This post can't be any less relevant than the average penis size of men from
India. Boy, who needs coffee in the morning with a story like that?
Here is an interesting study. Based on its results, I wonder if the unwanted
pregnancy rate could be reduced by invoking the power of prayer. Althou
You know, if prayer has any effect on conception, you'd think it would
work in reverse. It seems to me that I have known a whole lot of women who
have prayed, with great fervency, "Please, God, let me not be pregnant!" but
to no avail. Maybe a new study could be done to test whether praying
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, James Guinee wrote:
> Here is an interesting study ["Prayer may influence in vitro
> fertilization success"]. Based on its results, I wonder if the
> unwanted pregnancy rate could be reduced by invoking the power
> of prayer.
Faith is surely a remarkable thing. It can contemp
At 10:59 AM -0400 10/2/01, Stephen Black wrote:
>On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, James Guinee wrote:
>
>> Here is an interesting study ["Prayer may influence in vitro
>> fertilization success"]. Based on its results, I wonder if the
>> unwanted pregnancy rate could be reduced by invoking the power
>> of praye
Stephen Black wrote:
> I think Jim should pray that the
> experiment is in error.
The full text of the original article is available at
http://www.reproductivemedicine.com/Features/Feature.htm
The very last line of the artcile states:
"Our data suggest a benefit of IP [intercessory prayer] on
>Stephen Black wrote:
>
>> I think Jim should pray that the
>> experiment is in error.
>
>The full text of the original article is available at
>http://www.reproductivemedicine.com/Features/Feature.htm
>
>The very last line of the artcile states:
>
>"Our data suggest a benefit of IP [intercessory
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Jeff Ricker wrote:
(referring to a study which found that prayer improved the
pregnancy rate after in-vitro fertization):
> The full text of the original article is available at
> http://www.reproductivemedicine.com/Features/Feature.htm
and
> I would appreciate very much see
Stephen Black wrote:
> If any simple and risk-free medical procedure was found to double
> the pregnancy rate after IVF, as prayer is reported to do, it
> would quickly find its way into every IVF clinic in the world,
> and anyone who failed to use the procedure would be risking
> malpractice. Ye
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Jeff Ricker wrote:
> (referring to a study which found that prayer improved the
> pregnancy rate after in-vitro fertization):
>
> > The full text of the original article is available at
> > http://www.reproductivemedicine.com/Features/Feature.htm
>
> and
>
> > I would app
I asked for your impressions of the methods and statistical analyses of the
prayer/in-vitro-fertilization study at
http://www.reproductivemedicine.com/Features/Feature.htm
In response, Stephen Black wrote:
> After you strip away the bells and
> whistles, it's actually a simple study, and the res
>> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Jeff Ricker wrote:
>> (referring to a study which found that prayer improved the
>> pregnancy rate after in-vitro fertization):
>>
>> > The full text of the original article is available at
>> > http://www.reproductivemedicine.com/Features/Feature.htm
>>
>> and
>>
>> > I wou
Hi
I got into a lengthy debate about this study on another list.
The suggestion that fraud might have been involved was deemed to
be an ad hominum argument. In looking into the study, I found
that at least some of the authors have been affiliated with
Alternative Medicine in general (Kwang Yul
At 10:59 AM -0400 10/2/01, Stephen Black wrote:
>
>Faith is surely a remarkable thing. It can contemplate a God
who
>is unmoved by the savagery that could destroy more than 5,000
>innocent lives, yet so responsive to human need as to boost the
>in-vitro fertilization rate in response to a fe
Richard Pisacreta wrote:
> At 10:59 AM -0400 10/2/01, Stephen Black wrote:
>
> >
> >Faith is surely a remarkable thing. It can contemplate a God
> who
> >is unmoved by the savagery that could destroy more than 5,000
> >innocent lives, yet so responsive to human need as to boost the
> >in-vit
On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Mike Scoles wrote:
>
> "But there is no view of human life, or of the condition of mankind, from
> which, without the greatest violence, we can infer the moral attributes, or
> learn that infinite benevolence, conjoined with infinite power and infinite
> wisdom, which we must
Louis_Schmier wrote:
> I'm not sure what is it you choose not to believe. I am unclear about what
> responsibiliity are you placing on yourself as a moral?
I choose not to believe in something that requires suspending reason, especially
if such a belief gives me comfort when I should not feel co
> I wrote, regarding that prayer-makes-pregnancies experiment:
>
> > I doubt that hardly any clinic anywhere is going
> >to make use of this startling new finding. Why?
