Re: [Trisquel-users] How to be sure that the source code I see is the source code I get?

2013-04-30 Thread leny2010
I don't think that actually self-compiling all the source necessarily follows from the free software freedom to have it. One small part of Trisquel, the kernel, passed a million lines of code years ago, so what benefit do you gain from merely compiling what you are unlikely to have read? Wh

Re: [Trisquel-users] FSF Certifies Atheros-Based ThinkPenguin 802.11 N USB Adapter

2013-04-30 Thread alonivtsan
I just opened the link on ThinkPenguin's website: https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-usb-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb There seems to be a typo. Trisquel 6.5 is supported but I have no idea when it will be released :) I'm guessing the card should work out of the box on

[Trisquel-users] FSF Certifies Atheros-Based ThinkPenguin 802.11 N USB Adapter

2013-04-30 Thread alonivtsan
Story on Slashdot: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/04/30/2251252/fsf-certifies-atheros-based-thinkpenguin-80211-n-usb-adapter

Re: [Trisquel-users] A game with free code, but non-free art & music - why not in the repos?

2013-04-30 Thread lutheroto
IMO, math and function calls definately count as software code. Besides, the FSF guidelines require that data be licensed to allow commercial use, and the Frogatto license forbids commercial use.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Multiple desktop's

2013-04-30 Thread matt . ivie
In Trisquel 6.0 Toutatis I have noticed that the Gnome panel workspace switcher doesn't really mesh well with compiz. If you know why I'd be happy to know but otherwise, just a heads up.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Distributing copies of Trisquel at an Anime convention.

2013-04-30 Thread tegskywalker
This reminds me of "back in the day" when MKV came out and gained traction due Anime fans loving it for the flexibility of the format (embedded subtitles and multiple tracks) and distribution on file sharing networks.

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to be sure that the source code I see is the source code I get?

2013-04-30 Thread leny2010
I was approximating just having one difference of opinion at once. :-) Yes, Theology, the study subject, is referred to as a science in older English (C19 say) texts. However, Quirilo (Q) used the terms religion and faith in conjunction and they are not scientific by any standard definition.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Should Trisquel add a firewall by default

2013-04-30 Thread alex
agreed. Trisquel should turn it on.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Multiple desktop's

2013-04-30 Thread alex
lol, do you find these things in the doc's?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Multiple desktop's

2013-04-30 Thread alex
Wow, what a way to hide this nice feature! Anyway that worked great thank you.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Multiple desktop's

2013-04-30 Thread onpon4
Also, if you hold Alt (or maybe it's Alt+Super, I'm not sure) and right click on the panel, you can add a workspace switcher, among other things.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Multiple desktop's

2013-04-30 Thread icarolongo
Super + S or Ctrl + Alt + right key. Super = Command on Apple keyboard or Windows logo

[Trisquel-users] Multiple desktop's

2013-04-30 Thread alex
I would like to know how to enable multiple desktop's on trisquel? I've looked everywhere. I like the look of this desktop so I would like to keep it. If I can't I'll just install gnome3

[Trisquel-users] Should Trisquel add a firewall by default

2013-04-30 Thread achilles0101
Since port 22(ssh), 445/139 (Samba) are listening on all interfaces and started up by default, shouldn't Trisquel add a firewall and turn it on by default? I know I can easily stop the services, but this is a security issue for new Linux users who just move from Windows to Linux. I know Ubunt

Re: [Trisquel-users] A game with free code, but non-free art & music - why not in the repos?

2013-04-30 Thread onpon4
I took a look, and although there is some basic math and some sort of function calling, I'm not so sure that those are software. For the most part, they're just data files, with a format similar to JSON. Any actual function must come from the main program. Unless there's something I'm missi

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to be sure that the source code I see is the source code I get?

2013-04-30 Thread shiretoko
"Contrary to your requirement for measurement, botanical and biological classifications are not based on numbers, and are most definitely science." Since I accepted Quiliro's view of a measurement ("it is, or it is not; 0 and 1"), botanical and biological issues are of course scientific ones. F

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to be sure that the source code I see is the source code I get?

