Re: Re:[tips] Why Do People Need A College B.A.?

2011-10-24 Thread Claudia Stanny
Annette's story highlights the difficult problem confronting students (and new Ph.D.s applying for jobs): All the credentials and expertise in the world won't help if interests and expertise don't fit the program or if the program has no openings. Sometimes life is not fair. Sometimes strategies

RE: Re:[tips] Why Do People Need A College B.A.?

2011-10-24 Thread Annette Taylor
l Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re:[tips] Why Do People Need A College B.A.? Mike Wiliams wrote (among other observations): "We routinely reject applicants for grad school who have the publication credentials of people we recently hired as assistant professors." >From my personal experienc

Re:[tips] Why Do People Need A College B.A.?

2011-10-24 Thread William Scott
Bob Wildblood sez: I think we are facing a qualifications inflation as well as a possible grade inflation problem. - Of course the two are probably related. Perhaps in the past as well as now the requirements for a position have always been having the credentials that indicate you are

Re:[tips] Why Do People Need A College B.A.?

2011-10-24 Thread Dr. Bob Wildblood
Mike Wiliams wrote (among other observations): "We routinely reject applicants for grad school who have the publication credentials of people we recently hired as assistant professors." >From my personal experience, I know that from the first institution at which I worked, I achieved the rank o

Re:[tips] Why Do People Need A College B.A.?

2011-10-23 Thread Mike Wiliams
There is a line in the original The Godfather book that has always stuck with me: Anyone can learn anyone else's job in about six weeks. (My quote may not be 100% accurate.) I ponder that from time to time. Although it might take a lot of education to be any physician (or accountant or psychol

Re: [tips] Why Do People Need A College B.A.?

2011-10-23 Thread Brandon, Paul K
Interesting! I taught a lot of first generation college students over 40 years; many of them didn't get a lot of support from their families (who were lucky to support themselves, financially and otherwise), but I don't recall hearing about a lot of actual resistance. In some cases, they were i

Re: [tips] Why Do People Need A College B.A.?

2011-10-23 Thread Paul C Bernhardt
I really appreciate this being said by Jim. We have a large number of first generation college students at our university. My awareness of their unique situations has increased in the 4 years I've been here. I'd honestly never before thought much of it due to ignorance and my personal upbringin

Re: [tips] Why Do People Need A College B.A.?

2011-10-23 Thread Mike Palij
Briefly (because I'm watching Isaacson tell us what a crazy mofo and son of a bitch Steve Jobs was), I think that the subtext is not that colleges can or should produce millionaires/billionaires but rather millionaires/billionaires don't need college. The characteristics that make for very wealthy

Re: [tips] Why Do People Need A College B.A.?

2011-10-23 Thread Jim Clark
Hi Although I have not read the book or the article (too far along the road of cynicism about USA politics and public dialogue already), I guess I never thought that we were trying to educate millionaires or billionaires. Surely every other statistic, economic and otherwise, would pretty much fav