Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC, 60 Hz

2005-07-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Van Baak wrote: You know, if the stackable TAPR module project catches on another PCB on the list could be a mains frequency monitor. It would robustly filter and divide the 50/60 Hz mains frequency to 1 PPS and then onboard compare that 1 PPS against the local (OCXO, atomic, or GPS) 1 PPS

RE: [time-nuts] Re: UTC, 60 Hz

2005-07-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
TVB said, "If there's a power industry person in time-nuts we'd love to ask you a few questions." I'm not a power industry person, but I've researched the problem over the years. Here are some of the results. The generators are all synchronous machines. The ones in one power plant rotate with ve

Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC, 60 Hz

2005-07-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tom Van Baak" writes: >You know, if the stackable TAPR module >project catches on another PCB on the list >could be a mains frequency monitor. > >It would robustly filter and divide the 50/60 Hz >mains frequency to 1 PPS and then onboard >compare that 1 PPS against

Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC, 60 Hz

2005-07-27 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Does your phase plot mean that a mains powered wall clock might be off > by 10 seconds? > > Have Fun, > > Brooke Clarke, N6GCE Yes. I also keep an old AC synchronous motor wall clock around just to see this effect. To be fair, it is unusual for it to be off this much, or for very long. > May

Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC, 60 Hz

2005-07-27 Thread Brian Kirby
I have a digital clock that runs from the 60 hertz power. I have noticed several times that TVA power can gain time up to 15 seconds compared to UTC. Takes a few weeks. I also did a stability test using a rubidium and dividers and I showed about a +/- 0.03 hertz deviation over one hour, duri

Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC, 60 Hz

2005-07-27 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Tom: Does your phase plot mean that a mains powered wall clock might be off by 10 seconds? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke, N6GCE -- w/Java http://www.PRC68.com w/o Java http://www.pacificsites.com/~brooke/PRC68COM.shtml http://www.precisionclock.com Tom Van Baak wrote: . . . For real plots of

Re: [time-nuts] Re: UTC, 60 Hz

2005-07-27 Thread Tom Van Baak
> > Certainly. But what's your point? I don't see these utilities failing > > if a second slips here or there. The one case where time is critical > > is the power grid, and they keep their own time (Which, IIRC > > approximates UTC). The power companies used to use GOES heavily; early this ye