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James M. Clark
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Back on December 22, 2005, I boldly proposed the heresy that
Intelligent Design
(ID, that sham for creation science which is itself a sham for Biblical
creation
Back on December 22, 2005, I boldly proposed the heresy that Intelligent Design
(ID, that sham for creation science which is itself a sham for Biblical
creation myths) should be taught in the classroom. What I had in mind was not
an uncritical presentation, but an examination of ID claims in
An intelligent being who got the ball rolling seems to my
simple mind much more logical than there was nothing
that caused that ball to exist but yet IT DOES and
moreover the ball keeps getting more and more
sophisticated by a long string of miracles
Paul Brandon:
The problem is the next
It just seems that I am to accept one incredible coincidence
after another to go from no universe to very complex one,
and more than that, the incredible circumstances that all
had to occur in order for intelligent life to be on earth.
Christopher Green:
It sounds to me like you
At 10:10 AM -0500 1/5/06, Jim Guinee wrote:
It just seems that I am to accept one incredible coincidence
after another to go from no universe to very complex one,
and more than that, the incredible circumstances that all
had to occur in order for intelligent life to be on earth.
Long Beach City College-Original Message-From: Jim Guinee [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences tips@acsun.frostburg.eduSent: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:59:08 -0500Subject: Re: ID ruling
An intelligent being who got the ball rolling seems to my
simple mind much more lo
At 9:59 AM -0500 1/5/06, Jim Guinee wrote:
An intelligent being who got the ball rolling seems to my
simple mind much more logical than there was nothing
that caused that ball to exist but yet IT DOES and
moreover the ball keeps getting more and more
sophisticated by a long string of
Hi
James M. Clark
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Which is why many religionists (contrary to what some propose) aren't
opposed to evolution, not generally speaking, anyway.
Too much black and white on this,
/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2004/02_february/26/world_god.shtml
Allen Esterson
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Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:10:02 -0500
Author: Gary Klatsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: ID ruling
I just returned from visiting my daughter in London. When I told her about
the Dover ruling
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Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:10:02 -0500
Author: Gary Klatsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: ID ruling
I just returned from visiting my daughter in London. When I told her about the Dover ruling she made an interesting comment. In the UK where there is a state religion
At 6:27 PM -0500 1/2/06, Christopher D. Green wrote:
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Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:10:02 -0500
Author: Gary Klatsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: ID ruling
I just returned from visiting my daughter in London. When I told
her about the Dover ruling she made an interesting
At 11:24 PM -0600 12/31/05, jim guinee wrote:
It just seems that I am to accept one incredible coincidence
after another to go from no universe to very complex one,
and more than that, the incredible circumstances that all
had to occur in order for intelligent life to be on earth.
That does not
At 11:24 PM -0600 12/31/05, jim guinee wrote:
It just seems that I am to accept one incredible coincidence
after another to go from no universe to very complex one,
and more than that, the incredible circumstances that all
had to occur in order for intelligent life to be on earth.
It sounds
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences
Subject: Re: ID ruling
From: Shearon, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jim- I'm not sure why that is puzzling to you. A fact is something that =
did happen at one time. It in no way implies that the excact same thing =
has to be even possible again.
Oh, you're
I just returned from visiting my daughter in London. When I told her about
the Dover ruling she made an interesting comment. In the UK where there is
a state religion and during religious holidays like Christmas everything is
shut down, there is less intrusion of religion into civil matters.
On 1 Jan 2006, at 16:37 PM, Shearon, Tim wrote, among other things:BTW- does that mean one can't still have faith- I think not. It never ceases to amaze me why some make this whole issue one of either evolution OR faith. I can't help but think that any and all supreme beings would find such narrow
should change or else!!!
Peace.
Tim
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From: Robert Wildblood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sun 1/1/2006 3:13 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences
Subject: Re: ID ruling
On 1 Jan 2006, at 16:37 PM, Shearon, Tim wrote, among other things:
BTW- does that mean
From: Shearon, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jim- I'm not sure why that is puzzling to you. A fact is something that =
did happen at one time. It in no way implies that the excact same thing =
has to be even possible again.
Oh, you're quite right.
I should have been more specific than flippant.
It
jim guinee wrote:
Apologists for the ID argument will no doubt cite (among others)
Polkinghorne,
theoretical physicist and colleague of Stephen Hawking, who writes:
In the early expansion of the universe, there has to been a close
balance between the expansive energy (driving things apart)
On 30 Dec 2005 at 0:07, jim guinee wrote:
Apologists for the ID argument will no doubt cite (among others)
Polkinghorne, theoretical physicist snip [says]
(The possibility of our existence) requires a balance between the
effects of expansion and contraction which at a very early epoch in
Title: Re: ID ruling
At 12:07 AM -0600 12/30/05, jim guinee wrote:
I at least have read enough to know that
there are plenty of scientists out
there, non-religious ones, who find many flaws with evolution, but
those like Dawkins who scream it's a FACT shout down and
intimidate
those who disagree
jim guinee wrote:
Apologists for the ID argument will no doubt cite (among others)
Polkinghorne,
theoretical physicist and colleague of Stephen Hawking, who writes:
In the early expansion of the universe, there has to been a close
balance between the expansive energy (driving things apart)
Hi
James M. Clark
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At 12:07 AM -0600 12/30/05, jim guinee wrote:
I at least have read enough to know that there are plenty of scientists out
there, non-religious ones, who find many
Stephen J. Gould is one of many biologists who has strongly asserted the
evolution as fact and theory position
Jim G:
I always thought it odd that he asserted it as fact, but also argued
it could never happen again.
