Angels photographed
over nation's capital?
Hanukkah mystery: Eerie blue
images caught on camera at menorah lighting
www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41819
(Sorry, John, but I couldn’t copy it
due to the photo.) Izzy
Because you don’t like him. (duh!) Iz
-Original Message-
I don't get it, David: What is it that would make
you think we don't know you?
Perhaps you could send one to TT?
-Original Message-
Some people know how to
disagree without being jerks in the process.
In a message dated 12/7/2004 8:08:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DM: It certainly seems that theological agreement plays a very important
relationship role to guys like you and John Smithson.
You are the one who uses words like "blasphemous" when faced with disagreement i
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
. It is just that all us have this in common to one degree or
another -- we all think we are right and until the other(s) cahnge,
there is nothing that can be done about.
=
Ain't that the truth!
In a message dated 12/7/2004 7:50:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That bothers me, but until you change, there is nothing I can do about it. :-)
Terry
Ahh. The humility of it all !! I am sure glad I am not like you!!
Not like me? You mean that you are not sur
DM: Now you seem to indicate here that our discussion over differences
strain our relationship with you. Can you explain this?
BT: Your statement is far too general, David. It is not every discussion
over differences that strains relationships. Some people know how to
disagree without being jerks
(..ex.e.get.i.cal.ly..in Gen 15, maybe Moses
nuances betw two words 'offspring' and 'descendants'...
lit.er.ar.i.ly..one could argue that Moses' big ideas there revolve
around the subtle positioning of his (two)
words..the.o.log.i.cal.ly..one short passage, two
big ideas?
beynd
that...h
That’s “ex cathedra”.
I no longer know if your speaking ex-cathedral or not.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/7/2004 3:09:40 PM
Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We
are getting along. We just do not agree.
That bothers me, but until you change, there is nothing I can do about
it. :-)
Terry
Ahh. The humility of it all !!
In a message dated 12/7/2004 7:27:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ahh. The humility of it all !! I am sure glad I am not like you!!
I forgot the :-) (I just can't bring myself to say "happy face.")
John
In a message dated 12/7/2004 3:09:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We are getting along. We just do not agree.
That bothers me, but until you change, there is nothing I can do about it. :-)
Terry
Ahh. The humility of it all !! I am sure glad I am not like you!!
In a message dated 12/7/2004 10:05:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John Smithson wrote:
>A one time experience is not logical for logic,
>scientifically speaking, is the philosophy of right
>thinking based on thoughtful comparisons (of
>what ALREADY EXISTS in our world) and
A wise man indeed, and very [Torah?]
observant :)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Terry
CliftonSent: Tuesday, 07 December, 2004 19.54To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The land of the
easily offended.
A wis
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Dennis Prager, one of
America's most respected and popular nationally syndicated radio
talk-show hosts,
is the author of several books and a frequent guest on TV shows such as
"Larry King Live," "The O'Reilly Factor" and "Hannity
& Colmes."
A wise man indeed,
From WorldNetDaily.com
Blue America: The land
of the easily offended
Posted: December 7, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2004 Creators Syndicate
Commentators on our country
explain our blue-red division in many ways – liberal-conservative;
secular-religious; North-South; coasts-h
Slade Henson wrote:
P.S. If Terry and I are not getting along, then
it is quite clearly my fault. I simply did not want to waste his nor my
time.
We are getting along. We just do not agree.
That bothers me, but until you change, there is nothing I can do about
it. :-)
Terry
Now if
we could look at Genesis 15 alone and in a box, there would/could be complete
agreement between Terry (for example) and I. However, I cannot glimpse Genesis
15 in a sole bubble and neither can Terry. We see the covenant with Avraham
in light of Messiah, the Law, the [Re]Newed Covenant
Gary is this what you were looking for?
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:52:02 -0500 "Jeff Powers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
David,
From the beginning of Gods creation God wanted nothing
more than a personal relationship with man. But, man chose not to have a
relationship with God. Dur
Thank you for agreeing.
-- slade
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Miller
Sent: Tuesday, 07 December, 2004 10.42
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [TruthTalk] Prophets
Teaching and prophecy are two different things. Prophets and Teachers a
DAVID -- Not all rationalists. I have argued this with many scientists on
strictly a
rational level.
SLADE -- Can you name an Evolutionist who is not a rationalist? I personally
can't, but you may have data I lack.
DAVID -- I'm not sure "prove" is the correct word choice here, but do you
believe
=
Apparently
it is hard for some to tell it like it is when they know that the deacons would
fire them when the sermon was over. Terry
I’ve
certainly seen that happen. That’s why we have churches that are
full of people but not
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
'look
at lifetime tile roof' while their bamboo walls're swayin' in twistrs
of exegetical myth :)
What a vivid mental picture this conjures up!
