On Sun, 29 May 2005 20:48:58 -0400 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
jt: Christ did not
become a curse for those who keep on wilfully sinning JD. The curse
is still all over those ppl and they
are wearing
it. Sickness is the curse of the
law.
contrary to
philosophi
DAVEH: I appreciate your concern for my eternal welfare, Izzy. Would
it be OK with you if I first endure to the end before getting saved, as
the Savior suggested?
ShieldsFamily wrote:
I vote for
(4) Get saved and talk about
the REAL Jesus! J Izzy
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John’s response in bold type
JD: A redundant question on Paul’s part; the correct answer to both questions is the "hearing with faith" as opposed to the works (obedience) of the Law. I think "He" is God, but I will give you Paul for the sake of argument -- How did Paul provide you with
No, no they are not.
JD -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 29 May 2005 19:15:06 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit
Luke 10:27 “all things are possible with God."
From: [EMAIL PRO
We are no longer judged by law (Romans 2) but by and through the grace of God. "Apart from Law the righteousness of God has been manifested ..." (Ro 3:21). Not disagreeing with you - just adding a thought. If you are a true Believer and don’t obey the Law you will still go to heaven—just
I understand what you are saying is dispensational
teaching Terry - but there is just one tree and it has always
been Christ. Israel are the natural branches and
we have been grafted in (see Romans 11). God's ppl are God's
ppl in every generation and basically Jesus is the Word
of God. If
Izzy, Since I know others on TT have contributed, I intentionally used the
indefinite "who... may not have otherwise given it a second thought" to
exclude them.
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Lev.27:34 Judy. The Mosaic law was for the "Children of Israel". No
Gentile has ever been under Mosaic law unless he/she voluntarily became
a Jew.
Terry
Judy Taylor wrote:
Terry the law still judges us whenever we
break it - because the "righteous judgment of God" says that we wi
JD: A redundant question on the Pauls part; the correct answer to both
questions is the "hearing with faith" as opposed to the works (obedience) of the
Law. I think "He" is God, but I will give you Paul for the sake of
argument -- How did Paul provide you with the Spirit and the working
o
Perry, please keep in mind that it was "I" who exposed the Mormon underwear
thingy. Izzy
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Luke 10:27 “all
things are possible with God."
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When we become gods unto ourselves, wwe attempt the
impossible --
I vote for (4) Get saved and talk about
the REAL Jesus! J Izzy
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DAVEH: I appreciate your kind word
On Sun, 29 May 2005 18:44:16 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Where in scripture do I find this
requirement – that I must fulfill the Law as Christ did. Your doctrine of works is a
failure’s doctrine - offering no hope and placing one back
under bondage.
One note for both of you. The “curse of
the law” is the curse of NOT obeying the law---obey and you avoid the curses,
which are manifold—sickness included. If you are a true Believer and don’t
obey the Law you will still go to heaven—just sooner. Izzy
Jn 14: 15"If you love Me, you wi
myth (there is no
basis for this comment outside of subjectivity in terms of a
priori, radical philosophical dualism' : (e.g.) 'i,
individually, not as part of any school of thought oppose you for the sole
reason that my reading of reality is totally correct while and you can't
grasp its ab
Yes, Judy, "our" gospel presents unconditional acceptance but that does not eliminate the sad consequences of a life in separation from God and the self destructive nature of selfish pursuits. When we become gods unto ourselves, wwe attempt the impossible -- kind of like trying to walk through
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Sun, 29 May 2005 17:50:07 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit
On Sun, 29 May 2005 14:25:05 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
DAVEH: I appreciate your kind words, DavidM. And, my pain was
punctuated with a big old laughing smiley, so I really didn't think you
were trying to draw blood while you had the knife plunged to the
hilt.at least you weren't twisting it! :-)
I hadn't planned on changing the way
I've appreciated the Mormon dialogues and have found
some of these definitions really interesting. I don't know whether I have shared
this before but when we were stationed in Newfoundland I met the nicest little
local girl who was red hot for Jesus. She was a convert out of
the rcc who con
DAVEH: My reasons for posting my reply to Perry's private comments on
TT was to show that there may be reason for both of us having the views
we do without either of us needing to be shown to be lying. As I now
believe, I think Perry simply misunderstood something I posted some
time ago, and
I understand. My remarks went more to syle than substnce. I do think David is about to convert.