2013-04-30 Thread Andrew M . Lindley
You use a peculiarly limited definition of 'science.' According to The Dictionary (that is the Oxford English Dictionary) science is characterised by concern with knowledge and theory. Philosophy can properly be called a science. The four software freedoms are a work of philosophy and theref

Re: [Trisquel-users] New Trisquel mirror in Montreal

2013-04-30 Thread Jason Self
You also need to tell someone if you want to be added to the official mirror list. See https://trisquel.info/en/contact

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel in press

2013-04-30 Thread john . wilkins21
A good read

Re: [Trisquel-users] Do MSi DRM their Wifi? Anyone using an MSi U135DX?

2013-04-30 Thread leny2010
I tested & bought it. It's a MSi U135DX MS-N104, the WiFi works, Integrated Intel Gfx works with 3D, Sound works, Ethernet works. But the Bluetooth and the SD slot don't. The Touchpad is limited to basic PS/2 mouse operation (as in no multi-touch, finger scroll, or gestures). It's 64-bit c

Re: [Trisquel-users] Not getting the ability to upgrade

2013-04-30 Thread gustavo_cm
janitor does more than that -- to me, it offers to remove any package which is not on the repos I use, like libdvdcss2 which I installed by running /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh --; you should be safe using only "autoremove" and "clean". To know which linux-* packages are instal

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to be sure that the source code I see is the source code I get?

2013-04-30 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
I guess you have a right to your own definitions. You are playing with semantics. The point is that we can set a set of parameters and define something by those terms. For me, that is science. Ergo: freedom is scientific; religion is not. If you don't define it that way, that is OK with me. --

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to be sure that the source code I see is the source code I get?

2013-04-30 Thread shiretoko
I absolutely disagree. Your measurement only works because some people gave a definition of freedom for some certain cases - very limited ones! With this definition, you're able to count how many programs fulfil the requirements - and yes, this is kind of a measurement. But think of beauty.

[Trisquel-users] New Trisquel mirror in Montreal

2013-04-30 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
Hi I am in the process of requesting a new mirror for Trisquel in Montreal. Other than this: https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/mirroring-trisquel ... what else is required? Thanks for any information. Cheers, Fabian -- Fabián Rodríguez http://trisquel.magicfab.ca signature.asc Description:

Re: [Trisquel-users] Not getting the ability to upgrade

2013-04-30 Thread gustavo_cm
No problems :-)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser very frequent crashes

2013-04-30 Thread gustavo_cm
"Segmentation fault" means memory management problems. I would install "memtest86+" reboot the system and choose MemTest in GRUB menu; if it accuses no errors after completing a test cicle, I would bet there is some bug in your software -- have you checked the integrity of the installation me

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to be sure that the source code I see is the source code I get?

2013-04-30 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
El 30/04/13 12:47, shiret...@web.de escribió: > A measurement quantifies a certain object or event; it gives them a > number in physical units. > In this sense, you can't quantify the freedom you have; > If this would be possible, you would have to make an action (the > measurement) which gives you

Re: [Trisquel-users] Customizing functions of keys

2013-04-30 Thread gustavo_cm
I've tested Cinnamon and KDE in Trisquel and both work fine :-) In order to install KDE in Trisquel, one needs only to install the "triskel" metapackage -- which is a bit like installing Kubuntu instead of Ubuntu; on text-mode installation, one can choose that instead of "trisquel".

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to be sure that the source code I see is the source code I get?

2013-04-30 Thread shiretoko
A measurement quantifies a certain object or event; it gives them a number in physical units. In this sense, you can't quantify the freedom you have; If this would be possible, you would have to make an action (the measurement) which gives you back a concrete number. This number would show "yo

Re: [Trisquel-users] Card that works on HP Pavilion DV4

2013-04-30 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
El 23/04/13 01:07, Quiliro Ordóñez escribió: > El 22/04/13 23:51, mikko.viinam...@students.turkuamk.fi escribió: >> Apparently it will not boot at all. >> >> http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware/Mini_PCIe_slot_restrictions_on_wireless_cards >> >> >> > "There are ways around this by modifying

Re: [Trisquel-users] Package to detect non-free firmware on other distros

2013-04-30 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
El 30/04/13 11:29, Jason Self escribió: > Quiliro Ordóñez asked: > >> A package in this >> line of thought would be useful. It could also advertise distros which >> contain only free firmware (and software). > You mean like http://www.gnu.org/distros ? :) Yes. -- Saludos libres, Quiliro Ordóñez

Re: [Trisquel-users] A game with free code, but non-free art & music - why not in the repos?

