Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

then, perhaps, lets juxtapose that set of emotions with King David's--anyone remember Mick Jagger in his prime? E.g. what's Sam suggesting about his anointed's 'vile' dancing--you wanna call it 'worship'? (go ahead, but don't try it in Colorado Springs--they'll flatass toss you outa the RNC!

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

anyone adjacent to this bombardment wanna expound on the emotional connection, perhaps sympathy for the devil in effect between Michal and Absalom--e.g., what were there foundational and residual attitudes toward Saul?   On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 00:32:06 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: KJV, ff.,

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

KJV, ff.,  where celebrate was rendered 'play'--if celebrate has anything to do with 'worship' then let's get real 'vile' every Sunday a.m. at 10:30a.m. sharp (only till noon, though)   King J would love 'worship' in America-eh?   And David said unto Michal, It was before the LORD, which cho

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

myth (D said : ''I will celebrate before the LORD'-2Sam6:21b; FTR, the word 'worship' does not even appear in 2 Sam except in ch15 where it is employed by Absalom in the context of anarchy from 'conspiracy' to publicly supplant the Lord's anointed on the throne (e.g., 2Sam15:8); also, how is

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

John, What say ye of those who never believed that Jesus is the Son of God, or that he died for their sins, or that they even need a savior, and who never repented? While we know that Jesus atoned for thier sins, too, they may not even know that, and if they do, may not believe it, ackno

Re: [TruthTalk] Congrates to TT B+ for the days exchange

In a message dated 7/2/2005 3:00:01 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: B+   for content and learning opportunity.    A very good day for TruthTalk      All of you are to be complimented.    JD   Blainerb:  TT is a very interesting place, where I have 

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

In a message dated 6/30/2005 9:50:49 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The "Christ" of the Mormons: "In the first place, according to justice, men could not have been redeemed from temporal death, except through the atonement of Jesus Christ; and in the second p

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry's/Kevin's Jesus vs Mormon Jesus

BlainerB, my friend, you have demonstrated your misconceptions of our beliefs about Jesus, some of which appears to be based on what others on TT may believe about Jesus, not what we believe. Lance was wise in asking you to outline our differences...it has revealed much. Perry From: [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

    "If you are simply saying that He calls us to follow while we are yet filthy sinners, I am with you.  You don't have to clean up your act for God to want you in His family, but you ain't gonna be in the family if you stay the way He found you.    I would hope you would agree."     What gets us

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

DAVEH:   You've lost me (again) on this, Lance.  Can you put it in simple talk for simple people like meplease? Lance Muir wrote: I do remember. Some time back David Miller corrected me for making a distinction where no distinction exists. He was right.The Nature of God & The G

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

In a message dated 7/2/2005 12:20:52 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think what you see of late is a decision that responses to kevin are disruptive to whatever else is going on.     He has no off button so when you start something with him  -- you have to be t

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry's/Kevin's Jesus vs Mormon Jesus (was:Apologetic for the et

In a message dated 7/2/2005 3:30:18 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Surely gentlemen you've not failed to note the dissimilarity between your Jesus'?   Were you to be given the assignment of writing but a few paragraphs outlining that difference, could you d

Re: [TruthTalk] A Discussion About Jesus

DAVEH:  My latest reply is in GREEN Bill Taylor wrote: DaveH in black. Bill in red. 1)  I believe Jesus was born of a virgin mother. I agree with this. 2)  I believe Jesus existed in a pre-mortal existence. I agree with this (I will agree even more, if you will allow m

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:       Terry,   Here is the point of this new best seller.   Of course God does not have to do anything, I suppose, but if he is going to accept anyone into His Kingdom without turning them into robots, He has no choice but to accept them as

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Actaully, it is just the other way around  --  go back to sleep,linda.   JD  -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 20:12:31 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ I thoroughly

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

JT says: Physics has nothing to do with anything   Everything ultimately has to do with everything. It all coheres. It all hints. It all echoes.     It All Works     Gravity works electrons work sound works--those three little bones the water cycle works muscles work light works on those ro

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

     Terry,   Here is the point of this new best seller.   Of course God does not have to do anything, I suppose, but if he is going to accept anyone into His Kingdom without turning them into robots, He has no choice but to accept them as they are.  It is a false gospel, IMO, that preaches oth

RE: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

And amen to that. iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sawczak Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:31 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments   I agree with you here, Judy, and what's more, I think

RE: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Sounds like a tasteless book IMO. iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:02 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ      

RE: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

I thoroughly enjoy the Biblical kind of dancing in church.  Not the head-trip theological unreal kind. iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 12:52 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.o

