Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread ttxpress
1., below, is myth   (it's not possible now, for anyone in Am.; there are too many historic roots and political and economic parallels solidified betw all church/es and state/s--e.g., in christianity, the amorphous Cath. ch. 'effectively' adaptd to Hitlerism; it adapts to America (named for

Re: [TruthTalk] Bush on Tax Cuts

2004-10-24 Thread ttxpress
time will tell   On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:56:51 -0400 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>Numbers don't lie

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread ttxpress
  Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:47:14 -0400, DavidM >>.. as you can see, Paul's style was to quote sayings and proverbs which do>>not have an origin in Scripture..     when did King James become a radical conservative?

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 8:21:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: makes me happy (assuming you don't eat the bun)   BUT  did you have to say In and Out Burger?   We don't have them here and my son went to CA and came back raving about them.  Now you made me hungry!!!  Laura

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 8:12:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the cross John.  Christ was made to be sin for us who knew no sin. He took our place IOW he did not know sin before the cross. He was not born with a sin nature and he did not succumb to any temptation dur

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 7:50:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:09:15 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/24/2004 10:18:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How does God fellowship with the sinner and avoid fell

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread LaurHamm
In a message dated 10/24/2004 9:30:46 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i have called my wife and told her to bring me an In and Out Burger  --- I hope you all are happy.   John Yeah  That makes me happy (assuming you don't eat the bun)   BUT  did you have to say In

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
Exactly. And so simple to understand for those with minds uncluttered by untruths. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?   Judy T

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
    From: Todd & Shirley Zumbehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: For Linda: FW: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin   John, Where is your response to SSS? Or is the speelling wrong? :-) Izzy --

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
Meaning what, exactly? Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 4:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin   Slade is outlining something (gnosticism) very import

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
I don't get it either, Judy. Why Primarily Spirit? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 1:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin   In a message dated

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
Meaning whizzing past your ears again, John? Those who state that Christ was a sinner because he came in the likeness of Man do not realize that He was not IDENTICAL with us because He was the Manifestation of God in the flesh: a perfect Lamb who came to take away our sins. Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] 4th Commandment

2004-10-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
  Let me restate it: those who insisted on killing Paul were not Believers in messiah Yeshua. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 1:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 4th Comma

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:09:15 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/24/2004 10:18:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:How does God fellowship with the sinner and avoid fellowship with sin?   Judyt: I wrote the above in response to a statement e

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 7:02:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey John    You can have the whole thing!!!  No carbs and no fat!!  LOL  Laura i have called my wife and told her to bring me an In and Out Burger  --- I hope you all are happy.   John

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 6:55:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They're my favorite.   -- slade Your ability to cause deep pain  rises to the level of a professional  -:) John

Fwd: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread LaurHamm
Hey John    You can have the whole thing!!!  No carbs and no fat!!  LOL  Laura --- Begin Message --- I hope you like cherry...     They're my favorite.   -- slade <> --- End Message ---

Re: [TruthTalk] Importance of This Election

2004-10-24 Thread LaurHamm
Your friend is to be respected for standing up and being counted in such a gathering.  Laura

RE: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Slade Henson
I hope you like cherry...     They're my favorite.   -- slade <>

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 6:41:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you want one? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 24 October, 2004 21.32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk

RE: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Slade Henson
Do you want one? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, 24 October, 2004 21.32To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?In a message dated 10/24/2004 6:18:25 PM Pacific Daylight

RE: [TruthTalk] Question

2004-10-24 Thread Slade Henson
The point of the writing (that I can determine) is that the lines between women and men should not be blurred to the point where it's difficult to determine who is male and who is female within a culture's context. But to answer your question, there is no command from Moshe in regard to the length

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 6:18:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I fully expect those of this persuasion to be contradictory in their essay(s) because they are wrong in their general and primary assumptions.   Ok. Have a nice day. There is not a single piece of pie in t

Re: [TruthTalk] Slade Requests John's Understanding

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 6:08:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok. I am going to carry this doctrine to its logical conclusion.   All things were accomplished with the death, burial, and resurrection of Messiah. We (well, actually, no one) falls under the Mosaic Covena

RE: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Slade Henson
I fully expect those of this persuasion to be contradictory in their essay(s) because they are wrong in their general and primary assumptions.   Ok. Have a nice day.

