Re: [Trisquel-users] My parents think if I advise someone how to use free software I might go to prision

2017-02-07 Thread onpon4
No. That's about as absurd as if Wal-mart was held responsible for selling food to someone who later commits a terrorist attack. The only way I can think of that you could possibly be held responsible is if someone literally said to you, "I want to do X so that I can perform a terrorist

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2017-02-07 Thread vitotorleone
I would be more concerned about the circumstances under which you are meeting a stranger, particularly if you are a minor. If that's the case, perhaps you could invite one of your parents or another trusted adult to come along and hang out in the public place where you meet and help this

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2017-02-07 Thread legimet . calc
Don't give Trump any ideas!

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2017-02-07 Thread seimirchaplin

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2017-02-07 Thread calmstorm
oh the irony of such sarcasm... too many people would believe you in america.

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2017-02-07 Thread calmstorm
Fair point, my bad.

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2017-02-07 Thread noemail
Calmstorm was attempting to construct an analogy between god (and invented rules attributed to such) and free software.

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2017-02-07 Thread noemail
God(s) and religion were invented as a means to exert control - i.e., take away individual freedoms. Free software is a means by which individuals can exercise their freedoms. Very different.

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2017-02-07 Thread calmstorm
You don't believe bad actions will come back to bite you later? you cannot be serious. What about Bernie madoff? the guy who ripped off so many people and then got caught and his own son committed suicide. He must have been thinking after that, what the hell have I done... as for what

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2017-02-07 Thread noemail
Please cite your evidence in support of this assertion.

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2017-02-07 Thread noemail
Regrets? Sure, but I'm able to sort them out on my own. All of us have good and bad thoughts every day. Part of being an ethical/moral person is being able to work through them and decide which are worth acting upon. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Belief in an invented god

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2017-02-07 Thread calmstorm
Sure if you want I can look at it. but I do think wikipedia isn't the best source of information. nevermind I actually saw you meant not the article... if its online free I may consider it. I am not entirely sure if anyone in this world can be sure about anything one hundred percent.

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2017-02-07 Thread calmstorm
That is my response to the red fever which plagues america that people think is the blue plague...

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2017-02-07 Thread eloi . igor
I guess times are changing and we can't say that terrorism isn't a more popular subject now days,but it is very serious. Choosing to be free is now associated with be some sort of criminal? That's is very serious.

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2017-02-07 Thread noordinaryspider
FYI, IRC is Internet Relay Chat. tomlukeywood is helping someone over the internet and not in any danger. I am watching my 9 year old engage in safe internet behaviour on a gaming IRC channel channel as I type this and feeling rather overprotective for doing so instead of making dinner

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2017-02-07 Thread calmstorm
This is what angers me about the nsa and big corporations/law enforcement/government they think they should know everything that is going on at any given moment. And yet they don't want it being done back to them which is the opposite of what should happen... I wish they would all

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2017-02-07 Thread adel
It's not worth making your parents worry about you. I disagree with their thought process. But if they genuinely believe it and you help this guy, then they will worry.

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2017-02-07 Thread calmstorm
true religion is freeing, but to answer your bigger question, that wasn't a construct that is my views whether you wish to believe what I say or not, that is up to you. Truthfully though it was an incomplete explanation. sadly though, only a small remnant of religious people seem to

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2017-02-07 Thread greatgnu
>Would this fear of a jail sentence be there if the person requesting replicant was a white american? I'll leave it at that. Would this fear of a jail sentence be there if the person requesting replicant was Hillary Clinton? I'll leave it at that.

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2017-02-07 Thread calmstorm
even some atheists found that book according to wikipedia to be flawed. as in it would do no good for anyone. by the way, you should look up to see on different articles why those people felt that way.

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2017-02-07 Thread allanitomwesh
How has Trump not jailed her yet?

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2017-02-07 Thread calmstorm
The simple fact is, while I don't know everything about him, and while there may be people who know him better, my understanding is: he is good, he hates sin, he knows every hair on our head and beyond better than we do... the bible is extremely complex if you have ever read revelations

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2017-02-07 Thread greatgnu
I advocate encryption and free software. I am a huge terrorist. I'm also a torrorist. What I might just be missing is installing replicant. I knew something was missing in my terror book, I only wasn't aware it was a replicant. Only problem is I never owned, don't own nor plan to buy a

Re: [Trisquel-users] My parents think if I advise someone how to use free software I might go to prision

2017-02-07 Thread onpon4
> Your parents are racist and you should tell them as much No, he shouldn't. Even if this accusation of yours is true (which I doubt), accusing someone of bigotry is entirely unproductive and divisive. If you get accused of "racism" because you think helping an Arab install Replicant is a

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2017-02-07 Thread noordinaryspider
I have been using some form of GNU/Linux since 2004/2005ish and this is new. I don't like it. I was in the habit of casually mentioning what OS I use, my philosophical reasons for doing so, and offering brief tech advice to those in need on various hobby and special interest forums. People

Re: [Trisquel-users] My parents think if I advise someone how to use free software I might go to prision

2017-02-07 Thread allanitomwesh
Your parents are racist and you should tell them as much You are more likely to be arrested for breaking some sort of copyright on an iPhone by Apple than for showing someone how to install a custom ROM on their old Samsung

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2017-02-07 Thread noemail
The purpose of religion is to exert control over the weak-minded and exploit the marginalized and desperate through perceived appeasement of invented gods and their servants (i.e., 'clergy'). It is unethical and immoral by its very design. It is also the single biggest impediment to human

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2017-02-07 Thread tirifto
I feel like one of us is severely misunderstanding the term "religion." As I understand it (still after checking the dictionary), religion is belief in god(s). If I simply believe in God, there is no exerting control over weak-minded and there is no appeasement to servants; there is only

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2017-02-07 Thread greatgnu
sure libredrs, that's not the point. The answer was, mr. Calmstorm, god, or more correctly the invention of god, is omnipotent because omnipresent and omniscient.

