[TruthTalk] One with God

2004-08-22 Thread Dave Hansen
ShieldsFamily wrote: DaveH, what do you think that means? Izzy DAVEH:  Oh boy, Izzy.To answer that invites criticism from Perry that I'm preaching LDS theology on TT.  But, I'll risk his condemnation.  :-)     As I've stated previously, I believe the Lord cr

Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Robert of Ancient Discoveries

2004-08-22 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: I am skeptical on this as well, Izzy. I did not post it as necessarily factual, but rather because I thought it to be interesting. ShieldsFamily wrote: Does this sound like Jesus was baptized in a cave? "After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heav

RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Robert of Ancient Discoveries

2004-08-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
Does this sound like Jesus was baptized in a cave? "After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and [Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32; Acts 7:56] he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him..."(Matt 3:16) Izzy -Orig

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
DaveH, what do you think that means? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature   DAVEH:  Hm..after thinking a

[TruthTalk] Courtesy of Robert of Ancient Discoveries

2004-08-22 Thread Dave Hansen
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040816/D84GD8U80.html -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE. -- "Let your speec

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-22 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  Hm..after thinking about it, Izzy.I've got a better reply than my earlier comment. ShieldsFamily wrote: I didn’t say BECOME Him. J Iz DAVEH:    Nor did I, Izzy.   As the Bible teaches though, it is our destiny to become one

Re: [Fwd: Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature]

2004-08-22 Thread Dave Hansen
Shame on you. If you would sit down and really take a good long look at both passages, you would, I think, see why I say some of the things I say. But to answer your question, Paul is not talking about the Old Law in Ro 2:12 --16 except to use it as an illustration that any law is

Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson and Kruger

2004-08-22 Thread Knpraise
Just finished reading two books: one is The Great Dance, by Kruger and the second, the Letter to the Ephesians, by Paul.   ---   all of it is a little overwhelming.    Much insight and some questions.   I will say that Kruger is no theological liberal.   At least, not according to my under

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Three encounters in one day in the store (not typical)

2004-08-22 Thread Knpraise
When it is all said and done,  those of us who name the name of Christ are more the family of God than some might want to admit.   Here is that liberal Lance Canadian guy presenting us with testimony that fills us all with the same emotion and the same identical sense of praise.   Yes  -- prais

[TruthTalk] Re:Three encounters in one day in the store (not typical)

2004-08-22 Thread Lance Muir
1.An acquaintance (Pentecostal pastor) who's father died one month ago. Apparently in the 30 minutes prior to his dying he engaged both his father and his grandfather in conversation (he apparently was able to see both). A 'window' was opened then, he died.   2.A  family visited purchasing re

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-22 Thread Dave Hansen
ShieldsFamily wrote: I didn’t say BECOME Him. J Iz DAVEH:  Yeah.that would be too much oneness, eh!    :-)   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:58 PM To: [EMAIL PR

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-22 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 8/22/2004 6:03:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Izzy  --  no one glorifies division.  Disagreement and "conflict" (not leading to division) CANNOT be avoided.   Judy, you, me, Lance, and so on will find absolutely no fellowship o

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-22 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 8/22/2004 5:49:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Correction: a talking head perched upon a pile of flesh. Starting to sound like a Stephen King movie. JD

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-22 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 8/22/2004 5:40:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, When we are walking âin the Spiritâ we will have differences of opinion, but treat each other respectfully and kindly in the process.  When we are walking âin the fleshâ we will have conflict, anger, ins

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-22 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Izzy  --  no one glorifies division.  Disagreement and "conflict" (not leading to division) CANNOT be avoided.   Judy, you, me, Lance, and so on will find absolutely no fellowship of saints that stands in total agreement.  It exists in your marriage (an mine)  --  i

RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
Correction: a talking head perched upon a pile of flesh.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 6:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?   Or, worse yet, a talking head perched up

RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
Or, worse yet, a talking head perched upon a body.     Of course, if you are like Lance and believe you are merely a body with talking head then this would not mean much to you... :)    

RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, When we are walking “in the Spirit” we will have differences of opinion, but treat each other respectfully and kindly in the process.  When we are walking “in the flesh” we will have conflict, anger, insults, supercilious haughtiness, etc.  “Union”, at the expense of Truth, is not the

