RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Mladen Turk
Graham Leggett wrote: > Can you look at the comments at > http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=30260 - > apparently this may be a Windows specific problem. > Could be, or not. If for example after connect I write: if (rv == 730048) { apr_socket_close(*newsock); *newsock =

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Costin Manolache
Remy Maucherat wrote: Graham Leggett wrote: Remy Maucherat wrote: It's cool to have one less thing to configure, but it seems to me jvmRoute is the most reliable and efficient way of doing stickiness Can you describe the jvmRoute method to me? It's really dumb: we append the node name to the sess

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Graham Leggett
Mladen Turk wrote: If you turn the loglevel to debug then there is no error messages (although everything is by the order of magnitude slower), so the closing algorithm is correct. The problem is IMHO that you are using a socket (presuming it is free) still served by the bucket brigade, but I may b

RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Mladen Turk
Graham Leggett wrote: > > used for an existing socket, or a socket that was not > closed properly, or one that is still in the process of closing. > > > For server applications that need to bind multiple sockets > to the same > > port number, consider using set

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Graham Leggett
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Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

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Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread jean-frederic clere
Graham Leggett wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: Not for each request but each time http makes a new connection to Tomcat. We have to cache the result of apr_sockaddr_info_get(). Added to bugzilla as a request for enhancement (so this doesn't fall through the cracks). That is PR 30259. Regards, G

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Graham Leggett
Mladen Turk wrote: OS error 10048 means: Typically, only one usage of each socket address (protocol/IP address/port) is permitted. This error occurs if an application attempts to bind a socket to an IP address/port that has already been used for an existing socket, or a socket that was not closed p

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Graham Leggett
Mladen Turk wrote: We had a same problen in jk for over two years now. The problem is that you will need at least: Line 1037 in proxy_util.c: /* make the connection out of the socket */ do { rv = apr_socket_connect(*newsock, backend_addr); } while (APR_STATUS_IS_

RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Mladen Turk
Graham Leggett wrote: > > So if I committed the above patch to httpd v2.1.0-dev would > you be in a position to test it? > No, I've tested it. Still has the same error messages. OS error 10048 means: Typically, only one usage of each socket address (protocol/IP address/port) is permitted. This

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Graham Leggett
jean-frederic clere wrote: Not for each request but each time http makes a new connection to Tomcat. We have to cache the result of apr_sockaddr_info_get(). Added to bugzilla as a request for enhancement (so this doesn't fall through the cracks). Regards, Graham -- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Graham Leggett
Mladen Turk wrote: /* make the connection out of the socket */ do { rv = apr_socket_connect(*newsock, backend_addr); } while (APR_STATUS_IS_EINTR(rv)); One further question (I am not 100% clued up on the workings of apr's socket handling) - would a situation ev

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread jean-frederic clere
Remy Maucherat wrote: Graham Leggett wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: I also I have some (40) errors with concurrency 300 but Tomcat and Apache are in 2 different machines: +++ [Thu Jul 22 11:39:39 2004] [error] [client 172.25.182.35] proxy: > DNS lookup failure for: pgtr0327.mch.fsc.net returne

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Graham Leggett
Mladen Turk wrote: All are exactly the same: [error] (OS 10048)Only one usage of each socket address (protocol/network address/port) is normally permitted. : proxy: HTTP: attempt to connect to 127.0.0.1:8080 (localhost) failed Ok. We had a same problen in jk for over two years now. The problem is

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Graham Leggett
Remy Maucherat wrote: > DNS lookup failure for: pgtr0327.mch.fsc.net returned by ^^ It's not normal there's a DNS lookup on each request. Why does it happen ? In the config it was set to connect to a DNS name, which has to be resolved - but httpd doesn't do any caching of this (

RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Mladen Turk
Remy Maucherat wrote: > +1 on using a real OS ;) Well, you could also use a real programming language for start ;-). MT. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature

RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Mladen Turk
Graham Leggett wrote: > Mladen Turk wrote: > > > BTW, the errors reported comes from mod_proxy. > > What are the errors though, and do they come from mod_proxy > or mod_proxy_http? > All are exactly the same: [error] (OS 10048)Only one usage of each socket address (protocol/network address/

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Remy Maucherat
Graham Leggett wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: I also I have some (40) errors with concurrency 300 but Tomcat and Apache are in 2 different machines: +++ [Thu Jul 22 11:39:39 2004] [error] [client 172.25.182.35] proxy: > DNS lookup failure for: pgtr0327.mch.fsc.net returned by

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Graham Leggett
jean-frederic clere wrote: I also I have some (40) errors with concurrency 300 but Tomcat and Apache are in 2 different machines: +++ [Thu Jul 22 11:39:39 2004] [error] [client 172.25.182.35] proxy: > DNS lookup failure for: pgtr0327.mch.fsc.net returned by ^^ /examples/servlet/H

