[tips] Re: Ah hah! Admissions Criteria!

2006-12-19 Thread Rikikoenig
I've followed the discussion with much interest. The College Board is going to conduct an audit of all AP courses this year. All teachers of such courses will have to go through a laborious process of submitting detailed information about their courses. Only courses that are approved will

[tips] Re: Ah hah! Admissions Criteria!

2006-12-19 Thread Jim Clark
Hi One quick comment on my posting ... a problem with any such comparison as the following is that 2-year grads have had only 2 years of post-secondary education and 4-year grads have had 4 years of post-secondary education. Rather important confound! What we need are performance indicators for

[tips] Re: Ah hah! Admissions Criteria!

2006-12-19 Thread Jim Clark
Hi First, let's remember that comparisons of differences between populations (e.g., community colleges vs. universities) are statements about average differences and not statements about every member of each population. That is, the claim that universities on average provide better (or worse) edu

[tips] Re: Final grade drama

2006-12-19 Thread Annette Taylor, Ph. D.
Hi Robin: I had a student this semester whose writing, right from day one, raised red flags for me. I contacted our disability services folks on day two. It did turn out that this student (a) although caucasian was born and raised in japan and had never spoken any English until a couple o

[tips] RE: Final grade drama

2006-12-19 Thread Shearon, Tim
Robin- You asked, "One is a situation we've discussed before--a student who defends his or her paper on the ground that "I worked so hard." The thing is, in this case, the student DID work very hard. That work simply wasn't reflected in the quality of the final product. What do you say to that?"

[tips] Re: Final grade drama

2006-12-19 Thread Beth Benoit
Always painful, Robin. One thing that I have concluded after many angst-ridden hours, is that these students have a pretty good idea that their work is not up to snuff. And interestingly, the only ones that I recall actually challenging their grades were the ones who obviously didn't try. T

[tips] Re: Ah hah! Admissions Criteria!

2006-12-19 Thread Joan Warmbold
Jim, I believe what you're stating regarding the disparity between what the State University expects in their 100 and 200 level classes but I find this quite disturbing. However, upon reflection, I have no right to be surprised as I recall very clearly how the courses my former husband took at Kn

[tips] Re: Ah hah! Admissions Criteria (grade inflation)!

2006-12-19 Thread Frigo, Lenore
Ha, now I know why I once had this conversation with a student. She presented this in all seriousness... Student: You're one of the best teachers, so it doesn't make sense for you to give me an F on this paper Me: huh? Student: You see, grades reflect a teacher's ability. You're really being har

[tips] Final grade drama

2006-12-19 Thread Robin Abrahams
TIPSters-- So, the class I'm teaching this semester got their final papers back today, and needless to say it did not go well for everyone. This is a senior-level class for majors--experimental psychology. I'm wondering how TIPSters deal with two situations in particular that came up. One is

[tips] Re: Ah hah! Admissions Criteria!

2006-12-19 Thread Jim Dougan
At 03:37 PM 12/19/2006, you wrote: Are we trying to be amusing here? I find this so bizarre. Yes, Oakton Community College is obliged to accept all comers. Thus, we also offer tons of tutoring support, require every student to take placement tests in math, reading and writing so they are place

[tips] Re: Ah hah! Admissions Criteria!

2006-12-19 Thread Jeffry Ricker
On Dec 19, 2006, at 2:37 PM, Joan Warmbold wrote: Are we trying to be amusing here? I don't know about you, but I was being ironic, which is not necessarily the same as funny. So how does this necessarily imply that they will "advance all the way through the lower-division course work be

[tips] Re: Ah hah! Admissions Criteria (grade inflation)!

2006-12-19 Thread Beth Benoit
That's wonderful. I'll have to remember that. It's teaching that creates the grade!! An interesting thought in light of the recent response from someone on TIPS (Annette?) who said that when students email asking what their grade is "so far," it just reflects the idea that students don't thin

[tips] Re: Community Colleges: How Gauche!

2006-12-19 Thread Joan Warmbold
Of course the students come in with different skills. I teach summers at Oakton Community College when we get lots of transfers and it is very apparent that their skill levels are considerably higher. But I do not (repeat DO NOT) alter my expectations and assignments from my "regular" winter/spri

[tips] Re: Ah hah! Admissions Criteria (grade inflation)!

2006-12-19 Thread William Scott
A number of years ago, a particular department at our institution that was cited for giving many more A's than any other defended itself by claiming the large number of A's was evidence that they taught their subject better than anyone else on campus. Bill Scott >>> "FRANTZ, SUE" <[EMAIL PROTE

[tips] Re: Ah hah! Admissions Criteria!

2006-12-19 Thread Joan Warmbold
Are we trying to be amusing here? I find this so bizarre. Yes, Oakton Community College is obliged to accept all comers. Thus, we also offer tons of tutoring support, require every student to take placement tests in math, reading and writing so they are placed according, and have smaller classes

[tips] Explanation of Problem Posting to TIPS

2006-12-19 Thread Bill Southerly
Since this is a common problem I will answer Bob's question publically since others may encounter the problem. As Bob stated, he is a long time member of TIPS. This is relevant because it increases the chances that his email address may have been changed often by the place of employment when

[tips] Re: Ah hah! Admissions Criteria!

2006-12-19 Thread FRANTZ, SUE
Here, there is a faculty member in an unnamed physical science who insists that a 1.7 in his class is equal to a 2.0 (or so) in any other class because his physical science class is more demanding. Or at least I think that's his argument. Is it any wonder that the accrediting bodies would l

[tips] Re: Teaching resources: Wish list (& Clickers)

2006-12-19 Thread FRANTZ, SUE
FWIW, I don't bother with the "clicker questions" provided by publishers. The questions need to directly tie into what I'm covering -- not someone's guess about what I might be covering. The clicker system I use fits well with my teaching style. I can pre-program questions into my powerp

[tips] Ah hah! Admissions Criteria!

2006-12-19 Thread Jeffry Ricker
Hi all! OK, so now the conversation has shifted to the dimension of "admissions criteria" and the claim has become: "courses offered at schools with more rigorous admissions criteria are more demanding academically than the (supposedly) same courses offered at schools with less rigorous a

[tips] my status

2006-12-19 Thread Robert Grossman
I thought I was a member of TIPS for quite sometime but just had a message rejected for lack of membership. "Sorry, but Lyris ListManager did not find your email address -> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" listed as a member of tips. Only members of tips are allowed to contribute messages. Because Lyris Lis

[tips] Re: pot becomes top cash crop in US | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited

2006-12-19 Thread Marc Carter
Well, we'd certainly see a lot less corn syrup in products. And that, I think, might not be such a bad thing... m --- "Whatever power the United States Constitution envisions for the Executive in its exchanges with other nations or with enemy organizations in times of conflict, it most a

[tips] Re: pot becomes top cash crop in US | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited

2006-12-19 Thread Rick Froman
It probably helps that corn isn't $174.00 an ounce (imagine if it was). Rick Dr. Rick Froman, Chair Division of Humanities and Social Sciences Box 3055 x7295 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jbu.edu/academics/hss/faculty/rfroman.asp Proverbs 14:15 "A simple man believes anything, but a prudent ma

[tips] Re: Community Colleges: How Gauche

2006-12-19 Thread Annette Taylor, Ph. D.
I crafted a similar response and indeed share all of your views, including those on the complexity and those on the differential quality of students in different institutions. (and I was just about to send it when my hard drive crashed...) Annette Quoting "Pollak, Edward " <[EMAIL PROTE

[tips] Re: Teaching resources: Wish list (& Clickers)

2006-12-19 Thread Annette Taylor, Ph. D.
let me offer one more bit of encouragement to keep nudging that glacier! Although I'm not using such a system if I were just a tad younger I'd have been the first person on it. I have seen some amazing classroom demonstrations that really involve the students. Having said that, the research

[tips] Re: pot becomes top cash crop in US | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited

2006-12-19 Thread Annette Taylor, Ph. D.
I thought this was old news.I've been hearing this since the 70's. Annette Quoting Robin Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Freudian slip, Christopher; I think you mean "mainstream." And it was on the top five news items on Yahoo, if that counts for anything. "Christopher D. Green" <[EMAIL PR

[tips] RE: Community Colleges: How Gauche!

2006-12-19 Thread Louis E Schmier
Greeting from San Francisco where Susan and I are spoiling our grand-kids rotten. Before all of you get into and continue this "in my opinion" discussion, I would strongly suggest everyone first watch PBS' "Declining By Degrees." Louis --- To make changes to your subscription go to: http://ac

[tips] Re: Community colleges

2006-12-19 Thread Curtis Dunkel
No they were not typical CC students. These were exceptional students who I would guess have a high g especially as related to their fellow CC students. My point is to counter the point made that students transferring from CC to 4 year institutions are somehow at a disadvantage. The evidence I have

[tips] Re: Community colleges

2006-12-19 Thread Paul Brandon
At 10:34 AM -0500 12/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be the first to agree with the obvious; that student populations are quite a bit different across institutions. For example, I have students in my classes at a community college that are clearly mentally retarded and I donít believe that

[tips] RE: Community Colleges: How Gauche!

2006-12-19 Thread Paul Brandon
At 3:05 PM -0600 12/18/06, Rick Froman wrote: Do you mean is the excellence of the lower division gen ed courses at Land-Grant Research U (LGRU) taught by grad TAs whose first language may not be English and whose commitment to teaching rests entirely on the meager paycheck they are earning for

[tips] Re: Community Colleges: How Gauche!

2006-12-19 Thread drnanjo
It was written: "But the SAT differences tell you that the academic skills levels are different. So you must change your teaching technique to adapt to these differences. All of us must adapt our techniques to fit our student population." The SATs tell you for sure that the socio-economic s

[tips] Community colleges

2006-12-19 Thread cdunkel
I will be the first to agree with the obvious; that student populations are quite a bit different across institutions. For example, I have students in my classes at a community college that are clearly mentally retarded and I don’t believe that is likely at higher tier institutions. However, the e

[tips] Community Colleges: How Gauche

2006-12-19 Thread Pollak, Edward
Jeffry Ricker (dripping with considerable sarcasm) wrote: "Of course, one must agree that it is "patently silly" to think that a superior grade at Northwest Podunk Community College or Dung Beetle Community College is similar to a superior grade at Appalachian State University or West Cheste

[tips] Re: Community Colleges: How Gauche!

2006-12-19 Thread Ken Steele
Hi Jeff and other CC faculty: I didn't say, or mean to imply, that CC faculty could not be excellent instructors. I didn't say, or mean to imply, that CC faculty could not have high standards. I didn't say, or mean to imply, that a UNC-CH instructor was "good" and a CC instructor was "bad."

[tips] Re: Teaching resources: Wish list (& Clickers)

2006-12-19 Thread Gaft, Sam
Dear Rainier, There were a few papers presented at poster sessions at NITOP last January that showed no difference in student learning between clicker and non-clicker classrooms. In at least two of those papers the measures were summative assessment. However, a close read of the clicker-provide

[tips] Re: Teaching resources: Wish list (& Clickers)

2006-12-19 Thread Scheuchenpflug
Dear Tipsters, thanks to all who responded to my question about how to spend funds for improvement of teaching. As promised, here is a compilation of the answers: Miguel Roig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) suggested to have a look at "the student response system (SRS), which allows instructors to record s