RE: [TruthTalk] Importance of This Election

2004-10-24 Thread Slade Henson
A friend of mine wrote me an email. I thought you might enjoy/hate it, depending upon your perspective.   -- slade It was a chilling experience a couple of weeks ago when I attended a dinner to announce statewide awards in Wisconsin at the the Univ. of Wisconsin Arboretum for ecol

RE: [TruthTalk] Slade Requests John's Understanding

2004-10-24 Thread Slade Henson
Ok. I am going to carry this doctrine to its logical conclusion.   All things were accomplished with the death, burial, and resurrection of Messiah. We (well, actually, no one) falls under the Mosaic Covenant; in fact, the Avrahamic Covenant is nixed as well because Messiah accomplished all

RE: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-24 Thread Jonathan Hughes
Aye Slade.  Thank you.  However, you made a good point in your post to Judy.  None of us are impervious to foreign pagan thought entering our beliefs.  We all have to be conscious and help each other become aware of how anti-Christian thought has slipped in without us knowing.  As I see it

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 5:38:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: D.Stern gave four example of how the passage can be interpreted. He said the fourth, in his opinion, was the correct one. Therefore, someone would be able to quote something from numbers 1, 2, or 3, and clai

[TruthTalk] Question

2004-10-24 Thread Terry Clifton
I have a question that possibly Jeff or Slade or someone else familiar with the Mosaic law might be able to answer. Paul states in the NT that men should have short hair and women should have long hair. My question is this: Is there any place in the OT where this was ordered by God? If not, w

RE: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Slade Henson
D.Stern gave four example of how the passage can be interpreted. He said the fourth, in his opinion, was the correct one. Therefore, someone would be able to quote something from numbers 1, 2, or 3, and claim he wrote it... which he did... but it still is not his opinion. By doing so (or add

RE: [TruthTalk] One lone voice

2004-10-24 Thread Jonathan Hughes
Judy’s article brings up Hitler, wondering how he ever came to power.  The following article compares George Bush with Adolph Hitler, not in an outrageous way but in the use of fear, hypnotism and other techniques pioneered by Hitler.  Over and over I have pointed out how Bush (and in some

Re: [TruthTalk] Importance of This Election

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 2:46:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The defeat of President Bush will send a chilling message to future presidents who may need to make difficult, yet unpopular decisions.  America has always been a nation that rises to the demands of history r

RE: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-24 Thread Slade Henson
Thank you Jonathan. You've done my work for me. I can mark the posts I was going to answer and read!   - slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jonathan HughesSent: Sunday, 24 October, 2004 16.08To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject

RE: [TruthTalk] Importance of This Election

2004-10-24 Thread Jonathan Hughes
Here is an article from The American Conservative, an important and highly respected right-wing journal.  Guess what?  They don’t endorse Bush.  Now this brings up something interesting.  Many in the conservative right do not view Bush as a conservative.  Rather, he is viewed as a neo-conse

RE: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Slade Henson
There is a simple explanation to the hair-splitting, Lance. People forget the Hebrew language and mindset is one geared toward action not the innate nature of something. Does God weigh the spirit (the essence of a man) or does He judge the spirits (the motivations of a man)?   -- slade -

RE: [TruthTalk] Importance of This Election

2004-10-24 Thread Jonathan Hughes
Let’s look at Judy’s blatant attempt at partisan politics.  Is there any preamble for TT to discuss?  Of course not.  Just more spam for your inbox.   The columnist states that there will be no sarcasm.  I cannot make the same claim.    First he makes this election out to be the most i

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 2:37:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, when you are on, you are really on.  Thank you.  When I read stuff like this I actually believe that God can visit even this forum.   Jonathan   Appreciated.   Nice to know that once in a whil

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 2:17:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is not God who changes not, it is Judy. -:) j

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 10:24:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you know what set me off? John    No.   slade Slade says:    Your last comment, "Whether this contradicts his statement in another part of the book is of no concern to me" is a typical response fr

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 10:23:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripture tells us Avraham believed YHVH and it was accounted to him as righteousness. Scripture tells us the commandments of  God are righteous and to perform them will be righteousness to us.   But to ans