RE: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

And were his words, chosen by the Lord to become part of His Word, “stupid”? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin halverson Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:22 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

   On Jun, 03 Jul 2005 10:24:48 -0400 knpraise@aol.com writes:   One other thing, Judy.   Changes are not possible apart from community and our participation in same.    jt: Depends what kind of community it is.  When Abraham believed God he had to come out of his community. Moses also for

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

On Jun, 03 Jul 2005 10:24:48 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   One other thing, Judy.   Changes are not possible apart from community and our participation in same.    jt: Depends what kind of community it is.  When Abraham believed God he had to come out of his communit

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

  Judy, this "perichoresis" is not something I attach to the 4th century.   I am not a theologian  -- but I respect them and am willing to learn from them.    I am a bible thumping "liberal."   I am not sure you think such is possible.   I used share such an opinion.   I bought two books, years ag

Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

   Yes, I understand the difference between "inspiration" and "revelation" however I don't believe this was the problem with Solomon.      Neither do I .   I was just answering your question about Soloman.        The law was not lost in his generation and he had access to the direction given

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Of course you don't think it is to be avoided JD because you embrace the concepts the "perichoresis"  theologians promote. However, I don't believe they know God or that the 4th Century creed makers had an accurate view of Him either.  Knowing Him is important so far as relationship is conce

Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

The big difference Debbie is that Solomon's writings are scripture - inspired by God's Spirit and included in the Hebrew scriptures.  The so called church fathers were living and writing during a very tumultous time in history and their writings are not included. I guess God figured we had e

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

I understand, Judy.   I think you did not address my post and the "dance" as a way of _expression_ or life  --   not an actual four-step saunder across the floor.   And It is not complicated, at all  -- not to me.   If the passages listed below present this happy ontological alternative  --  surel

Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

Marlin halverson wrote: "...God gave him wisdom.  He did not use it." Terry   So did he fail to heed the conclusion of the matter?  Marlin == Not certain what you are asking, Marlin.  If you are suggesting  that he fi

Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

Yes, I understand the difference between "inspiration" and "revelation" however I don't believe this was the problem with Solomon.  The law was not lost in his generation and he had access to the direction given for kings in Deuteronomy 17:14-20.  I don't know if he had his own personal copy

Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

I agree with you here, Judy, and what's more, I think it is a pretty significant statement about the people God chooses to speak through, and shows why ad hominem arguments are without value. I guess this means we have to stop invoking the [alleged] carnality of everybody in the 4th century

Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

No, not at all.   You do not see a differecne between "inpsiration" and (a) "revealtion?"   There were, of course, some things the ancients did not undersand when it was written.   I do not think that whoever wrote Gen 15 understaood that the seed of Abraham was Jesus Christ  --  God on eath.    

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

We are starting to complicate things again JD.  I have no problem with choirs and/or dancing as an act of worship by creation in honor of Creator - didn't Jesus say that if we fail to praise that the rocks would cry out?  However, the Godhead dancing with itself or dancing with each other i

Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

JD are you saying that Solomon didn't understand what he was writing? He apparently understood when he asked God for wisdom rather than riches and God was pleased with his choice. To me it seems he was tripped by the same lust that got hold of his father; David repented but Solomon didn't kno

Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

So what, may I ask?  !!   There is a big difference between "inspiration" and "revelation."     JD  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 14:56:05 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Well,  I think that if you can have your "symphony,"  others can have their "dance"  (of life).  Your choice of  words has no more authority others.   DM imagines "great dance" to be "unbiblical" rather than "non-biblical."  I see no such distinction here.   And let us not forget that all English

[TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>David Miller wrote:I think the problem here, Bill, is that you are changingthe context of Judy's statements when you critique themas evidence of hypocrisy.  Judy is trying to bring backthat context in her paragraph above.   jt: This is right on DavidM

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

I read your comments, David. The situation is behind us for the most part. So I'll abstain from stirring the kettle with a response. Bill - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eter

Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

Yes, the choices he made for his own life were stupid.  He lost the kingdom and his children suffered for them, but his writings were inspired by the same Spirit who inspired the rest of scripture.  judyt   On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:51:32 -0400 "Marlin halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: PM

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

No JD, I know you are not referring to dancing in Church or the kind of worshipful dance David was doing when Saul's daughter judged him in her heart.  Those kinds of dances have precedent in truth The kind you, Lance, and Bill promote are nowhere to be seen in the Word of God and is some fig

