Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-06 Thread dguthrie
I would say the bloated code base contributes to the clunkyness of Firefox. It means it is full of security holes. It is also why it is difficult to produce proper Firefox forks as opposed to mere spins. Look at the trouble the PaleMoon developers had. Certainly it is by no means accurate to

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-06 Thread svhaab
I disagree on waiting and see. I do not think you will reach the seeked fund. If someone considering buying a computer card reads the crowd funding website, they will notice that funding is lower than 50%. I think that will stop people from getting the computer card. They do not know what hap

Re: [Trisquel-users] I'm leaving Trisquel

2016-08-06 Thread dguthrie
What issues are these? I have always found Debian to work fine whereas Ubuntu-based distributions always have minute problems no one knows how to fix or are not aware of. Usually when people have problems with Debian it is not understanding some option in the installer or not understanding ho

Re: [Trisquel-users] Freedom Fridays (development updates), 2

2016-08-06 Thread dguthrie
Isn't the script just the script from Linux-libre? Or do Ubuntu add certain things that are not upstream, like backported drivers, which need to be accounted for?

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-06 Thread onpon4
> If someone considering buying a computer card reads the crowd funding website, they will notice that funding is lower than 50%. I think that will stop people from getting the computer card. They do not know what happens if full funding is not reached. It's not flexible funding. Contributi

Re: [Trisquel-users] Your battery status is being used to track you online

2016-08-06 Thread dguthrie
Bad Firefox :-( Use Lynx! :-) But on a more serious note, this was warned of many months ago by security researchers. Unfortunately people don't understand just how prevalent online tracking is and how sophisticated it has become. I think even the people who make up the standard probably are

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-06 Thread svhaab
If funding goal is not reached, buyers know they will not get their item. Maybe he will come up with something that people get their computer cards anyway. They do not know. If he renegotiates like I wrote, people will know they will get their computer cards if 250 computer cards are sold? He

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-06 Thread onpon4
> If funding goal is not reached, buyers know they will not get their item. ...And they won't pay a cent. There is zero risk for backers. If this is unclear, it should be clarified, but suggesting "renegotiating" would happen if the campaign fails would make potential backers more nervous, n

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-06 Thread svhaab
>If this ... Maybe you are right. If I had ordered a computer card, I would look at the funding. Knowing that funding is below 50% and likely there will be no full funding, I would prefer if the laptops got out of the crowd funding lowering the funding goal to 250 computer cards and a total

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-06 Thread onpon4
That's not how it works. If the crowdfunding campaign fails, nothing happens. No money gets exchanged, the project doesn't move forward, and Luke will have to launch an entirely new campaign (assuming he can; otherwise he'll have to spend some time coming up with a new game plan, possibly yea

Re: [Trisquel-users] Freedom Fridays (development updates), 2

2016-08-06 Thread davidpgil
Donated!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Freedom Fridays (development updates), 2

2016-08-06 Thread jason
"Isn't the script just the script from Linux-libre?" No. The Linux-libre script only works with the vanilla kernel from kernel.org. Canonical's kernel is heavily modified. Go grab the Linux-libre deblob scripts, the ubuntu kernel source, and run the de-blob script. It dies immediately, sayi

Re: [Trisquel-users] Freedom Fridays (development updates), 2

2016-08-06 Thread rakubx
Hello all, Where can I find an ISO file with fresh beta to download it? Thanks a lot.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Freedom Fridays (development updates), 2

2016-08-06 Thread jason
There isn't one yet. It is way too early. In this development update Rubén just made the kernel that allows for the build jails to get made so that the software can start getting compiled. An ISO won't exist until much later...

Re: [Trisquel-users] Freedom Fridays (development updates), 2

2016-08-06 Thread vitacell
Thanks for updates! donated.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-06 Thread svhaab
Do you use the word fraud in its legal frame? Tell how you define fraud? You repeat that if funding goal is not meet nobody pays. I got that. I want to set a new funding goal which is likely going to be meet. If crowd supply rules say, you cannot change parameters during the crowd funding, the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Your battery status is being used to track you online

2016-08-06 Thread legimet . calc
At least Firefox seems to round to the nearest tenth. Still, I would disable this API.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-06 Thread jason
Some places, like Indiegogo, support what they fall "flexible funding campaigns" which don't have this "all or nothing" rule.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-06 Thread luke . leighton
yep at around 640x480 it's about 10fps, if i expand the window to 1200 x 720 (appx) it's down to about 5fps - that's with sdl.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-06 Thread luke . leighton
> Also, it's not possible to change the campaign's funding goal in the middle of it. it is you just have to have a *really* good reason. most campaign's simply can't justify doing this... but we can. the thing is: we can... but we still shouldn't, as it gives the wrong impression. >

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-06 Thread luke . leighton
tonlee: this isn't helping. every moment spent by you being concerned about "what happens if we fail fail fail FAIL FAIL **FAIL**" is time wasted on helping spread the word so that we succeed succeed SUCCEED. but not only that, you're *actively* taking up *my* time dealing with answering y

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-06 Thread luke . leighton
because it is so unique (the 20:1 ratio) this campaign isn't one of those *either*. it's pretty much unprecedented to have a critical dependency between items pledged at $65 and $1200. so we are being flexible... but, AGAIN, the focus IS... *help spread the word*.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-06 Thread luke . leighton
> I do not think so. It would take a sell of about 1328 computer cards > to meet the funding goal. Or about 191 laptops. or it would take an order of 500-1000 computer cards for a separate project (and i am talking privately to someone who wants to do exactly that). or it would take a much

Re: [Trisquel-users] Your battery status is being used to track you online

2016-08-06 Thread calmstorm
Stunning, but privacy settings addon may be useful yes?

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-06 Thread calmstorm
Agreed its not over until all time has run out. It will succeed I feel it.

Re: [Trisquel-users] I'm leaving Trisquel

2016-08-06 Thread calmstorm
Possibly true but there are a few things missing, such as qemu launcher and also, I ran into some buggy irritations with wine and winetricks. And I forget if there is anything else, regardless though, I wonder when trisquel 8 will be out. I imagine near December at worst and at best Septemb

Re: [Trisquel-users] Freedom Fridays (development updates), 2

2016-08-06 Thread calmstorm
start with arm support because I feel hopeful the EOMA laptop/desktop hardware will succeed.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-06 Thread luke . leighton
http://rhombus-tech.net/crowdsupply/assess_campaign.py with some very rough numbers in, it's just about doable, right now, based on $10k NREs, there's about $6k spare.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Your battery status is being used to track you online

2016-08-06 Thread onpon4
Frankly, Web browsers are too powerful. It's gotten to the point where they can basically function (and, in some cases, do function) like entire operating systems. Total madness. Question: does this have any relevance if JavaScript is disabled?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Your battery status is being used to track you online

2016-08-06 Thread pinmaritim
SuperTramps addon works well meaning its quite easy to use & set's about:config dom.battery.enable user set false

Re: [Trisquel-users] Your battery status is being used to track you online

2016-08-06 Thread dguthrie
You couldn't disable JS on Firefox OS. Otherwise it wouldn't work at all! So probably no. Otherwise they are just a glorified PDF reader.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Your battery status is being used to track you online

2016-08-06 Thread onpon4
I was talking about the battery status option, not Firefox OS... I wanted to know if JavaScript is needed to access this information.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Your battery status is being used to track you online

2016-08-06 Thread azzimeloon
Is this not already disabled in Icecat? I "duckduckgoed" it (duckduckwent?) and found this: "Changes since v31.8.0-gnu2" "- Disabled battery handling in dom" Link: https://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=8376

Re: [Trisquel-users] Any of you use Ring?

2016-08-06 Thread dahunt
I'm back on Belenos and have trouble installing Ring; some dependencies not available or are wrong versions. If you're using ring on Trisquel 7, perhaps you can help? Thanks, Dave Hunt stalk me on gnusocial: davehunt@2mb.social