2013-04-30 Thread lutheroto
Good question. Here's a link to the code on Github: https://github.com/frogatto/frogatto The LICENSE file says that only the C++ code in 'src' is under the GPL. The 'data' directory contains FFL code. I found out way back when the game was announced on the Wesnoth forums before the 1.0 rele

Re: [Trisquel-users] Package to detect non-free firmware on other distros

2013-04-30 Thread Jason Self
Quiliro Ordóñez asked: > That is a fine list. Would it be possible to use this list to check a > running kernel for the use of these files in order to tell the users > they have non free software running on their systems? Probably but it seems to me that there are two problems: 1. A distribution

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to be sure that the source code I see is the source code I get?

2013-04-30 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
El 26/04/13 08:02, shiret...@web.de escribió: > Freedom is not a scientific measurable quantity. You can recognize how > many degrees of freedom a physical system has; you can measure the > behaviour of a gas under certain conditions, you can measure pressure, > temperature and its volume and concl

[Trisquel-users] Package to detect non-free firmware on other distros

2013-04-30 Thread Quiliro Ordóñez
El 30/04/13 09:41, Fabian Rodriguez escribió: > Speaking of firmware, the Linux Libre kernel changelogs gives a good > indication of which USB DVB cards to *avoid*, this list includes all > that would nbeed to load non-free firmware: > http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/releases/3.9-gnu/l

Re: [Trisquel-users] TiVo solution

2013-04-30 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
On 2013-04-30 10:02, holger.be...@gmail.com wrote: > > By the way: HDHomeRun seem to rely on firmware as well: > > From: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HDHomeRun > ... > Download firmware > The latest firmware is available from the SiliconDust website. > ... > > The question is though what li

Re: [Trisquel-users] TiVo solution

2013-04-30 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
On 2013-04-30 10:00, holger.be...@gmail.com wrote: > Pascal, do not buy any evil USB / PCI / PCIe device which relies on bad > closed firmware...stick to the less flexible solution & functionality > which a standard STB offers. Actually, I am fairly certain Chris @ ThinkPenguin found a solution fo

Re: [Trisquel-users] TiVo solution

2013-04-30 Thread mikko . viinamaki
@Darksoul71 That was aimed at you.

Re: [Trisquel-users] TiVo solution

2013-04-30 Thread holger . beetz
@lembas: Srythis was not obvious to me... By the way: HDHomeRun seem to rely on firmware as well: From: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HDHomeRun ... Download firmware The latest firmware is available from the SiliconDust website. ... The question is though what license this firmware has.

Re: [Trisquel-users] TiVo solution

2013-04-30 Thread holger . beetz
@lembas: Or was this targeting me because of "suggesting" hardware which relies on non-free firmware ? OK, then...accepted: Pascal, do not buy any evil USB / PCI / PCIe device which relies on bad closed firmware...stick to the less flexible solution & functionality which a standard STB offe

Re: [Trisquel-users] TiVo solution

2013-04-30 Thread holger . beetz
@Lembas: I do not see an issue with th HD Homerun network tuners that Fabian refers to. They are not an integral part of a Trisquel-based PC but connected to the LAN. Unless firmware is required for accessing them for recording, I see nothing that is non-free.

Re: [Trisquel-users] TiVo solution

2013-04-30 Thread mikko . viinamaki
>This is of course not FSF-compliant. Then please don't suggest it here.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel in press

2013-04-30 Thread adel . afzal
Thanks for the article, I'll check this out

Re: [Trisquel-users] Beneficial Proprietary?

2013-04-30 Thread Michael Mehrazar
On Apr 29, 2013 11:35 PM, wrote: > > What is "Grovel?" Seconded. The only thing I could possibly guess is "Google", but that doesn't sound right at all.