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 10:18:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How does God fellowship with the sinner and avoid fellowship with sin? You should know  -  you are one of them  (me too).  Don't you see that, logically, you are saying that God has nothing to do with us i

[TruthTalk] One lone voice

2004-10-24 Thread Judy Taylor
          You may have already voted, but thought you would like to see this.     One lone voice          Before dawn this morning I awoke with a sense of impending doom    and panic.  At first I thought I had been awaken

[TruthTalk] Importance of This Election

2004-10-24 Thread Judy Taylor
And this from a Texan cousin...   If any of this worries you , I encourage you to send this to as many people as you can before the election.  This truly is one of the most important elections in our history.   Even the Houston Chronicle today (10/24) got it right.      

RE: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-24 Thread Jonathan Hughes
John, when you are on, you are really on.  Thank you.  When I read stuff like this I actually believe that God can visit even this forum.   Jonathan   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 10:56 AM To: [EM

RE: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Jonathan Hughes
Jonathan in blue.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 4:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin     On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:11:48 -0400

RE: [TruthTalk] FYI: Kerry's hometown newspaper endorses George W. Bush

2004-10-24 Thread Jonathan Hughes
Pride would be saying that I can easily outlink, outtalk, outthink, and outsense anyone on this forum.  What I did say was that I could do that to any of the silly articles Judy and Izzy post here in their Christian Kerry bashing.  The point is that I will no longer stand for blatant Kerry

RE: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-24 Thread Jonathan Hughes
If Judy was to actually stand corrected it would mean a turning around on her position.  Of course she does not do this.  After ‘standing corrected’ she spends the next four sentences regarding how she is still correct.  She uses invective (when said she wasn’t being honest she translates t

Re: [TruthTalk] FYI: Kerry's hometown newspaper endorses George W. Bush

2004-10-24 Thread Terry Clifton
Jonathan Hughes wrote: Laugh, the garbage you spew forth on this forum is humorous.  Bush’s own hometown newspaper doesn’t even support him!  Want more?  http://explog.com/ By the way, if you want to get into a conservative versus liberal propaganda war here on TT you are only

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Judy Taylor
  On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:11:48 -0400 "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>writes:Judy, Were the disciples sinners?  Did they not continue to sin while they were His disciples?    Judyt: They had a covenant with God through Moses and were born under the law which was effective before the cr

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 9:48:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But be sure to ignore the additional verses in my quote.   That way you still have a chance at making your point.    Adam was the phsyical, Christ was the spiritual.   That is waht the text says.   You are

RE: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Jonathan Hughes
Judy,   Were the disciples sinners?  Did they not continue to sin while they were His disciples?  Was not Judas Iscariot a close friend of Jesus?  Did Christ fellowship with the disciples?  Did Christ eat with prostitutes and sinners like the Pharisee’s accused Him of?  You keep quoting,

RE: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-24 Thread Jonathan Hughes
To sum it up for you:   I call your brand of Christianity Gnostic for two reasons:   1)  You place primacy on the spiritual portion of the human.  You claim Adam and Eve were primarily spirit beings.  This is pure unadulterated Gnosticism.  It is not the Hebrew nor Christian way of view

RE: [TruthTalk] FYI: Kerry's hometown newspaper endorses George W. Bush

2004-10-24 Thread Jonathan Hughes
By the way, note the incredible quality difference between the two papers.  One (that favours Bush) is completely based upon fear; hey look guys, no one has attacked us on American soil since!  Bush must be doing a great job!.  The other (the one that favours Kerry) is based not upon the re

Re: [TruthTalk] FYI: Kerry's hometown newspaper endorses George W. Bush

2004-10-24 Thread Lance Muir
Look Jonathan, I've just gone through a week of NLTR (not listening to Rush) and, I'm experiencing withdrawal symptoms so, if you Canadians are going to spew that liberal X&$#  do it somewhere else. OK?  - Original Message - From: Jonathan Hughes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [TruthTalk] FYI: Kerry's hometown newspaper endorses George W. Bush

2004-10-24 Thread Jonathan Hughes
Laugh, the garbage you spew forth on this forum is humorous.  Bush’s own hometown newspaper doesn’t even support him!  Want more?  http://explog.com/ By the way, if you want to get into a conservative versus liberal propaganda war here on TT you are only setting yourself up for a loss.  I

