Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-02 Thread Judy Taylor
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy Taylor wrote:I believe we've discussed this word in the past. It is used of Moses when he stood before Pharoah in place of God and it means judge/magistrate. Same in Ps 82:6. However when satan tells Eve that if they eat from the forbidden tree they will

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-02 Thread Dave
Judy Taylor wrote: Hi DaveH, We lost the "image of God" when Adam fell DAVEH: That seems contrary to what the Lord says in Gen 3:22.. ...Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: ..Logically, it was AFTER the fall that AE took on the image of God if vs

[TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-02 Thread Judy Taylor
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy Taylor wrote:Hi DaveH,We lost the "image of God" when Adam fell DAVEH: That seems contrary to what the Lord says in Gen 3:22.Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: Logically, it was AFTER the fall that AE took on the

Re: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-02 Thread Dave
Judy Taylor wrote: From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy Taylor wrote: I believe we've discussed this word in the past. It is used of Moses when he stood before Pharoah in place of God and it means judge/magistrate. Same in Ps 82:6. However when satan tells Eve

[TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-02 Thread Judy Taylor
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy Taylor wrote: Ibelieve we've discussed this word in the past. It is used of Moses when he stood before Pharoah in place of God and it means judge/magistrate. Same in Ps 82:6. However when satan tells Eve that if they eat from the forbidden tree they will be

Fw: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful nature that we have

2004-03-02 Thread Wm. Taylor
Hi Robert, I thought I would send a few more words concerning atonement language in the OT and how it relates to Christ in the NT. Jesus Christ himself explained that he had come as a servant to give his life in an act of sacrifice for us. Thus resting on Christ's own self-interpretation,

[TruthTalk] The passion of Christ

2004-03-02 Thread Judy Taylor
Oh! OK, Jesus said itso there's no argument here Does this mean DavidM has a point and that God ordains devils to preach the gospel? Do you believe he was a devil before Satan entered into him at the last supper? From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just saying he was a devil.Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-02 Thread Terry Clifton
- Original Message - From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:03 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible DAVEH: To DavidM or any other TTers who wish to comment: This morning on the way to work I listened to my

[TruthTalk] Fw: [Infinite Supply] Tuesday, March 02, 2004

2004-03-02 Thread Terry Clifton
Please forgive me, DavidM, but I just had to pass this one on. Terry Today's meditation is taken from: ENTER THE KINGDOM by Chip Brogden http://www.watchman.net/articles/enter.html I tell you the truth, unless a man is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God...

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-02 Thread ttxpress
butthey die; for what reason? G ~ P 235 On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:00:11 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do not believe infants can sin...

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-02 Thread Dave
Terry Clifton wrote: - Original Message - From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:03 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible DAVEH: To DavidM or any other TTers who wish to comment: This morning on the way to work I listened

RE: Fw: RE: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-02 Thread Pastor Bob
Hi Judy, Maybe it would be best if we just agree to disagree on this and wait to see how the discussion unfolds. Thanks, Robert Trump From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: RE: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh

RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful nature that we have

2004-03-02 Thread Pastor Bob
Greetings Bill, good morning. It looks like you were busy lasts night. Thanks for the concise and informative work on the atonement. Don't underestimate yourself, Bill, this is great and will be very helpful I'm sure. By the way, you can call me Bob. Grace and Truth, Robert Trump From: Wm.

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-02 Thread ttxpress
which translation is correct? G ~P 235 On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 07:15:29 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly.

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-02 Thread elextech
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 22:48:58 -0700 Pastor Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greetings jandg, everyone born of the flesh is born in sin. I think it was Vince who said something like That's right. That's why he had to get the same flesh in him. Grace and Truth, Robert No, I think

Re: Fw: RE: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-02 Thread elextech
I believe it would have been sin rather than fallen flesh that would have disqualified Him to be the atoning sacrafice. His victory over the fallen flesh is part of what qualifies Him to be our perfect high priest (Heb 4:15). vincent j. fulton On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 01:33:16 -0500 Judy Taylor

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-02 Thread elextech
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:47:19 -0700 Pastor Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are in Christ by way of his inclusion of you in the Incarnation. I believe we are in Christ by virtue of the fact that His Holy Spirit indwells us. If His incarnation into the human family is all it took for us

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-02 Thread Terry Clifton
of.. THE EPISTLE OF PAUL THE APOSTLE to the HEBREWS ...is not part of the inerrant Bible, and that we really do not know who wrote the book of HEBREWS. Is that belief commonly accepted amongst most Protestants, or do many take

RE: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-02 Thread David Miller
DAVEH: To DavidM or any other TTers who wish to comment: This morning on the way to work I listened to my favorite Bible preacher on the radioSteve Brown of Key Life Ministries in Orlando. He mentioned that the heading of... THE EPISTLE OF PAUL THE APOSTLE to the HEBREWS

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-02 Thread Terry Clifton
Dave: Are you certain that you heard Steve Brown correctly? I would be surprised to find that he felt Hebrews not to be inerrant. DAVEH: Perhaps you did not understand what I said above, Terry. SB said the HEADING of Hebrews is not part of the inerrant

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-02 Thread ttxpress
who has 'the originals/s'? G ~ P 235 On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:00:25 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:..the original Greek texts are what were inerrant..toproduce a text as close to the original as possible.