But what do I know?
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At 7:56 PM -0500 12/30/05, Jim Guinee wrote:
Stephen J. Gould is one of many biologists who has strongly asserted the
evolution as fact and theory position
Jim G:
I always thought it odd that he asserted it as fact, but also argued
He asserted that it was a fact that species had evolved the
Sciences
Subject: Re: ID ruling
Stephen J. Gould is one of many biologists who has strongly asserted the
evolution as fact and theory position
Jim G:
I always thought it odd that he asserted it as fact, but also argued
it could never happen again.
But what do I know?
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You are currently
Just a few notes from me on Jim's thoughtful (and depressing) response to my
proposal that
we should teach the controversy, and how we should do it:
On 22 Dec 2005 at 12:38, Jim Clark wrote:
I would be cautious about inferring from such actions, or the
positions of professional bodies, what
On 20 Dec 2005 at 12:49, Scott Lilienfeld wrote:
I'm of course pleased to hear about the judge's decision, although some news
outlets, like CNN, are already describing it as banning ID theory from
being mentioned in biology classes (see www.cnn.com).
snip
Much as I feel strongly that ID
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Subject: Re: ID ruling
On 20 Dec 2005 at 12:49, Scott Lilienfeld wrote:
I'm of course pleased to hear about the judge's decision, although some news
outlets, like CNN, are already describing it as banning ID theory from
being mentioned in biology classes (see
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To: Teaching in the Psychological I'd go further. I support the heresy
(from the science camp standpoint) that ID
_should_ be taught in the classroom. For two reasons:
1) Refusing to discuss ID in the classroom, when ID has been
Hi
There are at least several problems with Stephen's eminently sensible
suggestions below.
1. The level of science education of school teachers. I do not know
the current literature, but at least historically science students were
less likely to choose education as a profession and were more
On 22 Dec 2005 at 8:26, Horton, Joseph J. wrote:
So is there a book Stephen, or other Tipsters, that you would reccomend that
would provide responses to these claims? Ideally such a work would have
explanations that would be understandable by undergrads in psychology, or
psychology
I would also wonder what there would be to prevent other interests from
forcing the same kind of consideration for their views (Moon landing
hoaxes, Holocaust denials, homeopathy, etc.). Even the ID proponents
should ask themselves if they really want to face the consequences of
policy of doggedly
On 22 Dec 2005 at 8:51, Jim Clark wrote:
There are at least several problems with Stephen's eminently sensible
suggestions below [my proposal that ID should be taught in the classroom in
order to refute its claims]
I think Jim is too pessimistic about what can be done.
1. The level of
Hi
James M. Clark
Professor of Psychology
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On 22 Dec 2005 at 8:51, Jim Clark wrote:
There are at least several problems with Stephen's eminently sensible
suggestions below [my proposal that ID should be
Judge Jones' Opinion on the Dover ID case contains several references to
the testimony of Science Studies Professor of Sociology Steve Fuller.
These are listed on the website:
http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/12/and_a_shout_out.html
The clever idea of ID proponents to call Fuller as a
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, Allen Esterson went:
http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmiller/kitzmiller_342.pdf
As stated, our conclusion today is that it is unconstitutional to teach
ID as an alternative to evolution in a public school science classroom
(p.137)
But there's nothing in the ruling
This link will take you to a story from the Lynchburg News and Advance. It has
a reaction to the ruling from the Liberty Counsel. Those are the folks who
along with Fox News are working so hard to save Christmas.
http://tinyurl.com/exb7t
Here is a quote from Jerry Falwell: I am convinced
With all of the recent discussion concerning ID, a ruling against it has
been just read in the Pennsylvania case.
www.chicagotribune.com
I'm sure it's also in the other online papers as well.
Jodi
Jodi Gabert
Reed City HS
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to refer to a
religious, alternative theory known as ID.
It would be nice to think that this ends the push for ID in the
schools, but I'm not holding my breath.
-Don.
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Date: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:21 am
Subject: ID ruling
ernative theory known as ID."
It would be nice to think that this ends the push for ID in the
schools, but I'm not holding my breath.
-Don.
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From: Mamma Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:21 am
Subject: ID ruling
With all of t
On 20 December 2005 Scott Lilienfeld wrote:
I'm of course pleased to hear about the judge's decision, although some
news outlets, like CNN, are already describing it as banning ID theory
from being mentioned in biology classes (see www.cnn.com).
Does anyone know if this is accurate, or is
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