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Lance Muir
Sure! 'Foolish Westerners! You have time for all this?'  - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 24, 2004 13:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin     On Sun, 24 Oct 2004

[TruthTalk] FYI: Kerry's hometown newspaper endorses George W. Bush

2004-10-24 Thread Judy Taylor
It's tough when the Democrat leaning newspaper in a Democrat town in a Democrat state won't support its hometown candidate. When you read this you can see why. Kerry can't fool the people he's been around for the last 32 years!Lowell Sun Endorsement: George W. Bush for president Sunday, Octob

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:48 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I heard a story this morning: A woman in China heard from God that she was to go the front of the Police Station where she was to preach the gospel. She did. She was arrested and, imprisoned for 6 months.

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Lance Muir
I heard a story this morning: A woman in China heard from God that she was to go the front of the Police Station where she was to preach the gospel. She did. She was arrested and, imprisoned for 6 months. 800 persons were saved therein.   I wonder what this dear, faithful woman would make of

RE: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Slade Henson
Do you know what set me off?John     No.   slade 

RE: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Slade Henson
Scripture tells us Avraham believed YHVH and it was accounted to him as righteousness. Scripture tells us the commandments of  God are righteous and to perform them will be righteousness to us.   But to answer your question, no. Faith and Righteousness are not exactly the same.   -- slade

RE: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Slade Henson
  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, 24 October, 2004 02.51To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?In a message dated 10/22/2004 2:43:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PRO

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:13:53 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/24/2004 2:01:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy writes: God's nature is to love and He does love us but it is mostly from afar because He can not look upon, let alone fe

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-24 Thread Lance Muir
All 'she' has is a body with breath in it 'til there ain't no breath left in it then, dust ensues. The rest is gobbledy-gook for sure. Now, doncha all go quotin' them there tripartate inferences (y'all call 'em verses I know" back at me 'cause y'er just confused as to understandin' 'em. OK?

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-24 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:29:02 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/24/2004 9:11:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul."  The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.   However, the spiritua

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Lance Muir
Yes, I'll forward details. L - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 24, 2004 12:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin In a message dated 10/24/2004 3:10:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-24 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:56:09 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul."  The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.   However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, then the spiritual.  The first man is from the ear

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 9:11:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul."  The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.   However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, then the spiritual.  The first man is f

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 3:10:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PS: Anyone in the market from some of Lance's heretical books? By the way  -- is there anything out there, still in print, by Oscar Culman.   The speelling on the last name may not be correct. John

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-24 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:56:09 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You asked for a scripture.   I am going to give you a scripture that is specific to the question of whether Adam was a "spirit being" or not.    You have read it many times, I am sure;  So also it is written, "The first m

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 2:01:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy writes: God's nature is to love and He does love us but it is mostly from afar because He can not look upon, let alone fellowship with sin. He does not fellowship sin  -- but He does the sinner.   Jo

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 1:01:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the cross John.  Christ was made to be sin for us who knew no sin. He took our place IOW he did not know sin before the cross. He was not born with a sin nature and he did not succumb to any temptation dur

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Judy Taylor
From: Slade Henson   It is the spiritual part of us that died the day A&E fell away in the garden because of sin. Their souls still existed and they did not die physically until many decades later according to the scriptures   Man's abili

Re: [TruthTalk] the Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/24/2004 12:52:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/23/2004 10:57:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They were primarily spirit beings with the same nature and character at the beginning, that is, before the fall N

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy Taylor wrote:     On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 02:45:59 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: \ Judyt: On the cross John.  Christ was made to be sin for us who knew no sin. He took our place IOW he did not know sin before the cross. He was not born with a sin nature and he did

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Jeff Powers
Slade, This is one for the refrigerator, A real keeper!! - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 22:35 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin It is the spiritual part of us that

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-24 Thread Lance Muir
And, that I'm as 'disjointed' as ever! Perhaps someone, like myself, who also thinks (?) in a stream of consciousness kinda' way will sort this out for you. Judith, ya got da 'bug.  - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 24, 2004