Re: [TruthTalk] Kingdom Come

2004-03-02 Thread Terry Clifton
- Original Message - From: Blaine Borrowman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kingdom Come Blaine: But the early members of the Church of Jesus Chrst of Latter-day

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
Let me know if you find them. Joe Smith found some of the Original writings of the Patriarch Abraham in his own hand!Since the LDS have restored all things, including the PRIMITIVE Church, maybe they have them. That would mean they are in the big vault up in Cottonwood Canyon. Unfortunately it

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-02 Thread elextech
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:00:11 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy Taylor wrote: We lost the "image of God" when Adam fell DAVEH: That seems contrary to what the Lord says in Gen 3:22.. ...Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: ..Logically, it was

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-02 Thread elextech
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 23:39:30 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: If that is so, then why did Jesus use PS 82:6 in his defense when the Jews confronted him in Jn 10:33 vince: I'm not sure. Perhaps someday God will open my mind to that. I do know one thing: I will not open myself to the

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-02 Thread elextech
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 07:15:29 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Vincent suggested there are several evidences that give reason to believe it was written by Paul. I did?? What did I say? -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-02 Thread ttxpress
whoa,K you're saying that JSassures DavidMthat 'the original/s' are inerrant..thatDaveH, et. al. may havethem in SLC?? G On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:07:03 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Joe Smith found some of the Original writings.. ||[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
DAVEH I know that doesn't make sense from your perspective, but so far it seemsincluded in the definition for being a God is..1) Knowing good from evil.2) Being sinless. You blew then, you can never be a god,see Number 2[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 23:39:30 -0800 Dave <[EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
Joseph F. Smith, "Among the spirit children of Elohim, the first-born was and is Jehovah, or Jesus Christ, to whom all others are juniors" (Gospel Doctrine, p.70). Holy Bible says God is a SPIRITJN 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.A spirit

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
VINCE The problem in Mormonism is that you open up again the Roman and Greek idea of there being many gods, which I believe would be contrary to Scripture and the cherished teaching of Scripture that there is only one God. DAVEH: I don't see it that way at allPaul pretty well explained it

Re: [TruthTalk] Kingdom Come

2004-03-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, You said, This is simple wisdom--As the Lord says, My wisdom is greater than the cunning of the devil. Since we do not all accept the same books, or use the same translations, can you please give a reference when you post a quote? Thanks, Perry From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Kingdom Come

2004-03-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/10/4 DC 10:43 http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/bom_early_problems/bompreface.htm the quote is from the 1830 BoM preface: PREFACE. TO THE READER— As many false reports have been circulated respecting the following work, and also many unlawful measures taken by

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-02 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 07:15:29 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Vincent suggested there are several evidences that give reason to believe it was written by Paul. I did?? What did I say? -- DAVEH: Ooops.I'm

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-02 Thread Dave
Terry Clifton wrote: Dave: Are you certain that you heard Steve Brown correctly? I would be surprised to find that he felt Hebrews not to be inerrant. DAVEH: Perhaps you did not understand what I said above, Terry. SB said the HEADING of Hebrews is not part

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-02 Thread Dave
DAVEH: Once again, I am indebted to you for your thoughtful comments, DavidM. Thanx!!! David Miller wrote: DAVEH: To DavidM or any other TTers who wish to comment: This morning on the way to work I listened to my favorite Bible preacher on the radioSteve Brown of Key

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-02 Thread Dave
Terry Clifton wrote: but it is part of the Christian Bible, placed there by the leading of the Holy Spirit. DAVEH: A few years ago I made the statement that I believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. At the time, I received a lot of flack

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-02 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which translation is correct? DAVEH: Don't you mean to ask, "which translation is the most correct"??? G ~P 235 On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 07:15:29 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe the Bible to be the word of God as

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-02 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: butthey die; for what reason? DAVEH: They physically die because of inheriting Adam's physical state. They are spiritually alive because they have not sinned. G ~ P 235 On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:00:11 -0800 Dave [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Kingdom Come

2004-03-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Thanks, Kevin. You are faster than a speeding bullet. Your testimony is more powerful than a locomotive. You are able to leap tall Moroni's in a single bound. g Perry From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kingdom Come

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DaveH, what is the most perfect book ever written? From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 21:04:21 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which translation is correct? DAVEH: Don't you mean to ask,

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-02 Thread Dave
Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH, what is the most perfect book ever written? DAVEH: THE BOOK OF LIFE as described in Rev 20:12. Do you disagree, Perry? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find