> >Because no one will believe it.
On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Jeff Ricker REPLIED:
>
> On this, I will have to respectfully disagree.
Stephen Black wrote:
> My point was somewhat different. It was that if this were
> a medical procedure, it would be immediately put into effect in
> hospitals and clinics everywhere, given its demonstrated efficacy
> and ease of implementation. But I doubt that women presenting for
> IVF in the n
> Subject: Re: praying for a wee one
> From: Stephen Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, James Guinee wrote:
>
> > Here is an interesting study ["Prayer may influence in vitro
> > fertilization success"]. Based on its results, I wonder
On 3 Oct 2001, at 0:00, Teaching in the Psychological Sciences di wrote:
>
> >As the authors themselves are suggesting here, one should be very careful
> >about making a firm conclusion regarding the value of prayer for improving
> >the outcome of this procedure.
>
> Can you say "false positive
>> Subject: Re: praying for a wee one
>> From: Stephen Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, James Guinee wrote:
>>
>> > Here is an interesting study ["Prayer may influence in vitro
>> > fertilization success"]. Ba
Mike, Hume give us no solace in the power of reason. much less science,
either given the fallibility of us mortals.
It seems to me, and I am not taking issue with you, that too often we make
a decision first and then develop the consccious reasoning afterward. We
often develop our conscious rea
Hi
On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, James Guinee wrote:
> I just love the anti-religious bias that is so prevalent in
> psychology!
There are many things that scientific psychologists are against:
sloppy designs, inappropriate statistics, faulty conclusions,
careless reasoning, promoting theories that are fa
jim clark wrote:
> Out of interest, is there a psychological literature on whether
> people tend to become more convinced of god when they have their
> mortality threatened?
The following came from going back to 1967 on PsycInfo, using the search:
threat AND (faith OR religiosity),
then scanning
On Wed, 03 Oct 2001 08:02:08 -0500 Paul Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Stephen Black wrote:
> > If any simple and risk-free medical procedure was found to double
> > the pregnancy rate after IVF, as prayer is reported to do, it
> > would quickly find its way into every IVF clinic in the wo
> >> > Here is an interesting study ["Prayer may influence in vitro
> >> > fertilization success"]. Based on its results, I wonder if the
> >> > unwanted pregnancy rate could be reduced by invoking the power
> >> > of prayer.
> >>
> >> Faith is surely a remarkable thing. It can contemplate a God w
Hi
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, James Guinee wrote:
> Just as science cannot teach much about morality, religion cannot teach
> much about science. It doesn't mean they can't have some partnership, but
> not much of one.
The complication for those of us who teach and do science about
human beings is
>As you can imagine, I've grown a little weary of the anti-religious sentiment
>that *seems* so prevalent in psychology. I don't mean to be rude, and I
>certainly believe others have the right to profess or not profess whatever
>they
>want about God and religion.
Are you sure that your reaction
Jim wrote:
> Another point I hadn't really considered is that people in
> the church will begin to believe that they need to test all
> religious teachings and empirically, and when they learn this
> cannot be done, they will likely become disillusioned and go
> away. Now he is not say
i.e., most >would agree that scientific evidence for evolution is more than adequate >to dispute the literal creationism of Genesis
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I saw a movie a long ago with Max VonSidow (sic). He turns on his tv once a year to see if anything has changed. He says (one of my favorite movie lines), "If Jesus Christ came back and saw all the things being said or done in his name, He would never stop puking."
That, for me, is an excellent su
enjoy watching and talking about the movie...).
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Smith
Alverno College
Milwaukee
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seduced by science (while
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>i.e., most
>>would agree that scientific evidence for evolution is more than adequate
>>to dispute the literal creationism of Genesis
>
>
>
>The theories of evolution and Genesis are not necessarily incompatible.
Evolution is a fact; natural selection is a theory that accounts for it.
Genesi
>
> >i.e., most
> >>would agree that scientific evidence for evolution is more than adequate
> >>to dispute the literal creationism of Genesis
> >
> >
> >
> >The theories of evolution and Genesis are not necessarily incompatible.
>
>Evolution is a fact; natural selection is a theory that accoun
Hi
On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Richard Pisacreta wrote:
> I also believe that evolution is a fact. Species are not
> static. Anyone who breeds animals knows that. Last time I
> looked, the literature still refers to it as "Darwin's
> theories of evolution", as did the recent PBS series. Few
> dispute evo
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