Terry
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Terry,
what you have is indeed the ideal situation for a church (I think).
However, don’t look down too much on evangelical churches that lure in
the lost folks and get them saved. Diff’rent strokes for diff’rent
folks. I am thankful there are chu
David, do you believe that if someone
commits an intentional sin
(by whatever definition) after being saved
that they are
going to hell? Izzy
David Miller wrote:
>> Jesus did not pay any sacrifice
>> for intentional sin.
Izzy wrote:
> Then I might as well hang it up now-I'm sunk!
> I'm sure I've intentionally sinned at least once in
> the past 30+ years. (And to think I thought I had
> a Savior.)
Think again. What you might think of
*correction,
below
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:56:13 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
there's a famous
pic of him, Jeff, at the WW in Jers w/ skul cap on, brought to the fore
by EB, howevr, BD very adroitly avoidd being categorizd
as whatevr that represnts; howevr, while he dn't deny eit
John Smithson wrote:
> The author,
here, demonstrates the illogic he
> is trying to avoid. Whether or not
God's
> participation in a particular revelation(s) is
> provable has nothing to do with the character
> of His being.
You again
confuse the concept of "logic" and "proof." The
rock
on
L,
g
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 06:50:00 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Yeah, you've put your finger on the same pulse
that beats at me. You may be right, too. But I rather think of truth as
more an emergent property of relationships. Take away the
relations
John Smithson wrote:
> A one time experience is not logical for logic,
> scientifically speaking, is the philosophy of right
> thinking based on thoughtful comparisons (of
> what ALREADY EXISTS in our world) and
> necessary conclusions drawn from those comparisons,
A one time experience is fine i
there's a famous
pic of him, Jeff, at the WW in Jers w/ skul cap on, brought to the fore by
EB, howevr, BD very adroitly avoidd being categorizd as whatevr
that represnts; howevr, while he dn't deny eithr cat, below, he v
decisively denied numerous alt religious options, e.g. ('not') 'Cathol
interestg comment,
but no
simply, Slade, on
the front burner here is how to get along better--it's possible, and, i suspect
we'd tend to agree more, conversely disagree/argue less, with more emphasis on
accurate analysis of texts such as Gen 15, which is one source of
legitimate disagreem
Jonathan wrote:
> You continue to help us define anthropological theology.
> You define all things in God from a human standpoint
> instead of allowing God's revelation in Himself to define
> all things human (called theological anthropology).
> You did it with your word study on 'hate' and you are
This I got off another forum, it was funny, but theologically interesting:
The following is supposedly an actual question given on a University of
Washington chemistry mid-term. The answer by one student was so
"profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the
Internet, which is, o
In a message dated 12/7/2004 8:16:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>John humbly illustrates an example from his
>own life and all you have to come back with
>is that you are so clearly above us all by not
>having an ex-wife of your own. Sad. Tactless.
>John certainly doesn'
Jonathan wrote:
> Please define what the sin in the Garden
> of Eden was? Attempt to do it without
> using the words autonomy or individualism.
Ok. Disobedience, pride, lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes. How was
that?
Jonathan wrote:
> Then define what Lucifer's sin was.
Pride.
Jonathan w
Please, this is a serious question. Is there the SLIGHTEST POSSIBILITY that
the baseball wielding recipient of your highly rationalistic presentation of
the gospel mistook your epistemological humility for pride? It would appear,
on occasion, that some on TT so perceive you?
- Original Messag
Jonathan wrote:
> Define epistemological humility David.
> See the very first post I put on TruthTalk
> if you don't remember what it is.
> Note Lance's inclusion of everyone ("called
> for by all"). It was no attack on Terry any
> more than it was an attack on Slade/Jeff/Kay.
> This email tells u
As to the former I agree. Am I to infer from the latter that you are totally
dispassionate when it comes to disagreement? Are you, in reality,
emotionally unmoved? There exists no sense of internal distress? There are
beliefs you hold to that reflect a misreading of Scripture, doctrinal error
and,
Slade wrote:
> Rationalists believe the Fossil record proves Evolution.
Not all rationalists. I have argued this with many scientists on strictly a
rational level.
Slade wrote:
> I believe it to prove Creation.
I'm not sure "prove" is the correct word choice here, but do you believe
that the
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Kay wrote:
> There was no sacrifice for intentional sin.
> Jesus paid that.
Jesus did not pay any sacrifice for intentional sin.
Then I might as well hang it up now—I’m
sunk! I’m sure
I’ve intentionally sinned at least once in the past 30+ year
David Miller wrote:
Jesus did not pay any sacrifice for intentional sin. His sacrifice
was for sins of ignorance. The Torah is clear that those who commit
intentional sin are cut off from the covenant... no hope of repentance
or forgiveness. The author of Hebrews reiterates this in the
follo
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Just thought you’d all be happy to hear that I got my
Christmas card from George and Laura Bush today. J Izzy
Now I will be able to
sleep better at night. I was afraid that he might forget.
