Re: [time-nuts] Typical HP 5370B resolution ?

2013-03-04 Thread Ulrich Bangert
measurement Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] Typical HP 5370B resolution ? Thanks all for the suggestions. I am typically measuring 5 or 10 Mhz sine waves with levels between 1 and 4 volts peak to peak into a 50 ohm load. To expand on my first email with suitable input signals I can see

Re: [time-nuts] Typical HP 5370B resolution ?

2013-03-04 Thread Bruce Griffiths
...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Spencer Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Marz 2013 18:49 An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Betreff: Re: [time-nuts] Typical HP 5370B resolution ? Thanks all for the suggestions. I am typically measuring 5 or 10 Mhz sine waves with levels between 1 and 4

Re: [time-nuts] Typical HP 5370B resolution ?

2013-03-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message 4056222B698D4625893194A1E3AD4144@athlon, Ulrich Bangert writes: given the fact that the measurement results of a 5370 are integer multiples of 20 ps [...] Once you get to this level of detail, it is important to know that the

Re: [time-nuts] Typical HP 5370B resolution ?

2013-03-04 Thread Mark Spencer
Spencer Message: 4 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:41:06 +0100 From: Ulrich Bangert df...@ulrich-bangert.de To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'     time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Typical HP 5370B resolution ? Message-ID: 4056222B698D4625893194A1E3AD4144@athlon

Re: [time-nuts] Typical HP 5370B resolution ?

2013-03-04 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 03/04/2013 11:02 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message4056222B698D4625893194A1E3AD4144@athlon, Ulrich Bangert writes: given the fact that the measurement results of a 5370 are integer multiples of 20 ps [...] Once you get to this

Re: [time-nuts] Typical HP 5370B resolution ?

2013-03-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message 5134dd69.1070...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: Once you get to this level of detail, it is important to know that the actual number is not 20ps but 19.5763ps See page 8-19 in the manual. Since we are in

Re: [time-nuts] Typical HP 5370B resolution ?

2013-03-04 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Poul-Henning, On 03/04/2013 07:54 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message5134dd69.1070...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: Once you get to this level of detail, it is important to know that the actual number is not 20ps but

Re: [time-nuts] Typical HP 5370B resolution ?

2013-03-03 Thread Mark Spencer
Thanks all for the suggestions. I am typically measuring 5 or 10 Mhz sine waves with levels between 1 and 4 volts peak to peak into a 50 ohm load. To expand on my first email with suitable input signals I can see the 20 ps resolution of the HP5370B on a strip chart from time lab without

[time-nuts] Typical HP 5370B resolution ?

2013-03-02 Thread Frank Stellmach
Mark, The jitter is always around 35ps, typ. I think, you won't change anything on the latter parameter by re alignment, because it's given mainly by the jitter of the Time Interpolators and the zero crossing detectors. The alignment procedure mainly calibrates the absolute T.I. accuracy to

[time-nuts] Typical HP 5370B resolution ?

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Spencer
Greetings: As my plan to buy a time pod is on hold for now (: I'm revisiting my HP5370B's.I'm debating if I should embark on a re alignment project or not. My better HP5370B's seem to have a practical resolution of 40 ps or so with typical signals (ie. comparing and ocxo to a gpsdo.)

Re: [time-nuts] Typical HP 5370B resolution ?

2013-03-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I suspect you will find some easy to fix stuff as you go through the 5370 short of a full re-alignment. On my 5370's the only way to see the 20 ps resolution is to run a fairly large number of measurements and look at the standard deviation. If you are at 40 ps on that basis, it likely can be

Re: [time-nuts] Typical HP 5370B resolution ?

2013-03-01 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 03/01/2013 06:05 PM, Mark Spencer wrote: Greetings: As my plan to buy a time pod is on hold for now (: I'm revisiting my HP5370B's.I'm debating if I should embark on a re alignment project or not. My better HP5370B's seem to have a practical resolution of 40 ps or so with typical