В 15:57 +0100 на 18.12.2013 (ср), tegskywal...@hotmail.com написа:
> make it proprietary, but as I said before, if the project is big already,
Software is essential to computers. Without it they are just pointless
electricity consumption device or scrap if not plugged in. The capabilities of
a c
>5.Non-free software is never a solution so please do not rationalize,
justify, or minimize the consequences of proposing non-free software as a
solution.
VERITAS SE IPSA DEFENDIT (Truth defends itself)
Very interesting. Please, give me subtitles.
>There is no reason that we should allow people to use our forums to actively
work against our goals.
I see ONLY one way to "work against our goals" via forum:
akirashinigami: FLOSS is the best!
Non-FLOSS_Agitator: FLOSS sucks, because volunteers are incompetent to make
any good software.
Thank you :) I'll try both of your suggestions in the morning and report
back!
On 19/12/13 10:55, mve1 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A couple of weeks ago (after a Trisquel update I thought, although I
> cannot be sure), my computer stopped booting into Trisquel.
>
> I have a dual boot with osx which is very rarely used.
>
> I use refind & grub.
>
> Now I get the refind menu and when
It's what this early statement from him suggests:
"I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and
professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones." -
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=1991Aug25.205708.9541%40klaava.Helsinki.FI
He claimed that his work is "just a
No, can you please listen to him? He said he sees no difference in the same
justification used. The justification. The *justification*. He never said
that theft and proprietary software development are the same. He said that
the "feeds my children" justification is no different.
What he actually quite clearly said is that he sees little difference between
the two.
"Are you actually putting the needs of having no non free software above the
needs of feeding my kid?"
"Absolutely. I don't see much difference between what you're saying and what,
uh, a thief or swindler would say, trying to justify what he's doing."
You seem to care about the OEM's freedoms! The free software movement cares
about the users. And, yes, they need not be protected against evil bundle in
the same way that consumers have the right to know what they eat. Do you
consider the food sellers lack freedom because they must respect
Hi,
A couple of weeks ago (after a Trisquel update I thought, although I cannot
be sure), my computer stopped booting into Trisquel.
I have a dual boot with osx which is very rarely used.
I use refind & grub.
Now I get the refind menu and when I click on Trisquel it hangs and all I can
se
While I never claimed to be the first to come up with it, being FSF-endorsed
is actually pretty special. Only a handful of distributions have this
distinction, and with it comes certain obligations.
To be fair, I never claimed that anyone was encouraging the use of
proprietary software. H
Take a look at this:
http://media.libreplanet.org/u/libby/m/mako/
Because with almost no effort (developing one additional feature), the
proprietary derivative becomes technically better than the free program. That
obviously does not help the users to embrace free software.
Do you have any reference about Linus Torvalds wanting to build a whole
operating system by himself? As far as I know the Linux project has always
been about developing a kernel. Only a kernel.
Of course GNU only is a part of the operating system we use today. The most
significant part (do
If your goal is to make a website which mechanically repeats everything the
fsf is telling, then go on with your cencorship debate.
If your goal is freedom in the digital society, then please sit down and
think for a minute about how ironic your behaviour is. You're achieving the
oposite of
You talk as if you truly want to do the right thing, so let me explain to you
how you can do so. Don't. Just don't do it. It's very pretty to come here and
say "I want to do what is the best for the community and I want a democratic
process", but in the end, once you have the power to ban peo
I know RMS likes to nitpick... so what?
The reasons I pointed out are totally fine arguments to convince someone to
let go of windows and use free software is good. You can teach them later.
Thanks for posting that, I would have missed it otherwise.
--
I use: trisquel.info | ceata.org | fsf.org | riseup.net | duckduckgo.com |
eff.org | h-node.com | torproject.org | airvpn.org | flattr.com | skepdic.com |
thank you for the information.
I manage one of the most popular freeware sites on the web. With our amount
of traffic we get around 50,000 attempts to spam daily and a pro-rata amount
of trolls, fan boys and other unwanted types in the comments sections and
forum. Our volunteer moderators are under constant fire and every
GNUser, I understand your concern about censorship, but that is not at all
what I am trying to accomplish. Certainly, everyone is entitled to their
opinion and has a right to express it. However, Trisquel is an FSF-endorsed
free software project. As a community, we have specific interests
This should really be marked [OT]. "Grav-mass" is an atheistic movement and
not a software-related one, and is therefore not suitable for these forums.
I thought vPro was already OS-independent?
"This video is not available. Sorry about that."
you might want to see https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.html
I've recently come up against a problem with trying to get photos printed by
online printers(as in entities that make prints for you, not mechanical
printers that are somehow accessible online). Every single site I've looked
at so far requires the use of Flash Player. Not Flash v7 but the mos
Hmm...not really. Have you read the collection of "Halloween Documents"? The
reason I'm part of the open source community is that we have a company known as
Microsoft that essentially is controlling how productive any company can be if
they choose to use Windows and its associated apps. And i
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gmp-SRy5es&t=1m56s
В 15:54 +0100 на 18.12.2013 (ср), tegskywal...@hotmail.com написа:
> If you did modify the code, you have to release it.
You have to release it, if you distribute copies of the modified
version. If you are using it yourself you don't have to. If you share
the modified version with someone, you hav
Most software development jobs are custom software, not proprietary software.
If you play video games on a game console or PC, you may have noticed that
the games are running on licensed engines like the Unreal Engine, CryTech,
Frostbite, ID Tech, or Havok.
Those are the "babies" of the company and how they stay afloat. They pay
their employees, make improvements on
RMS has used that argument before where you should simply "get a real job
being a factory worker" if you want to make money from selling non-free
software and therefore are an unethical person.
But what if your skills lie in coding? Is the message that RMS is trying to
convey is that we nee
Yes, it is true that a permissive license does potentially allow a company to
make it proprietary, but as I said before, if the project is big already,
most would rather contribute back to the main project instead of forking or
making proprietary.
Why do you care if someone makes a non-free
Exactly. If you use GPL code in a program you are looking to distribute and
potentially sell, you are required to provide the source to the code that you
may have modified. If you didn't modify the GPL code, then its pretty stock.
If you did modify the code, you have to release it.
Dear God, and the guy talks as if it was the biggest gift he has ever get.
just like I say, bringing NSA to the masses...
Thanks for the info.
Ethics are not the only argument for FLOSS.
Security, support, costs, all come to mind when it comes to use FLOSS.
The ethical side of it... It has it's place, but honestly I think some FLOSS
ideas might as well be considered unethical, so it is a matter of balance, in
which two persons can d
And you should realize that "evangelism" is a word that is used many times as
"spreading an idea", and not merely a religious idea. Basically it comes from
the fact that religious people are always ready to talk about their faith.
And yes, we are probably flagged by the NSA. I have already disc
Merry Grav-mass and ignore those spouting of "Intelligent Falling."
Expecting communities to stay on topic and follow the rules is hardly too
much. Calling it "censorship" is just an attempt to make it sound more
dramatic, nothing more.
What... the... HELL???
Who the hell you think you are akirashinigami?? You want to come here and
start censoring other people, just because you don't like what they write?
Lol, nice way to kill a fanbase/community/whatever you want to call us.
As someone who has suffered censorship here in t
В 04:47 +0100 на 18.12.2013 (ср), tegskywal...@hotmail.com написа:
> This is the opposite of the GPL licensed software where the copyright holder
> has an alterior motive to dual license or release GPL code to the public but
> then offer a propietary license to allow full freedom with the code
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition,
abbreviated as DSM-5, is the 2013 update to the American Psychiatric
Association's (APA) classification and diagnostic tool. In the United States
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>Religion is not ethics and ethics are not religion.
How could I confuse them? I'm an atheist. I don't have a religion, but I have
my personal ethics.
I didn't mean to say that writing proprietary software is similar to murder.
I just used murder of an obvious example where not having "freedom" to do it
is a good thing.
On 18/12/13 16:19, oralfloss wrote:
> My point is that he compares unethical actions to other unethical
> actions, and finds little difference.
No, he compared the *response* to one unethical action to another.
Andrew.
Look, get some sleep, and once you're feeling rested, look up what a strawman
is.
RMS never said that the developing proprietary software is equally as bad as
theft. He said quite clearly that just because an unethical action gets you
money does not mean it's unethical, and he used a thief
Religion is not ethics and ethics are not religion. Don't confuse the two.
As probably the closest to a 'moderator' in this forum, my personal stance
around these issues is to try and interfere as little as possible, since this
community is really excellent at dealing with controversial themes and
constructive discussion.
When situations start to get serious, or j
By the way, I think you need read this article.
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/StrategyLetterV.html
I think it's the only argument, however subjective it might be.
I'm sorry, but this is not a psychological problem. =)
>Before you speak to me about some logical fallacies realize how ironic
you're being. Are you really trying to defend freedom or just win an internet
debate?
I pointed the error in your ways to yourself since you seemed so reluctant to
see (or admit) it.
>I'm clearly showing my personal v
"Using that same definition and wording, you could say that you don't have
the freedom to kill people."
Your mistake is: writing proprietary program does not force anyone to give
away their freedom;
forcing someone to execute it would do (this of course should be forbidden).
And people are i
+1
Couldn't say it better myself.
"Banning users that do not follow the rules is not censorship. No one's free
speech rights are impacted because they can say whatever they want
elsewhere."
If everyone has the same opinion like you, they can't state their opinion
anywhere except of their homes.
No matter how you argue: the
Why non-FLOSS is unethical? There is a lot of ethic systems. For example ,a
meat is unethical for me. I'm an atheist and atheism is unethical for
somebody else. Etc.
And I can't see any method to convince followers of one ethical system to
adopt another ethical system. For example, convince
This is case number #2, IMHO.
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