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2017-02-07 Thread allanitomwesh
Would this fear of a jail sentence be there if the person requesting replicant was a white american? I'll leave it at that.

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2017-02-07 Thread noemail
Ignorance does not necessarily imply racism or bigotry. Discussion and education can often alleviate unjustified fear.

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2017-02-07 Thread jabjabs
We live in interesting times. Their opinion comes from a state of media driven fear, it can be very hard to reason with these people other than playing the long game of pointing out just how unlikely their paranoid thoughts are to actually be the case. My partner always thinks I'm

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2017-02-07 Thread calmstorm
This is very true. ;) if only people would let themselves be educated...

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2017-02-07 Thread tirifto
Please don't say that. Religion is not inherently unethical. It can be unethical and bring bad things, but it can just as well be ethical and bring much good. Religion is broad and diverse. It has many different forms; people can perceive and follow it in many different ways. But I don't

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2017-02-07 Thread calmstorm
Well Said. especially the last paragraph. I agree wholeheartedly. Yeah... black and white thinking is what libredrs is aruging for. all religion is bad = black and white statement. should we do that to all computers? very similar to getting rid of all religion. much more grey than we

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2017-02-07 Thread eloi . igor
I couldn't stop myself from clicking here after reading such an... Attention calling (?) tittle It's quite the thing your parents are estating... Does they have a proper knowledge about what is and what are the benefits of having free software or do they just think it's a "hacker thing"?

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2017-02-07 Thread noemail
Suggested reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Is_Not_Great (the book, not the wikipedia article) The sole purpose of religion is to exert control. Free-thinking and ethically-minded people exist quite nicely in the absence of any god or religion.

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2017-02-07 Thread noordinaryspider
I don't buy my 9 year old devices, but other family members do. It's hard to find a balance and I am a very, very imperfect parent and an imperfect person as well. He needs more interaction with free software users who are closer to his age if you're into gaming and are up for a bit of

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2017-02-07 Thread eloi . igor
>You don't believe bad actions will come back to bite you later? It's such a fragile thinking. Why do someone have to believe in bad consequences in order to not do harm to people? Before you say it, I do agree that religion have the power to develop some good habits. But we're in 2017. Do

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2017-02-07 Thread noordinaryspider
You also asked me to be more specific about what people on the mainstream internet were saying about me. I think it would be rude to directly copy and paste from another forum but I am still fuming about something that happened today on a thread about printers so I will paraphrase as best as

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2017-02-07 Thread megver83
that's tru. The only thing "privacy" you get with Replicant is removing the samsung backdoor, nothing else. I've personally help an oriental free software project, Uruk, and my name and Email is in the contributors website, and that's not illegal in many countries at all. Besides, if you

Re: [Trisquel-users] My parents think if I advise someone how to use free software I might go to prision

2017-02-07 Thread megver83
most terrorists are paid by the USA government. 2001 attack to the Twin Towers was a self-attack by the president George Bush, and they blame Bin Laden and the Laden family which was ridiculous because the Bush and the Laden families worked together being owners of oil companies.

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2017-02-07 Thread greatgnu
>they think they should know everything that is going on at any given moment. Sure. It's about power, and what they are building is **absolute** power. I have a question for you, mate calmstorm: Why is god omnipotent? Or, more correctly, what makes him almighty?

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2017-02-07 Thread onpon4
> you could use it without the government monitoring you (theoretically) This just isn't true. Regardless of what OS you're using, phone calls are not encrypted, cell phone towers can track your location without the cooperation of your phone, and phone providers can tell who you've called

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2017-02-07 Thread vitotorleone
Thanks for the clarification.

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2017-02-07 Thread tomlukeywood
This is very strange in my opinion but anyway. I have been contacted by someone with a Arab sounding name who wants help installing Replicant on there phone. I have offered to help them by meeting them on the Replicant IRC channel so guide them through the process. my parents think that

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2017-02-07 Thread tomlukeywood
"What on Earth gave them the impression that Replicant is a tool that terrorists use, anyway?" They assumed that as you could use it without the government monitoring you (theoretically) a terrorist would use it to communicate. but as you say they are more likely to not use a phone at all

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2017-02-07 Thread encryptedram
Out of curiosity, do you purchase the latest devices for your kids? For example if they really, really want the latest Playstation or iJail, do you get it for them, or do you offer to instead buy a device that respects their freedom? And regarding the people who call you an anarchist for

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2017-01-30 Thread mappack
The news should really stop showing people in hoodies typing in a terminal window on their PC as "hackers".