 10,000 s average for 100 ps resolution. Joe Gray W5JG On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Joseph Gray jg...@zianet.com wrote: Sorry for the simple questions. Old hands can simply ignore this message if it bothers you. I have an HP 5328A

[time-nuts] T.I. questions

2015-02-04 Thread Joseph Gray
Sorry for the simple questions. Old hands can simply ignore this message if it bothers you. I have an HP 5328A that I have pieced together from broken units. As soon as I make a ribbon cable for the GPIB card, I want to use it for T.I. measurements. I know it isn't nearly as good as a 5370, but

Re: [time-nuts] T.I. questions

2015-02-04 Thread Magnus Danielson
Joe, The single-shot resolution of the Option 040 series input is 10 ns. The T.I. interval option adds jitter to make the averaging useful. If your PPS was instead a burst or a clock, comparing it to your clock would make more sense and you could use that higher resolution. If I had a GPIB