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

David Miller wrote: >> I think the problem here, Bill, is that you are changing >> the context of Judy's statements when you critique them >> as evidence of hypocrisy. Judy is trying to bring back >> that context in her paragraph above. Bill Taylor wrote: > Not so, David. Her statements above are

Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

He was not under grace and knew very little of it.   His God was not personal  --  "fatherhood" was not the emphasis.  Adoptive-sonship (we all do believe in that, don't we??) was unknown to him.   His judgements  --   the judgments of God were physical ones.    Adam and Eve were driven from the G

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

I'll get back to you on this.   Second printing --  Revised Standard Version.    Jd  -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 12:43:08 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ I canno

Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

"...God gave him wisdom.  He did not use it." Terry   So did he fail to heed the conclusion of the matter?  Marlin - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

I cannot either argue or agree with you, John, because you have painted a picture and left it unfinished.  It seems to me that God always has a choice.  I do not see Him providing protection to Pharoah, or to those in Sodom, or those outside the ark, or to Annanias and Sapphira.  He even allowe

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

    If I were to mount an ad campaign -  several of us here on TT could be considered the "poster child" for the truth expressed below. I could print a book with the title being   A Choiceless God In a Tasteless World,   and print several of our pictures onto the cover.  The back cover would h

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

perichoresis?    etymology please.  -Original Message-From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:58:52 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ Where do you find the dancing?  jt   The "dance" is in

Re: [TruthTalk] A Discussion About Jesus

DaveH in black. Bill in red. 1)  I believe Jesus was born of a virgin mother. I agree with this.2)  I believe Jesus existed in a pre-mortal existence. I agree with this (I will agree even more, if you will allow me to nuance his pre-mortal existence with the word "eternal" -- he being the

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

AND ONE MORE THING!!!   Every relationship has an emotion attached to it, does it not!!??   That beng true  --  the relationship that is defined by Kingdom Theology  -- that relationship with Jesus is the keyway to the kind of emotional knowing tht is, in the end  (and here I want to say "valid" .

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Yes. The church is too big for me  -- but "me" is not the point!!   The guy made The Message a sense of economy (to use the current language of the day) that works there in the Springs.   The very same approach probably would not work elsewhere.   Those who plant  know full well the disappointment

Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

Marlin halverson wrote: PMFBI  Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.  ECC 12:13    Was Solomon stupid?    --Marlin ===

Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection

David Miller wrote: Terry wrote: When God gave Moses the law, He knew that it could not be kept. It was an impossible goal. Something to strive for, but never attainable. I see the command to be perfect in the same light. We strive to be perfect. Some come closer than others, but

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

  One other thing, Judy.   Changes are not possible apart from community and our participation in same.  Whether this community is you and the Spirit or you and the church or you and a couple of people from the church or you and a couple damned sinner-friends  (I have have several).   God works al

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

the Larry Norman lyrics, below, rooted in 2 Sam6:6, are like they sound, elevating, throne-oriented street music   but you sound like you post lookouts at your windows      On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 07:06:18 -0400 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: David danced as an act of worship and so di

Re: [TruthTalk] What IMO the Spirit of God will not do on TT

Lance Muir wrote: Let us suppose that David Miller and Judy Taylor have both understood and articulated an incorrect understanding of the Nature of God therefore, by extension, the Gospel. Let us suppose that Bill Taylor has apprehended and articulated this more accurately.Or, let u

Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection

None of the above (or, below in this case). DM has rightly stated along with sister Judy that we don't wish to reflect the kind of thinking those folks in the early chuch exhibited when they dared to arrive at conclusions concerning the Jesus thingy which subsequently became codified in credal stat

Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

Early on or at the end  -Original Message-From: Marlin halverson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:51:32 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments PMFBI  Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his c

Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection

be not dismayed,  Terry.  I actually think your little paragraph is profoundly stated.   At least it was a help to me.   Jd  -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:46:59 -0400Subject: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Always a great question  !!!     -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 05:36:23 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ Yes there are people that are hurting and confused   W

RE: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection

Note to Terry: These words could have been spoken to Eve in the garden. (Hear the hiss? "Relax.") -Original Message- DM falls prey to drama when employing terminology such as 'shocked' and 'wrong'. Relax Terry, he's just offering 'his' take on the matter. Maybe yes. Maybe no. With the

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

  My wife and I cried and truly felt the Lord's pat on the back with this decision we have made.   At 60, it will be our last big deal in the Lord.   If we are granted another 10 years or 15  this is where we will be be (spoken by one with limited foresight).  And we will be asking this very quest