[TruthTalk] The Kryptonite theory of sin

2004-10-24 Thread Judy Taylor
    Lance writes: A missionary friend has just flown over to Indonesia to visit the Yali. Over some 20 years he worked, along with a team, to create a written language then, translate the Bible. One of the issues he wishes to address is that of the 'western gospel' (read gnostic, dualistic) h

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Lance Muir
Yikes!! A gnostic among us! We're being shot at by a human counterpart to tritheism (body, soul, and spirit). Where's the cavalry? Wait, here they come now with Capt. Slade leading the charge.  From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Lance Muir
Your Bible (read: your interpretation of 'your Bible') IS wrong. One of my favorite opening lines: 'according to MY Bible' (not). From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 24, 2004 03:50 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite The

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Lance Muir
Slade is outlining something (gnosticism) very important here. It's truly worth looking into. The Hebrew understanding is correct while the Greek understanding (that which prevails in much Christian thought/writing) is errant. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To:

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Lance Muir
Lances (sp) Lance's (correctamundo) In reality they are not Lance's books at all. They are books written by a variety of authors which were mailed from this location. I don't own it. I just work here as a humble (?) seller of books.   PS: Anyone in the market from some of Lance's heretical

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Lance Muir
A missionary friend has just flown over to Indonesia to visit the Yali. Over some 20 years he worked, along with a team, to create a written language then, translate the Bible. One of the issues he wishes to address is that of the 'western gospel' (read gnostic, dualistic) he preached some y

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance a question about Bill T

2004-10-24 Thread Lance Muir
al Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 24, 2004 03:33 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance a question about Bill T My wife and I are going to take the truck and tools back to our daughter in Colorado.  We ill be gone from Wed this w

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 03:10:08 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/22/2004 8:02:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Judy writes: God's nature is to love and He does love us but it is mostly from afar because He can not look upon, let alone fellowsh

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:16:48 -0400 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I know you're not Gnostic, but Gnostic influences appear in our doctrine in various places. Most Christians are far more Gnostic than anyone here on TruthTalk. Surprisingly, people take "flesh and bloo

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 02:50:31 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John -- I just know that God exchanges faith for righteousness because He has to. jt: Why does he have to?  I wouldn't think that God would have to do anything other than keep His own Word.   Slade -- Faith was the b

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 02:45:59 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/22/2004 12:07:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:David Miller wrote: Jesus Christ had sin, but he was not a sinner. Would you agree with this statement?John: Perhaps I am being too

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 03:23:42 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/23/2004 10:57:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:They were primarily spirit beings with the same nature and character at the beginning, that is, before the fall No scripture f

Re: [TruthTalk] What is sin?

2004-10-24 Thread Judy Taylor
  In a message dated 10/22/2004 8:50:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:of course not, jt(!)  let's think:  i suspect that consciousness of sin is an original concept of the Ap Paul, spiritually, rediscovrd periodically by, e.g. MLuthr,   jt: Consciousness of sin hasn't go

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance a question about Bill T

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
My wife and I are going to take the truck and tools back to our daughter in Colorado.  We ill be gone from Wed this week through the following week.    Does Bill Taylor live in Colorado or do I remember this poorly?   Also, Lance  send me your address and I will send you some money.   (Yes, e

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/23/2004 10:57:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They were primarily spirit beings with the same nature and character at the beginning, that is, before the fall No scripture for this  -- wondering why. John

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/23/2004 10:43:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Weren't Adam and Eve created in the image (likeness) of God? Doesn't mean they were identical in every way. Izzy Is this a serious question.  

Re: [TruthTalk] The Kryptonite Theory of Sin

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/22/2004 8:02:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy writes: God's nature is to love and He does love us but it is mostly from afar because He can not look upon, let alone fellowship with sin.   Jonathans response is great -- but i ask "what of the in

Re: [TruthTalk] 4th Commandment

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/22/2004 6:30:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   John, Perhaps it takes a fundamental Bible thumper to understand that the Jews who persecuted Paul were NOT Christians, and therefore were not any part of any CHURCH. Izzy Those outside the church are no

Re: [TruthTalk] Slade Requests John's Understanding

2004-10-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 10/22/2004 6:09:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me ask you a pointed question, John. I hope you choose not to ignore me as I deserve. You are not of my descent (doctrinally) but let me ask if I understand your interpretation of Matthew 5:17-18. Verse 1