Re: [Trisquel-users] TiVo solution

2013-04-30 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
On 2013-04-30 04:53, holger.be...@gmail.com wrote: > to my best knowledge there is no such thing as a free solution for > providing such functionality as a Tivo. > At least most modern cards (DVB-T / DVB-S / DVB-S2 / DVB-C) rely on > non-free firmware files. May be there is a small minority of card

Re: [Trisquel-users] TiVo solution

2013-04-30 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
On 2013-04-30 05:31, holger.be...@gmail.com wrote: > The cheapest PVR (= personal video recorder) I could imagine would be a > cheap DVB-S2 receiver. At least for Europe and free to air satellite you > usually pay below 50€ for a standard receiver which can record DVB-S2 (= > HD stuff) to a USB hdd

Re: [Trisquel-users] TiVo solution

2013-04-30 Thread Fabian Rodriguez
On 2013-04-30 05:29, Pascal Diogo Antunes wrote: > I don't know TVHeadEnd. > Thanks for your link. > And for a TV tuner box, how can I be sure it will be free and safe? > Which are the best? You have HDHomeRun box, what are others choices I > have? TV tuner card are interested? You're very welcome

Re: [Trisquel-users] Enabling Gnome 3 in Trisquel 6 - now works

2013-04-30 Thread nospamhere
I am running Trisquel 6.0 w/Gnome 3 on my netbook, which is an Acer d255e, which has dual core 1.66 Ghz atoms. I upgraded the ram from 1 GB to 2 GB and replaced the Broadcom wireless NIC with an Atheros. (Thanks Chris for the recommendation!) Gnome 3 works perfectly and even feels 'light' on

Re: [Trisquel-users] TiVo solution

2013-04-30 Thread holger . beetz
Pascal, you are not very specific about how you receive TV. Is is terristial ? Via satellite ? via cable ? The cheapest PVR (= personal video recorder) I could imagine would be a cheap DVB-S2 receiver. At least for Europe and free to air satellite you usually pay below 50€ for a standard rec

Re: [Trisquel-users] TiVo solution

2013-04-30 Thread Pascal Diogo Antunes
On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 12:33:17 -0400 Fabian Rodriguez wrote: > On 2013-04-29 12:03, Pascal Diogo Antunes wrote: > > Hi, > > I would to know what are the free solutions for the digital video > > recorder TiVo? > > Libere, > > Pascal Diogo Antunes. > > I use TVHeadEnd in a virtual machine, with two

Re: [Trisquel-users] On the conversion of a Macbook Pro

2013-04-30 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Well done. There could also be some documentation, you might have to configure it somehow. sensors-detect might come handy but don't force it because it could be dangerous for your hardware!

Re: [Trisquel-users] TiVo solution

2013-04-30 Thread Pascal Diogo Antunes
On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:23:05 -0700 (PDT) "Jason Self" wrote: > I use MythTV. I will try. Thanks. I don't know if somebody have already tested GeeXbox or Freevo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeeXboX https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freevo Will see. I'm not a TV user. I don't really like television

Re: [Trisquel-users] TiVo solution

2013-04-30 Thread holger . beetz
Hi, to my best knowledge there is no such thing as a free solution for providing such functionality as a Tivo. At least most modern cards (DVB-T / DVB-S / DVB-S2 / DVB-C) rely on non-free firmware files. May be there is a small minority of cards which runs without non-free blobs but I do no

Re: [Trisquel-users] Beneficial Proprietary?

2013-04-30 Thread shiretoko
The free software movement mustn't be satisfied by someone who makes the software free some time after the release. It _is_ better than releasing the source code never, but honouring this puts us in danger to accept the bad practise of this companies. The user must own his freedom right now, a

Re: [Trisquel-users] A game with free code, but non-free art & music - why not in the repos?

2013-04-30 Thread shiretoko
Can you specify this a little bit more? Which kind of language code is implemented and how did you find out?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Beneficial Proprietary?

2013-04-30 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Beneficial proprietary? That sounds like fair trade organic slaves. So no, still mostly bad. But even bad entities do good things sometimes. For example Facebook which is a very disgusting and despicable giant corporation [1] [2] releases some free software. Thus it's better to say that su