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Remy Maucherat
Graham Leggett wrote: Remy Maucherat wrote: It's cool to have one less thing to configure, but it seems to me jvmRoute is the most reliable and efficient way of doing stickiness Can you describe the jvmRoute method to me? It's really dumb: we append the node name to the session id when it's gene

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Graham Leggett
Mladen Turk wrote: BTW, the errors reported comes from mod_proxy. What are the errors though, and do they come from mod_proxy or mod_proxy_http? It would be a huge help to the people using proxy (ie for non tomcat related stuff) if we could find and fix these error conditions under load. Regard

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Graham Leggett
Remy Maucherat wrote: It's cool to have one less thing to configure, but it seems to me jvmRoute is the most reliable and efficient way of doing stickiness Can you describe the jvmRoute method to me? (the cookie way is intrusive, and the IP way is highly inaccurate). I agree on the IP way being i

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Graham Leggett
Tim Funk wrote: I'm not sure of the status so far, but I'd like to summarize a strawman. I have no idea how to code this at this time or if it can be done. No problem, we drill down into the details as we go along :) *Config* [Feel free to change the names] ProxyClient http://server1/config.xml Pr

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Graham Leggett
Filip Hanik - Dev wrote: I suppose in this case the load balancer would run HOOK_MIDDLE, and sticky would run HOOK_LAST. cool, and then have the server just try them in that order? ie, if the sticky server went down, it just takes the next one from the list (and that list should be ordered well s

RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Mladen Turk
Henri Gomez wrote: > > > > Very strange and totally unusable at least on WIN32. > > Well ab running on Win32 didn't very stable ;( > Yeah, sure :) WTF then mod_jk doesn't produce such errors ? BTW, the errors reported comes from mod_proxy. MT. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic s

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread jean-frederic clere
Mladen Turk wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: [error] (OS 10048)Only one usage of each socket address (protocol/network address/port) is normally permitted. : proxy: HTTP: attempt to connect to 127.0.0.1:8080 (localhost) failed Anyone has a clue where and why those error messages comes fro

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Henri Gomez
Mladen Turk wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: [error] (OS 10048)Only one usage of each socket address (protocol/network address/port) is normally permitted. : proxy: HTTP: attempt to connect to 127.0.0.1:8080 (localhost) failed Anyone has a clue where and why those error messages comes fro

RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Mladen Turk
jean-frederic clere wrote: > > > > [error] (OS 10048)Only one usage of each socket address > > (protocol/network > > address/port) is normally permitted. : proxy: HTTP: attempt to > > connect to 127.0.0.1:8080 (localhost) failed > > > > Anyone has a clue where and why those error messages

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread jean-frederic clere
Mladen Turk wrote: Ab -n 1 Time taken for tests: 239.614549 seconds Complete requests: 1 Failed requests:7011 So, mod_proxy is a lot slower and doesn't handle load. (Perhaps increasing http listeners on TC would help). Increasing the maxThreads to 350 and acceptCount to 30

RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Mladen Turk
> > Ab -n 1 > > Time taken for tests: 239.614549 seconds > Complete requests: 1 > Failed requests:7011 > > So, mod_proxy is a lot slower and doesn't handle load. > (Perhaps increasing http listeners on TC would help). > Increasing the maxThreads to 350 and acceptCount to

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread David Rees
Remy Maucherat wrote, On 7/21/2004 11:33 PM: The changes would have to be simple, and non intrusive performance wise. Otherwise, I'm going to prefer AJP ;) Speaking about performance, did anyone do a comparison of mod_proxy against mod_jk to see how good/bad it is ? This is really important info

RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Mladen Turk
jean-frederic clere wrote: > > I am looking to get the sessionid: > - By reading request_rec->unparsed_uri or request_rec->uri. > - By reading the cooky from request_rec->headers_in. > > How do I read the sessionid in the response? > Good point. We'll need something like mod_proxy_html or somet

RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Mladen Turk
In previous mail I forgot one crucial result: Ab -n 1000 directly to TC Time taken for tests: 1.882708 seconds Ab -n 1 directly to TC Time taken for tests: 17.244797 seconds I'll leave the calculation to others. MT. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature

RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread Mladen Turk
Remy Maucherat wrote: > Speaking about performance, did anyone do a comparison of > mod_proxy against mod_jk to see how good/bad it is ? This is > really important information IMO, and I don't see how a > decision can be made without it. > Results a quite impressive, good question Remy :)

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-22 Thread jean-frederic clere
Mladen Turk wrote: Filip Hanik wrote: really, so then there is no fail over. Yes there are. In Jk default is to fail over always. The JK2 has a routeRedirect to handle such cases (but not strictly). If the routeRedirect is down it will still fail over, which is probably incorrect. cause that i

RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Mladen Turk
Filip Hanik wrote: > > really, so then there is no fail over. Yes there are. In Jk default is to fail over always. The JK2 has a routeRedirect to handle such cases (but not strictly). If the routeRedirect is down it will still fail over, which is probably incorrect. > cause that is what fail

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Remy Maucherat
Tim Funk wrote: *Changes to tomcat* Add a proxy mode flag to allow for the X- headers to pass authentication and other variables. Add to the manager(?) app and method to expose all the URL spaces availble. Minor changes to fix getRemoteAddr() to show the client, not the apache server. Pros - Si

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Remy Maucherat
Filip Hanik - Dev wrote: ok, there are two very simple memory friendly ways to do sticky load balancing. And as a matter of fact, this is how some hardware loadbalancers do it. 1. Set a cookie on the clients machine - no server memory to hold a map 2. If the client doesn't accept cookies, do a simp

RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Filip Hanik \(lists\)
: Tim Funk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:17 PM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev I'm not sure of the status so far, but I'd like to summarize a strawman. I have no idea how to code this at

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Tim Funk
I'm not sure of the status so far, but I'd like to summarize a strawman. I have no idea how to code this at this time or if it can be done. -- *Config* [Feel free to change the names] ProxyClient http://server1/config.xml ProxyClient http://server2/config.xml ProxyClient h

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Costin Manolache
essage - From: "Mladen Turk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Tomcat Developers List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 11:30 AM Subject: RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev Filip Hanik wrote: The curre

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Filip Hanik - Dev
s List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 2:00 PM Subject: RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev Filip Hanik wrote: > > >I suppose in this case the load balancer would run HOOK_MIDDLE, and > >sticky would run HOO

RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Mladen Turk
Filip Hanik wrote: > > >I suppose in this case the load balancer would run HOOK_MIDDLE, and > >sticky would run HOOK_LAST. > > cool, and then have the server just try them in that order? > ie, if the sticky server went down, it just takes the next > one from the list (and that list should b

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Viktor Hevesi
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Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Filip Hanik - Dev
om the LB algorithm) correct assumption? Filip - Original Message - From: "Mladen Turk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Tomcat Developers List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to

RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Mladen Turk
Graham Leggett wrote: > > > Yes, but why would you wish to separate those? > > Because they are two separate behaviours that could quite > easily be used independantly of each other. > OK, it makes sense. > > > I'm not that familiar with mod_proxy code, so please no > hooks, not jet > >

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Graham Leggett
Mladen Turk wrote: Yes, but why would you wish to separate those? Because they are two separate behaviours that could quite easily be used independantly of each other. I would probably use the stickiness long before I started messing around with load balancing. I'm not that familiar with mod_pr

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Viktor Hevesi
Dobry den, nizsie uvedeny mail NEBOL DORUCENY. Dopiste, prosim, k predmetu mailu "NIE SPAM" a znova ho poslite. V buducich mailoch uz "NIE SPAM" pisat nemusite. Antispamovy filter Oddych.sk Nedoruceny mail: MT> Graham Leggett wrote: >> > sticky sessions are tightly coupled with the loa

RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Mladen Turk
Graham Leggett wrote: > > sticky sessions are tightly coupled with the load > balancer > > itself and the way it decides the client route. > > In theory sticky sessions shouldn't be tightly coupled like > this - it should be a case of "plan a) stick to the same > server, else revert to pla

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Viktor Hevesi
Dobry den, nizsie uvedeny mail NEBOL DORUCENY. Dopiste, prosim, k predmetu mailu "NIE SPAM" a znova ho poslite. V buducich mailoch uz "NIE SPAM" pisat nemusite. Antispamovy filter Oddych.sk Nedoruceny mail: GL> Mladen Turk wrote: >> Ok, just wanted to clear if we are going to make another

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Graham Leggett
Mladen Turk wrote: Ok, just wanted to clear if we are going to make another compromise :), since sticky sessions are tightly coupled with the load balancer itself and the way it decides the client route. In theory sticky sessions shouldn't be tightly coupled like this - it should be a case of "pla

RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Mladen Turk
Filip Hanik wrote: > > I didn't say anything about "just simple round robin" > the algorithm for distribution can be entirely separate from > the "stickiness" as they are two separate things. The > distribution algorithm, (round robin, load, random, etc) is > separate and should not be confu

Re: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Filip Hanik - Dev
x27;" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 11:30 AM Subject: RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev Filip Hanik wrote: > > The current jvmRoute addition to JSESSIONID is not really > needed, since it doesn't add that much of a

RE: Simple Sticky LB WAS: Invitation to HTTPD commiters in tomcat-dev

2004-07-21 Thread Mladen Turk
Filip Hanik wrote: > > The current jvmRoute addition to JSESSIONID is not really > needed, since it doesn't add that much of a benefit over the > two options above. So right then and there, there is one less > thing to configure. > Ok, If we'll make a lb for a mod_proxy, then at least it w