Jd -Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:25:16 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH
Actually, J
Terry the law still judges us whenever we break it
- because the "righteous judgment of God" says that we will
reap as we sow. It is not necessary to be a Jewish proselyte. Also there is a
difference between God's moral law and the Levitical
Law; the latter has been nailed to the cross, the
On Sun, 29 May 2005 14:25:05 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt: Christ did not become
a curse for those who keep on wilfully sinning JD. The curse is
still all over those ppl and they
are wearing
it. Sickness is the curse of the
law.
The curse of the Law
Actually, John, I did not read this as a preference of one over the
other. I am sorry that you did. I read it as an effort on the part of David
to honestly relate what he has gained from Dave's being on TT.
I, too, have gained from Dave's being on TT. He (as well as Blaine and
Raymond) has
I don't know why y'all are arguing. Neither of you has ever been under
the law, unless you were a Jewish proselyte.
Terry
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 18:04:47 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John wrote: You are a legalist, David.
David wrote: Th
DAVEH:
> Ouuch!!! What are you trying to do
> to me, DavidMstab me in the back? You are
> just feeding more fuel to fire Perry's argument
> :-D
Sorry about that Dave. I just wanted you to know that I appreciate the
quotes from Mormon Scriptures and the time you take to ex
DAVEH:
> Do you consider the magi following the Star
> of Bethlehem to be a form of astrology?
Yes, and so the story of their visit to Christ to pay homage is powerful,
because it shows that Christ is Lord over the occult of the Gentiles, even
as an infant.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Sun, 29 May 2005 05:24:16 -0400Subject: [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments
I am totally different from you JD in many areas; in fact at times I think the onl
On Sat, 28 May 2005 18:04:47 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:John wrote: You are a legalist, David.
David wrote: Thank you. Nothing wrong with being a legalist. God is a legalist too. Read the Torah and study why Jesus had to die for your sins.
John responds: There can be no argument
I am totally different from you JD in many areas; in
fact at times I think the only thing we have in common is the
name of Jesus itself but with totally different
concepts. Fancy me quoting from a Dake Bible and a Strongs
Concordance. Wow! That is major - while you
OTOH have all those years
is any one here a
'disciple of JC'
how so?
while to the
writer, below, astrology is allegedly 'evil' it makes one curious
about what the writer contrasts as 'good' mysticism(?)
is it astronomy
(that's ok for 'disciples of Christ')?
wouldn't
t/his distinction entail excusing the
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Its just that David addresses you and Perry, then not another word about Perry and nothing but thanks to you and Blaine. Whatever he is trying to do - this is a bit humorous
Your complaint of other TTers is somewhat lost in the continuing discussion with Perry and your decision to return the m
DAVEH: Hmm...I've got a bit different perspective of DavidM's
post, John. I thought he might be trying to agree with Perry (despite
publicly disagreeing with him in regard to this matter) without
offending me.
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Well, what do we learn here? That Da
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Get a load of this for mysticism:
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Well, what do we learn here? That David prefers Dave. Sorry Perry - I did have to laugh a little
at this one.
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David Miller wrote:
>> I quoted you exactly as you wrote it
John wrote:
> The very next sentence is EXACTLY
John wrote:
> ... Christ took the curse of the Law away
> ... If righteousness came by the Law,
> then Christ died in vain, David.
> ... to be justified by Law is to be fallen from grace.
> <...snip...>
Enough, Bishop. You are preaching to the choir here. I agree with points
like these. Goo
I do understand why you cite scripture. I've not
questioned your heart on the matter. (others have and, I disagree with them on
this). I suspect that there is not much 'space' between that which you believe
and that which you do.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
IFF one's beliefs concerning the 'nature of things'
informs one's life then, it is virtually impossible for those beliefs not to be
present in all that one says and does.
Whether we differ as to which end of the boiled egg
should be at the top (Gulliver's Travels) or that the earth is flat
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