Terry
Better
than Santa Claus. J
We don't have a church
house or a pastor Kay. We have a home church, as many in the early church
did. No mortgage, no janitor, no secretary, no preacher, no bills.
Our giving is to those in need. In 1 Cor. 14:26, you find one , if not
the only description of a church meeting. If you re
In a message dated 12/7/2004 7:37:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The prophetic ministry, on the other hand,
hinges upon perceiving a word from God in the Spirit. A prophet is a seer.
He perceives a word directly from God. While every believer should
experience prophecy
You are, and you did.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 4:44 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup
Who is the right person and what are you desiring to have ans
In a message dated 12/7/2004 7:27:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jesus did not pay any sacrifice for intentional sin. His sacrifice was for
sins of ignorance. The Torah is clear that those who commit intentional sin
are cut off from the covenant... no hope of repentanc
Changed subject line. Otherwise, this post is the same as what I just sent.
If you choose to reply, please reply to this one or change the subject line.
Slade wrote:
> Nowadays, there are a lot of people who consider
> prophets to be someone who can teach and have
> that teaching run straight to
Slade wrote:
Nowadays, there are a lot of people who consider
prophets to be someone who can teach and have
that teaching run straight to the heart. I call that a
good teacher.
Teaching and prophecy are two different things. Prophets and Teachers are
two different ministries. Some prophets might
Terry wrote:
Who gets your tithe?
Kay wrote:
The orphan, the widow, the priest, and the
foreigner among us. This would be the rabbi
or pastor, the poor family needing assistance,
the homeless man who hangs out on Falkenburg
and Causeway, the family whose house burnt down,
hosting a meal for congreg
Slade Henson wrote:
Ah, I wasn't aware of that, Terry. We used
to have a home fellowship as well. Until we grew out of our house and
had to move to a building. Our fellowship was set up basically the same
way you're describing. No one was paid there, either, but we were able
to prov
Bill Taylor wrote:
Then we agree.
Of course we agree on the major aspects of Romans 13, but I think that there
are aspects of it that I perceive which you do not. There also perhaps are
aspects of it that you perceive that I do not. Discussion is what helps us
be able to appreciate the perspec
Bill Taylor wrote:
... but have you gotten to the truth? No you haven't.
You have strained your relationship though.
This is interesting, Bill. Perhaps there is a paradigm difference here that
should be investigated.
I learned long ago that relationship in Christ is not based upon doctrinal
agr
In a message dated 12/6/2004 1:41:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Now revelation might initially appear irrational if it runs contrary to our
general system of understanding. However, if the revelation is true, it
must by necessity be logical. Otherwise, we would have to
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Just thought
you’d all be happy to
hear that I got my Christmas card from George and Laura Bush today. J Izzy
Now I will be able to sleep better at night. I was afraid that he
might forget.
Terry
Et al
Yesterday, the posts from Terry and apparently some others did not get to me -- I saw them referred to. If some have addressed anything to me with no response, please re-post.
John
Yeah, you've put your finger on the same pulse that
beats at me. You may be right, too. But I rather think of truth as more an
emergent property of relationships. Take away the relationship and truth
scoots out from under you. Another way of saying it would be something on the
order of truth
Yep...the your son-in-laws (or daughter in-laws)
parents.
K.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Bill
TaylorSent: Monday, 06 December, 2004 22.43To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Mechutanim
I believe it means
Ah, I
wasn't aware of that, Terry. We used to have a home fellowship as well. Until we
grew out of our house and had to move to a building. Our fellowship was set up
basically the same way you're describing. No one was paid there, either, but we
were able to provide for a widow and send mone
reminds me of the story of the guy stranded alone on an island, he kept
praying for God to rescue him. it turns out that boat after boat stopped and
he told them to go away, that he was waiting for God to rescue him.
Gee was I to add a moral to this story, many people miss the hand of God
when
no G, I watch little of any tv. in a big week I might
watch 1-1 1/2 hours. I didn't even know about the interview until you mentioned
it. I'm just a Dylan fan of more years than I can count. I guess my only
comments would be a musing; when Bob got saved, did he convert to Christianity
comple
Who is the right person and what are you desiring to have answered?
-- slade
-Original Message-
From: ShieldsFamily
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup
And sometimes some of us are waiting for the right person to answer.
--
"Let your speech be always with grace, seaso
This
is a little open ended, don't you think? What are you referring to...
specifically? The cutting up of animals, God's response to Avraham's faith?
Avraham's response to God's declaration? Avraham's immobility? Multiple sources
of light passing though the animals? The ravenous birds attem
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