RE: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

The only disease among Believers is sin, and acceptance of such as the “normal Christian life.”  The cure is the Word and the Holy Spirit.  iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 7:19 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglor

RE: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection

Lance, could it be that you can't relate to those "dramatic" words because you have no deep sense of right and wrong? Or that you are not grieved within by a brother in faith when he misses the mark? Is the only real drama in your life via the movies? iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PRO

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

Any extended discussion of 'The Law' would simply offer one more illustration of 'factionitis' (a common disease among christians). - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: July 03, 2005 09:10 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Jesus of t

RE: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Does she attend Ted Haggard’s New Life Church? Ted married my younger son and his wife when my son graduated from the AF Academy.  A wonderful man! Even though he pastors a “mega” church, he took the time to mentor a handful of cadets one night/week at the Academy.  iz  

RE: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

(Not) I agree with JD’s wife. iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 6:34 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ   Okay, John. It's pretty

Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection

DM falls prey to drama when employing terminology such as 'shocked' and 'wrong'. Relax Terry, he's just offering 'his' take on the matter. Maybe yes. Maybe no. With the latitude David's expressed in the last while, I have every confidence that such an expression of theological exactitude is his ver

RE: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

Terry, you do realize that believers in the OT wanted to sin against God, but had the Law to hold them back from it, so to speak? And you do realize that Believers post-NT have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who causes us to desire to obey the Lord out of our innermost being? So let this

RE: [TruthTalk] FWD: Last Weekend

    LOL! Priceless! What a wonderful and inspiring report Brother Deegan, Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan transtesticles

Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

PMFBI  Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.  ECC 12:13    Was Solomon stupid?    --Marlin   - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Su

[TruthTalk] Christian Perfection

Terry wrote: > When God gave Moses the law, He knew that > it could not be kept. It was an impossible goal. > Something to strive for, but never attainable. > I see the command to be perfect in the same light. > We strive to be perfect. Some come closer than > others, but we all come short. It i

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Yes there are people that are hurting and confused   What are you doing about it?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be sure to include yourself in this "people who think they know something."   By definition, tht would pretty much catch us all.    You wonder if it would be easier   ---  kevinand undies t

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

It is easier to do what you do JD   What was that example you gave of your evangelism efforts?                         [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be sure to include yourself in this "people who think they know something."   By definition, tht would pretty much catch us all.    You wonder if it wou

Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

SO you keep them Dave? All of them? If your boss gave you 10 instructions to follow every day at work, would you expect employee of the month for keeping just 8?Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH:   Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door so you can see all the skele

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Judy  -- do you think we speak of dancing church when we speak of the Great Dance?    JD  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 07:06:18 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the et

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

When trying to identify a phony bill we DO NOT try to see how many similarities it has with a real one. We will search for any dissimilarities and even the EXISTANCE of just ONE will disqualify the phony.   I have no problem with your participation on TT, as long as their is full disclosure. LDS us

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Be sure to include yourself in this "people who think they know something."   By definition, tht would pretty much catch us all.    You wonder if it would be easier   ---  kevinand undies tingy  ??"   Of course itis easier.   Here's the choice that 99.9% of the evangelistic community has to make e

[TruthTalk] What IMO the Spirit of God will not do on TT

Let us suppose that David Miller and Judy Taylor have both understood and articulated an incorrect understanding of the Nature of God therefore, by extension, the Gospel. Let us suppose that Bill Taylor has apprehended and articulated this more accurately.Or, let us suppose the exact opposite

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

David danced as an act of worship and so did Miriam; I hardly see this "perichosis" in the same light What are the Godhead worshipping one another?    Do you dance in church 'G?"     On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 21:41:42 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:02:28 -0400 Judy Taylor

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

I didn't know all that JD - but thanks for letting me in on it  :) Admittedly I don't have a whole lot of patience with the seemingly endless parade of theologians and all of their high thoughts and ideas - I can identify with Luther in his frustration with the Universities of his time and th

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

Thanks Terry, you are an encouragement - I know opinions are common - there are so many out there. Floating stones?  That's a new one.  I've heard of floating axe heads - but stones?  It's not easy or fun to deal with ppl who think they know something.  At times I wonder if it wouldn't be ea

Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ

I do remember. Some time back David Miller corrected me for making a distinction where no distinction exists. He was right.The Nature of God & The Gospel of God are one. To apprehend the former is to apprehend the latter.   It was my hope that we might obtain from you, along with any of you

Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments

Dave wrote: DAVEH:   Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door so you can see all the skeletons I keep in there?   :-)     However, I am curious as to your explanation.  Do you really believe the Lord does not expect you to keep the commandments?  ===