Re: [Tinyos-help] [Tinyos-devel] AM ID guidelines for net2 protocols and other applications

2008-04-30 Thread Omprakash Gnawali
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Philip Levis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 29, 2008, at 7:41 PM, Matt Welsh wrote: This seems like an unnecessarily large swath of the AM address space for one small working group. It would be better to justify this in terms of your actual needs, rather

Re: [Tinyos-help] [Tinyos-devel] AM ID guidelines for net2 protocols and other applications

2008-04-30 Thread Matt Welsh
That makes a lot more sense to me than just protocols developed by net2. As Om said you only need about 15-20 IDs, but you're proposing to claim 128. Seems like a mismatch. Here's a proposal. As TinyOS matures it's clear that we need some way to resolve AM ID space conflicts. One approach

Re: [Tinyos-help] [Tinyos-devel] AM ID guidelines for net2 protocols and other applications

2008-04-30 Thread Philip Levis
On Apr 30, 2008, at 6:02 AM, Matt Welsh wrote: That makes a lot more sense to me than just protocols developed by net2. As Om said you only need about 15-20 IDs, but you're proposing to claim 128. Seems like a mismatch. Here's a proposal. As TinyOS matures it's clear that we need some

Re: [Tinyos-help] [Tinyos-devel] AM ID guidelines for net2 protocols and other applications

2008-04-30 Thread Matt Welsh
I think we're on the same page here but there are some details to work out. Anything in tos could be assigned an AM ID range by the net2 WG. The question is how do things move from contrib, apps, etc. to tos? An example might be a new timesync protocol that someone develops and wants to

Re: [Tinyos-help] [Tinyos-devel] AM ID guidelines for net2 protocols and other applications

2008-04-30 Thread Vlado Handziski
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Matt Welsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we're on the same page here but there are some details to work out. Anything in tos could be assigned an AM ID range by the net2 WG. The question is how do things move from contrib, apps, etc. to tos? An example

Re: [Tinyos-help] [Tinyos-devel] AM ID guidelines for net2 protocols and other applications

2008-04-30 Thread Omprakash Gnawali
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Vlado Handziski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Matt Welsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we're on the same page here but there are some details to work out. Anything in tos could be assigned an AM ID range by the net2 WG. The

Re: [Tinyos-help] [Tinyos-devel] AM ID guidelines for net2 protocols and other applications

2008-04-30 Thread Philip Levis
On Apr 30, 2008, at 11:39 AM, Omprakash Gnawali wrote: In summary, at least until now, net2's policy has been to put the TEP in the standards track and software in the release track only through membership in the group. For TEP, I can see the value of being more flexible with this policy

Re: [Tinyos-help] [Tinyos-devel] AM ID guidelines for net2 protocols and other applications

2008-04-30 Thread Matt Welsh
OK, this is fine enough, though I guess it means that the net2 WG is the gatekeeper for all protocols in TinyOS. It wasn't clear to me that this was the case... For the protocols that are distributed with the core (lib/net), it is clear that we want ID allocation and they MUST not conflict.

Re: [Tinyos-help] [Tinyos-devel] AM ID guidelines for net2 protocols and other applications

2008-04-30 Thread Philip Levis
On Apr 30, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Matt Welsh wrote: OK, this is fine enough, though I guess it means that the net2 WG is the gatekeeper for all protocols in TinyOS. It wasn't clear to me that this was the case... Well, I'd hope it's not. net2 is responsible for assigning the IDs, not

Re: [Tinyos-help] [Tinyos-devel] AM ID guidelines for net2 protocols and other applications

2008-04-29 Thread Matt Welsh
This seems like an unnecessarily large swath of the AM address space for one small working group. It would be better to justify this in terms of your actual needs, rather than projected. How many AM IDs do the net2 protocols currently need and can we estimate the growth in the protocol

Re: [Tinyos-help] [Tinyos-devel] AM ID guidelines for net2 protocols and other applications

2008-04-29 Thread Philip Levis
On Apr 29, 2008, at 7:41 PM, Matt Welsh wrote: This seems like an unnecessarily large swath of the AM address space for one small working group. It would be better to justify this in terms of your actual needs, rather than projected. How many AM IDs do the net2 protocols currently need and