Re: [TruthTalk] Obeying The Word with True LOVE

2003-09-19 Thread Chris Barr
All glory goes to YHVH who has blessed me with such authority. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09/18/2003 11:50 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Obeying The Word with True LOVE Chris, You should consider yourself to be

RE: [TruthTalk] REPRIMAND: Obeying The Word with True LOVE

2003-09-19 Thread David Miller
Chris… We allow a lot of room here for you to make your case, but we do not allow ad hominem arguments. Stop with the “Jezebel Judy” stuff. If you want to make a point that you think Judy is acting like Jezebel mentioned in Scripture, that might be allowed if it is presented in a respectful way

RE: [TruthTalk] TruthTalkin' 'bout Torah walkin'

2003-09-19 Thread David Miller
Hi Chris. Did someone on TruthTalk stiff you with a phone bill? Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.

Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread LaurHamm
I have to finally put my two cents in on this one. I cared for my former husband for several years after he was disabled. I wouldn't trade those years for anything. Now granted, he was able to communicate and take care of his basic needs but he had to use a wheelchair when we went out and could

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalkin' 'bout Torah walkin'

2003-09-19 Thread Chris Barr
Yes. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09/19/2003 7:58 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] TruthTalkin' 'bout Torah walkin' Hi Chris. Did someone on TruthTalk stiff you with a phone bill? Peace be with you.David Miller,

RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Bruce, Bruce, Thank you for your thoughtful reply. You made some very valid points, which are quite true. But, now--what if the wife had a Living Will in which she had written that she did not want to be kept alive by artificial means if she was comatose? Would you then think it was right to

RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Laura, I agree with you completely. There is no greater love than to care for the helpless. That is why you cared so well for your disabled husband. (People who havent done what you do have no idea what a sacrifice and joy it is.)Thats why I am taking my Dad, who has Alzheimers, out for

RE: [TruthTalk] REPRIMAND: Obeying The Word with True LOVE

2003-09-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
David, I also apologize for having an Izzy the cat frenzy last night; ie: borderline too much levity! This is something that comes over me occasionally when my husband leaves me unattended while he is watching an evening of televised baseball. Perhaps I should dash about the room and claw the

Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread LaurHamm
In a message dated 9/19/2003 9:51:21 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But you state that, I also believe that her fate is in God's hands and he should not tamper with that. By forcing medical treatment upon her, you could certainly say that people are tampering. You may be

Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread Chris Barr
\o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless NameofYahShua!! This would all be funny if it were not so tragic. Anyone ever see the movie, "Miller's Crossing". The central theme in the movie is ethics. One main character is constantly troubled by the lack of ethics of others. Oh,

[TruthTalk] People today are generally just stupid

2003-09-19 Thread Chris Barr
\o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless NameofYahShua!! "Lack of Oxygen May Not Halt Cancer's Spread" was last evening's news headline.NEWS?!?!?!?!After picking myself up from the floor following an uncontrollable fit of laughter the next thing out of my mouth was just a

RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
FYI. Chris, a feeding tube is artificial medical life support treatment. If the patient has not consented, it is forced treatment. Izzy, -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barr Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 9:11 AM To:

RE: [TruthTalk] TruthTalkin' 'bout Torah walkin'

2003-09-19 Thread David Miller
Hey Chris. We TruthTalk members need to stick together. How about you just send me a copy of this bill and I will pay you. Sound ok? Would you then be able to love and forgive this person and have kind thoughts toward him? David Miller 6003 W. Glory Hill St. Beverly

Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread Terry Clifton
Just something to muddy the thought process. What if you pull the plug on your patient today, and tomorrow they find the cure that was never available before? Could happen. Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:00:19 To: [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] SOP

2003-09-19 Thread Slade Henson
Hypocrite. What aboutyour interpretation of the 2nd Commandment? shalom slade e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Chris Barr To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 18 September, 2003 22:16 Subject: [TruthTalk] SOP

Re: [TruthTalk] Tidbits

2003-09-19 Thread Slade Henson
That's the problem with Kabbalah. It makes "sense" of useless "facts." It feels like deep truth. Also, Chris's use of Gamatria is wrong. The number of the beast is not 18. shalom slade e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Terry, You can only make decisions upon the information you have available today. Cant look back tomorrow. Besides that, new medical developments take years of RD, and nothing just pops up unexpectedly overnight. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread Bruce Woodford
Hi Izzy, You asked:what if the wife had a Living Will in which she had written that she did not want to be kept alive by artificial means if she was comatose? I think artificial means would have to be defined more specificly. Feeding a person, bathing them, keeping them warm or cool, giving

Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread Terry Clifton
Then I take it that your conscience would not bother you if you snuffed your hubby a day too early? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry,

Re: [TruthTalk] SOP

2003-09-19 Thread Slade Henson
God works in wonderful ways in my life. On of the great lessons we can learn is associated with embarrassment. When I read this post, it appeared that Chris claimed to have seen the clip on TV because of the inclusion of the words as I assumed. However, after closer inspection, he appears

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalkin' 'bout Torah walkin'

2003-09-19 Thread Slade Henson
No debt is owed. At this point, there is no use in asking Chris to forgive. He's left the Spirit behind. shalom slade e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: David Miller To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 19 September, 2003

RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Terry, I am not talking about snuffing anyone. Im talking about ceasing from medical intervention to keep them alive, and letting nature take its course. Quite the opposite of snuffing out. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
PS If I were married to a certain someone whos name I will not mention (but you can guess!), I would happily snuff him out a day early. One must consider each situation on its own merits. ROFL! Oh, dear, I think I feel another one of those cat frenzies coming on.or maybe its just the

Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread LaurHamm
Is there another baseball game on tonight? LOL Laura

RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question

2003-09-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Yes1 Im cracking up! Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 9:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Is there another baseball game on tonight? LOL

[TruthTalk] grace, seasoned with salt

2003-09-19 Thread Marlin Halverson
Dear Ones, Why is it that we sometimes hurt the ones who are closest tous? Why is it that we sometimes seem to have so much in common with somebody else, only to find that we differ on smaller points, and then we loose sight of ourtrue Master, Who isable to lead each of us in His time?