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
ï     On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:00:11 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Disagreement and "conflict" (not leading to division) CANNOT be avoided.   Judy, you, me, Lance, and so on will find absolutely no fellowship of saints that stands in total agreement.  It exists in your marriage (an mine

[TruthTalk] "Better Off"

2004-08-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
I am reading a book which I am enjoying immensely.  Title: “Better Off—Flipping the Switch on Technology”.  Subtitle: “Two People, One Year, Zero Watts”.  It was just released by Harper-Collins publishers and authored by a local man, Eric Brende.  He lives in a nearby St. Louis neighborho

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-22 Thread Knpraise
Sister Taylor  -  again we have a statement from you that I agree with.   I no longer am sure as to what it is that we are arguing about.    John In a message dated 8/22/2004 5:11:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: Having the "mind of Christ" does not mean being i

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: Having the "mind of Christ" does not mean being in compliance with anything and the NT is not a rule book.  Having the Mind of Christ is the same as having the indwelling Holy Spirit - Paul's figure of speech is explained starting in 1 Cor 2:11-16 "For what man knoweth the things of a man

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

2004-08-22 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 8/22/2004 4:06:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: Faith works by love and love is what fulfills God's Law through Christ. Actually faith is also a gift because it is the faith of Christ that we live by .. so it is all grace. Judy, Judy, Judy  --  I have

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-22 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 8/22/2004 2:15:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, it follows (in Krugerâs mind) that disagreement and conflict are of God? Just follow the fruitââletâs see, insults and arrogance are goodââ.I donât like where this leads.  Guess Iâll stick with Jesus. J Iz

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-22 Thread Knpraise
"Go team go" is encouragement.   The epistles are full of INSTRUCTION on living this new life proving that the readers are not in full compliance with being of the mind of Christ. John In a message dated 8/22/2004 12:54:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because being born

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-22 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 8/22/2004 1:35:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: It wasn't meant as an insult per se John, this is just how it is - no point in pretending. I find Lance's gospel 'way out there'  Too far out for me and you do appear to be feeding on it regularly. I fe

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-22 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 8/21/2004 11:05:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH:  AMENto both of your comments. Trouble maker   ;-)

Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

2004-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:10:12 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We'll go with ... brown.   JohnIn a message dated 8/21/2004 4:18:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John writes:I am guessing that you believe that I am not studied in scripture

Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature (Romans 1.12-16)

2004-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: Let me change that to "some sort of superstitious thing" - My belief doesn't go this far   On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:17:21 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 8/21/2004 5:48:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John: When baseball season comes on, an

RE: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
So, it follows (in Kruger’s mind) that disagreement and conflict are of God? Just follow the fruit……let’s see, insults and arrogance are good…….I don’t like where this leads.  Guess I’ll stick with Jesus. J Izzy   “Gelatins” 5: 19   Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: (36)

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
I didn’t say BECOME Him. J Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature   Lance Muir wrote: Iz:you may need to nu

RE: [TruthTalk] John repents

2004-08-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
John the Effusive, don’t stop writing. It’s a nice interlude to Lance’s insults. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 9:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] John r

RE: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16

2004-08-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
What sayeth Lance on this issue?   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 9:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Romans 2:12-16   In a message dated 8/21/2004 11:36:04 AM Pacific Dayligh

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature

2004-08-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, I agree there are cultural mores reflected in our thinking of right and wrong.  There is also a true right and wrong awareness in our heart that is put there by God alone.  (That more important conscience is what Lance disputes.) Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
What this was a response to is Lance's contention that God changes even though His Word says He does not. Lance (or maybe it is Kruger) believes the Trinity are all different personalities and so if believers are in conflict with each other and don't think the same thing - this is good rather

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: It wasn't meant as an insult per se John, this is just how it is - no point in pretending. I find Lance's gospel 'way out there'  Too far out for me and you do appear to be feeding on it regularly.   On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:52:03 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 8/21/2004

Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

2004-08-22 Thread Judy Taylor
Because being born again is the doorway to Christ, it is just the beginning; there is a walk of faith and a spiritual war that we become part of and we are to overcome.  The epistles are written to encourage.   On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:32:08 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 8