Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?

2003-12-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
YOU COULD NOT FIND "The Prophet states you must be PERFECT NOW" I CUT & PASTE SOME OF THE PARTS THAT TEACH THE ABOVE assures one of exaltation through that perfection which comes by complying with the formula the Lord gave us. "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is pe

[TruthTalk] Adam fell upward

2003-12-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
What Dave was getting at, for all you people that are not in the "gnosis" This "gnosis" is reserved for the initiated. You must progress through layers of deeper & deeper meaning, till you are ready for strong meat.   God put Adam & eve in a sort of double bind Be fruitful & multiply Dont touch the

RE: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees/'baptIZed'

2003-12-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
g, have you ever been baptized? If you don’t want to reveal the answer to this question, please just say so. Izzy   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?

2003-12-12 Thread Dave
  DAVEH:  Kevin, I am not suggesting that the overall nature of THE MIRACLE OF FORGIVENESS does not encourage mankind to repent while in mortality.  SWK is very insistent that repenting is a major part of our reason for existing in mortality.  He also counsels against putting off repenting until

[TruthTalk] LDS Prophet's Miracle of Forgiveness

2003-12-12 Thread Judy Taylor
Hi Kevin, you ask, Does this sound like Christian Doctrine to you? It certainly does not and thank you Kevin for your time and effort in sharing with us here on TT.   Your input certainly changes the landscape and shows Mr. Kimball and his miracle to be false.  God's in embryo - and man be

Re: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees/'baptIZed'

2003-12-12 Thread ttxpress
1. To administer the sacrament of baptism to[='baptized'].    What does it mean (to you), Izzy? -- On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:10:27 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: g, have you ever been baptized?..   -Original Message-From:

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Prophet's Miracle of Forgiveness

2003-12-12 Thread ttxpress
Hey DavidM, Do we have to be 'baptized' (as Izzy requires) to post here, or what?  Do you 'administrate' the 'sacrament' of baptism? What does it mean to you?   FTR, This is your teaching, below, too..y'all are pretty much Mormons yourselves now, eh? Well, what's the (hairsplittin':) differ

Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?

2003-12-12 Thread michael douglas
  jt: I understand what you are saying but not the point of all of it.  Why accuse God? This is just the way it is and if there is more to it that we should know he will reveal this also - in his time. But then I've been doing a little research, and have read that your Church believes that the

RE: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees/'baptIZed'

2003-12-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
I suspected that you would be cagey about answering this question, g.  That speaks for itself. Izzy   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [T

Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?

2003-12-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
 DAVEH SAYS: The part of your posts I found disagreeable with is that you suggested SWK said we "must" do this (eliminate sins and become perfect) in this life, implying (and no, you did not specifically say the following) that failure to do so causes one to be cast into the lake of fire.  As I rea

RE: [TruthTalk] LDS Prophet's Miracle of Forgiveness

2003-12-12 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: > Hey DavidM, Do we have to be 'baptized' (as Izzy > requires) to post here, or what? No, Gary, you don't have to be baptized to post here. Don't worry. You won't be kicked off for not being baptized. I did not understand Izzy to be requiring this of you, just asking you if you ha

RE: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?

2003-12-12 Thread David Miller
Dave Hansen wrote: > The part of your posts I found disagreeable with is that > you suggested SWK said we "must" do this (eliminate sins > and become perfect) in this life, implying (and no, you > did not specifically say the following) that failure to > do so causes one to be cast into the lak

Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?

2003-12-12 Thread Dean Moore
    How dare youattack my integrity and then publicy do what you accuse me of. I think that is despicable. * Kevin he did the same type of multiplication with me-by taking my words out of context of the original statement-Honesty must not be a part of the Mormon teachings or maybe when

Re: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees/'baptIZed'

2003-12-12 Thread ttxpress
you're pretty smart, i guess   On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:05:42 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I suspected that you would be cagey about answering this question, g.  That speaks for itself. Izzy   -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EM

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Prophet's Miracle of Forgiveness

2003-12-12 Thread ttxpress
  On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:43:16 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>I did not understand Izzy to be requiring this of you,     ok; but if sha isn't requiring baptism of me, why would she do it herself?     > Gary wrote:> > Do you 'administrate' the 'sacrament' of baptism? > > Wh

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Prophet's Miracle of Forgiveness

2003-12-12 Thread Dean Moore
    ok; but if sha isn't requiring baptism of me, why would she do it herself?    Convictions maybe? You know those things outside of commandments that one must carry to their own righteousness-or do you know-if so why do you ask.

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS Prophet's Miracle of Forgiveness

2003-12-12 Thread ttxpress
    On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:23:20 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ..if [Izzy] isn't requiring baptism of me, why would she do it herself?    Convictions..those things outside of commandments that one must carry to their own righteousness..   Pharisaical stuff, eh?

RE: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?

2003-12-12 Thread David Miller
Dean wrote: > *Hi David-I asked you a question earlier and failed > to read your answer. Again could you tell me if a > person that speaks against the Holy Ghost can still > become saved and enter heaven? A person who blasphemes the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven or saved. I gave a more full

RE: [TruthTalk] LDS Prophet's Miracle of Forgiveness

2003-12-12 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: > ok; but if sha isn't requiring baptism of me, > why would she do it herself? You should ask her, but I'm sure it was not so that she could post here. Remember that even the devil can post here. Gary wrote: > my question, similar to the other/s (to IZ), is > *'a new convert' [to wh

Re: [TruthTalk] God of Mormonism

2003-12-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
DAVEH:  I fully agree.  But let me explain it from a different angle, Judy.  God created Adam & Eve, knowing beforehand that they would succumb to temptation.  (I assume you agree with that.)  Then he places a temptation in the garden, knowing they would partake of the forbidden fruit, and what the

RE: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees/'baptIZed'

2003-12-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Acts 22:16   'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.'   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: