I don't know, I think I may need help. (Bill?
Anyone?)
Debbie
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ditto,
T
On Fri, 08 Jul 2005
Maybe.
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then perhaps it
affects faith--no?
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:55:49 -0400 "De
then perhaps it
affects faith--no?
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:55:49 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
No, I don't think I said it effects faith. I mean
that it doesn't make faith unnecessary.
Debbie
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No, I don't think I said it effects faith. I mean
that it doesn't make faith unnecessary.
Debbie
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you're saying that
(e.g) transubstantiation effects faith--what controls
faith?
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:05:35 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I see how it can be regarded as an aid to reason,
although (as with some other Catholic doctrines, such as the immaculate
co
ditto,
T
On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 19:00:44 -0500 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
Debbie Sawczak wrote:
. We are the weak link in the chain. To the
extent we are able to live out our reconciliation to God at all, it is
because of Christ in us. But it is no
I see how it can be regarded as an aid to reason,
although (as with some other Catholic doctrines, such as the immaculate
conception) it really just pushes the exercise of faith "further back"; it is
still only by faith that transubstantiation can be accepted. But I agree that
this literal s
Debbie Sawczak wrote:
. We are the weak link in the chain. To
the extent we are able to live out our reconciliation to God at all, it
is because of Christ in us. But it is not Christ without us who lives.
=
This
transubstantiation
involves mentally materialization as an aid to reason--the nature of
symbolism
Jn 6 involves
faith--no transubstantiation required--there, believing transcends seeing
even while present to behold
many who actually
saw what JC did there, that day, in person, did not be
I should add, David: even I know that a rendition of the Beethoven sonata which is a
long way from perfect may be recognizable, and enjoyed. This is what I meant by
perhaps not needing to continue the argument, if Christine was saying what
I thought she was.
The Analogy Queen (?)
-
Actually, that was a flippant response. I do know.
Yes, there are Catholics who think this way. But how vocal they are about it, or
whether there are priests who teach it, I am not sure. I do know that there is a
lot more room for diversity of interpretation in the Catholic church than
in ma
I don't know. But if I ever convert to Catholicism,
I will so think.
Debbie
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are there
are there
Catholics who think this way--transubstantiation's not an
absolute?
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:39:30 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
..whether or not you believe in
transubstantiation as some conceive of it, the point this kind of
language tries to make is th
> Also, if you believe that we can sometimes
love, why would you not believe > that we can always
love?
OK, just taking this sometimes -->
always thing on its own: I see what you mean about people
saying "theoretically". Because of course, at any given moment we could
love. Sure. It is ridi
You and I fully agree, apparently. That is why I make a big deal out of loving the Master -- relational Kingdom theology as they say. While you emphasize the actions of others. If we are agreed -- why the difference?
Jd -Original Message-From: Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED
Well spoken coming from a man who talks but will not communicate -- who hits and runs but will not stay long enough to answers questions and deal with responses.
JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:22:57 -0
wafer go -- baptist god what's the diff -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:21:49 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All believers are ONE IN CHRIST
Bow to the WAFER god![EMAIL PROTECTED]
We are still waiting !!
5 questions -- f i v e .
JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:17:07 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
Right, but with you I am afraid it is a P
Not relly. Getting a meaningful series of answers out of you and Judy, on the other, appears to be that which is meant when they speak of "that which can never be done."
But don't let me interrupt. Argue on and on and on and on and on.
JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <
Amazing.
Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:29:15 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Works and the Book of James
NO[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Want to take a shot at answering the questions, deegan?
No.
--- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I could just let it go Christine but, I'd be doing a
> disservice to you and
> to the
> whole Miller family. I 'read' something other than
> the 'assurance' of 1Th
> 1:5 when I read both you and your Dad. IMO, some of
> what I 'hear' comes from
> th
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is funny stuff -- of which memories are made!!! You
have to read Lance's post out loud in order to get the smile out of
it.
Jd
===
Smile?? When Lance tal
I could just let it go Christine but, I'd be doing a disservice to you and
to the
whole Miller family. I 'read' something other than the 'assurance' of 1Th
1:5 when I read both you and your Dad. IMO, some of what I 'hear' comes from
the Lord and some from your redeemed/fallen nature. There's much o
You mean you actually believe the Book?Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
1Th 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in wordonly, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and inmuch ASSURANCE; as ye know what manner of men we wereamong you for your sake. --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wr
Doncha just luv it when people communicate with such CERTAINTY?
well obviously we have a "MORE SURE WORD" than you do!That thy trust may be in the LORD, I have made known to thee this day, even to thee. Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge, That I might make thee
No -- we have graduated to nothing at all. You are beating around the bush my friend. You don't want to answer the questions. Here they are, again:
(1) what are the works of justification in the book of James?
(2) At what point are we saved -- at the point of faith or at the point o
1Th 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word
only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in
much ASSURANCE; as ye know what manner of men we were
among you for your sake.
--- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Doncha just luv it when people communicate with such
> CERTAINTY? D
Doncha just luv it when people communicate with
such CERTAINTY? Damn! Reminds me of...wellME! (I refer to Christine &
Kevin)
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From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 08, 2005 14:50
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Works and t
I am not interested in answering jD at this time.Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
JD your questions are valid, but not difficult to answer. I believe Judy and Kevin thought their responses were sufficient to answer your questions. Really, I have a lot of trouble understanding why you do
Many believers seek to harmonize the unharmonizeable.
STAY on SUBJECT, your singing prowess has no bearing on the subject at hand!Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Many believers seek to harmonize the unharmonizeable.
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From: Christine Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail
Be ye DOERS and NOT HEARERS only deceiving your own selves
Same goes for TALKERS only
Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Lance, of course James does NOT disagree with Paul. The difference is, Paul teaches that Abraham's faith is counted for righteousness, while James actually tells us wha
In your mind have you demonstarted the impossibility?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is a smoke screen (I refer to your denial of same, below). I will give some credit to DM. More often than not, he will at least make an effort.
The reason why you will not answer is simple -- after you hav
And a wide CHASM between doing and just saying![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are a child in Christ when it comes to this sort of thing. You itch at the opportunity to put your numbers up against mine or Lance. It is a continuing theme of yours. "How many" "How much" " I do thu
Bow to the WAFER god![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are not alone, my friend!! Thee is a lot of tradition is a RCC service of worship -- but "anti-Christ" !!?? Let's get real. And if one cannot worship in the Spirit in an RCC service -- well, that person has problems!!!
Jd -Origina
Right, but with you I am afraid it is a PROFESSION not a POSSESION!
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Talk is cheap, God's not interested in LIP
TT is not a Church
There is much more of a PROFANE Nature inside the RCCLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Please take note of that which follows. I believe this with all of my heart. (Yes, I understand that doesn't make it true!) IFF we define anti-christ as any teaching which distorts the
What else do you RECEIVE during the MASS?
You experience a spiritual presence
ANDDebbie Sawczak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Count me in. Though not referring to this corporate aspect of the Spirit's presence in my conversation with Kevin, I do believe in it, and have experienced it, including
NO[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Want to take a shot at answering the questions, deegan? -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:04:40 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Works and the Book of James
2:20 But wilt th
YES?
You eat Jesus?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes! You ask: "Lance, just how great is this God of yours?" Fair question, say I. Big enough to bless you & David when SPing, Judy at BSF, and Linda at a block party. Mass is no biggie compared to these.
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From
You can not discern the HOLY from the PROFANE!Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Aside from your caricature of 'spiritual harlotry', I'd say yes! I do believe that the box you place God in, along with DM, LS & Kevin gets smaller by the hour.
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From: Judy Taylor
To
So... Jesus and Paul are not contradicting each other?
Jesus said: "He that hears and does not what I say will be washed away in a storm."
Paul "said": "Your faith, not works, is counted for righteousness."
If we considered what James wrote (by inspiration of the Holy Spirit) would this cla
Why not? If you have the light and I am in
darkness then shine your light on my darkness? Just
criticizing
from the corner is not kind, nor is it
loving. I'd also like to know who the "all" consists of.
Is it the TFT/
Polyani, Newbigin crowd? jt
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 11:14:07 -0400 "La
JD your questions are valid, but not difficult to answer. I believe Judy and Kevin thought their responses were sufficient to answer your questions. Really, I have a lot of trouble understanding why you don't interpret James the same way, and I have a feeling that is why you feel like they are evad
But Judy, NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE IN A
LEGIBLE WAY HOW AND WHEN YOU EMPLOY SCRIPTURE IN AN ABERRANT WAY! Now, they
could, of course, all be wrong all the time (this is what you believe, I think).
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Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.inn
Many believers seek to harmonize the
unharmonizeable.
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Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 08, 2005 10:56
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Works and the
Book of James
Lance, of course James does NOT disagree with P
It is most assuredly not sarcasm, Christine (I'm
not above employing it but, not this time). I'd guess that the content of your
life lived before God is, in no ascertainable, quantifiable way different from
John Smithson's. (Same to your Dad)
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From:
Christ
Lance, of course James does NOT disagree with Paul. The difference is, Paul teaches that Abraham's faith is counted for righteousness, while James actually tells us what faith is. Works without faith will lead you to hell (that's Paul) and James says that true faith will produce works. People were
Lance I would prefer that you demonstrate in a legible
way how and when I employ scripture in an aberrant
fashion and skip the the patronizing
observations. You have never once been willing to prove what you
say
by God's Word but you constantly make these unproven
allegations. jt
On Fri,
Lance, I don't know what RC masses you've been to, but I have never felt the pressence of God in the two masses I've ever attended. Unless you're talking about the charismatic catholic churches I hear they have in Africa. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Whereas I, now apparently speaking on
So now we are no longer discussing conflict between the
writings of James and Paul in the New Testament.
We have graduated to discussing smoke screens? Am
I correct? Exactly what have I committed myself to in
black and white JD? I have no problem with James
and Paul - Not only that I love
Lance wrote:
He, along with many others of us, simply take note of self-serving (non-loving) human _expression_ arising within us throughout each day
Is this sarcasim? If you see JD walking in the kind of love of which I speak, (which he may do, I'm new to this board) why do you all chafe so much
Let me say once again, even at the risk of
upsetting friends of mine for so saying, Judy. I BELIEVE THAT YOU TRUST HIM AND,
THAT YOU EXPERIENCE THIS REST AND PEACE!
However, the 'mangling' that goes on when you
employ Scripture in an aberrant fashion continues to astound.
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This is a smoke screen (I refer to your denial of same, below). I will give some credit to DM. More often than not, he will at least make an effort.
The reason why you will not answer is simple -- after you have committed yourself to something in black and white, the next round of questio
No no JD.
Christine wrote:
I am not saying you are self-absorbed, JD
I tried to make it clear I was NOT saying you are self-absorbed. Did you read my earlier posts to Lance about self-absorbed Christianity? Where we focus on ourselves when we're trying to follow Christ? Naturally, that practic
I can not give you the answer you want JD. The
reason I mention the CofC is because I don't believe you are
free of some emotional entanglement and you reject
truth because of your experiences with that group in the past.
I have no smoke screen defense. I say again that no
prophecy of script
Actually, I prefer having my questions thoughtfully and prayerfully answered. But thanks for asking.
Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:18:16 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Works and the New Testament
Got answers?
Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:05:53 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Works and the Book of James
I'm waiting
ooo
how thrilling
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You really do not h
You are a child in Christ when it comes to this sort of thing. You itch at the opportunity to put your numbers up against mine or Lance. It is a continuing theme of yours. "How many" "How much" " I do thus and so." Pardon me for the criticism but you might expect such in view
no no no my fair maiden. my questions first.
JD -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 07:51:55 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Works and the New Testament
You are so obsessed by your
You are not alone, my friend!! Thee is a lot of tradition is a RCC service of worship -- but "anti-Christ" !!?? Let's get real. And if one cannot worship in the Spirit in an RCC service -- well, that person has problems!!!
Jd -Original Message-From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED
You should be ashamed of such unbelief Lance; I've
never said God "inspires" my reading. What I have said is
that the Holy Spirit or the Spirit of Promise gives me
understanding as Jesus (our one mediator) said he would.
What's more I don't have to explain away or cut out any
scriptures, (no
Are you going to not answer my questions?? !! If it were the other way around -- what would I be reading, time after time after time after time if not a continual "I'm waiting, John !!" You don't answer the question because you can't - that is clear. You rant about the Church of Christ as
IFF the litmus test is 'how many times have you
quoted Scripture' in support of a point on TT then, I'm absolutely out! IFF the
litmust test is 'how many times have you quoted Scripture, having apprehended
it's meaning correctly' then I just might squeeze in under the bar. Others,
whilst fal
No, Judy. YOUR problem is this 'God inspires MY
reading of Scripture thing'. However, you are in good company as Kevin, Linda
and, David have the same 'problem'.
As an aside: it just might be that James does
disagree with Paul.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
T
What for JD? Paul does not contradict James and
James is not contradicting Paul. The contradiction is in your
wide sweeping comprehension of this "incarnational"
thing which is a doctrine of men rather than the Word
of God. Just because the CofC misused God's Word
does not mean we should
You've got to be able to recognize His Words Lance
before you can know if you are reading what He said.
You apparently are unable to do this which is plainly
evident by what you accept.
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:50:55 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Wow! Do we agree on this poi
I'm still waiting !!
Jd -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:15:21 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Works and the Book of James
If all one is holding to is dead doctrine from some th
It may have gotten caught in one of my delete frenzies. :>)
Blainer
In a message dated 7/6/2005 10:01:08 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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Blaine,
I responded to this post...did you miss it?Perry>From:
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You got one passed me !1 I have no idea what you are asking. Go back to work, kevin.
Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:13:47 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible
Why do you not take
Verse two is what I am saved from, kevin. Why would I want to neglect such a salvation? my accounting is Jesus Christ !! But I honestly do not think you understand that. Wish I could say "oh, well, but it's not important" but I can't.
Jd -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[E
Ah! Threw in that old personal paraphrase thingy, did ya. I was kind of hopin' that you had some passage that read "To the degree that you keep my commandments (all 600 of them), to that degree it can be said that you love me," or some such silliness. Or did I minunderstand my own question?
Wow! Do we agree on this point? Why yes, we most
assuredly do. Jesus, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, The resurrected, glorified
God/Man is indeed the litmus test. He is the One to whom I look when reading
you, Kevin and David. Sometimes y'all come up short.
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F
Want to take a shot at answering the questions, deegan? -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:04:40 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Works and the Book of James
2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that fai
Christine: How did you arrive at the conclusion that one proves his/her love of the brothren by commandment keeping? And exactly what are all these commandments? Do you think that verse 5 establishes any kind of a context for verse 6?
JD
-Original Message-From: Lance Muir <
Can't do it Lance. Jesus told men not to be
called rabbi, rabbi (teacher) by men. "He said don't be called
rabbi
for one is your teacher, the Christ and you are all
brethren." (Matt 23:8); so He is the litmus test so far as Words
of Life are concerned and everything that conflicts
with H
Apart from God's Word, Judy, I perceive your
favourite theologians to be (in order of importance) David Miller (many Amens),
Linda Shields (frequent Amens) and Kevin (occasional Amens). The rest are the
recipients of your 'divine' pronouncements ala a most innovative 'reading' of
selected sc
Jt asks of those who hold to 'dead doctrine from
some theologian-did they have salvation to begin with?" Have you structured this
in such as way that the only possible answer is NO?
Rephrase to include 'living" doctrine from some
theologian-then one answers YES!
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Well what do you know Lance, do you check your facts
first or talk first and check later? jt
MSNBC reports..
Osama bin Laden named Canada one of five so-called
Christian nations that should be targeted for acts of terror. The others,
reaffirmed last year by his al-Qaida network, were
Some would prefer to TALK the WalkJudy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You are so obsessed by your fear/hatred of God's law JD. In the verse I quoted below James is talking about actions
that are evidence that faith is there. Dead faith has a lot of talk with no walk. What will you do about
During MASS?
When they take the RCC Jesus out of the box they hold him in?
Do you eat Jesus?
If you say NO, a few hundred years ago that would be grounds for THE literal FIRE & StakeLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Whereas I, now apparently speaking only for myself, was
If all one is holding to is dead doctrine from some
theologian - did they have salvation to begin with? One
cannot
lose what they never had to begin with. Jesus'
Words are life giving - they will quicken your mortal body.
jt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You really do not
Why do you not take advantage?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I really tire of proof-texting and knee-jerk biblical interpretation. Heb 2: 2-3 presents two considrations: 1) a just accounting for every transgression and disobedience (v 2) and a salvation that avoids such an accounting! How shall
http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusgen/ap07-04-091713.asp?t=APNEW
''There is a direct threat to Canada and Canadian interests from al-Qaida and related groups,'' Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Once upon a time in a land far, far awaythereafter children, the hearts of all inhabitants
How shall we escape if we NEGLECT so great a salvation? Heb 2:3
Heb 2:2 the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
HOW SHALL WE ESCAPE?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I really tire of proof-texting and knee-jerk biblical
I have no idea what "some" have called
anything Lance so NO; this is akin to what Jesus
says in His Word. Blessings and curses
are New Covenant reality in spite of what your
favorite theologians teach.
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is this akin to what some call 'kingdom t
Yikes! -Original Message-From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:51:03 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All believers are ONE IN CHRIST
Is this akin to what some call 'kingdom theology' where rewards/punishments are handed out relat
I'm waiting
ooo
how thrilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You really do not have the foggiest as to what James is talking about in his letter, do you? Prove me wrong !! Tell me, what are the works of justification in the book of James? At what point are we saved -- at the point of fa
It's a combination of two verses JD; my
paraphrase. I can spell both of them out
if you don't have a strongs. Either way they are
saying the same thing.
On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 02:19:17 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The verse you quote does not say what you claim!! Why?
JD
2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Just like one can have DEAD WORKS, one can have DEAD FAITH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ALL Tradition is NOT BAD
according to the BIBLE, which is the right track
Get on any other track you want I'll stay on the Glory Line![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The traditions of IITh 2 are not the same traditions of which we speak. Let's stay on track, shall we?
Jd -Original Message-
How much do you give?
What are you going to do about those in africa?
I am interested as you get on your bully pulpit speaking about the heart wrenching condition of christians in Africa, of which condition you do NOTHING. Seems hypocritical to me.
That is what someone does who is looking to fleece
You are so obsessed by your fear/hatred of God's law
JD. In the verse I quoted below James is talking about actions
that are evidence that faith is there. Dead faith
has a lot of talk with no walk. What will you do about the "law of
Christ"
or God's Word as follows JD?
Sin is the tran
ThanksDebbie Sawczak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Sorry, I thought it was pretty clear that I was talking about the Spirit being present in individual Catholic believers as he is in all believers. Concrete example: your mother-in-law, Christine's roommate, my husband and his father and sister, and
You forgot
OR
If you continue in something other than the word, Whose disciple are you?Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
NO - not at all, Jesus said (John 8:31)
"IF you continue in my Word, then are you my disciples and you shall know the truth and the truth will make you free"
The implic
As the word says it is a DEAD FAITH that has NO Works!
The only grace needed by a DEAD FAITH is the GRACE that applies ressurection power, it must be made alive. Born Again!Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
James wrote it (James 2:14-20) - I'm agreeing with the Word of God
and yes I don't
This interloper 'sees' JD as doing this very
thing. He, along with many others of us, simply take note of self-serving
(non-loving) human _expression_ arising within us throughout each day (whereas, it
would seem, the Miller family does not) This one reminds me of the 'Conehead'
sketch on SN
IFF TT were the only 'case study' one had then, NO!
I say again NO! Talk about a bald face lie.
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All beli
Conditional qualifiers relative to 1. coming to
'salvation' 2. remaining therein 3. rewards thereafter
Persons perceptions on this would probably vary
considerably.
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Is this akin to what some call 'kingdom theology'
where rewards/punishments are handed out relative to 'performance'?
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Sent: July 08, 2005 00:41
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Once upon a time in a land far, far
awaythereafter children, the hearts of all inhabitants of the planet were
inclined toward evil doing.even those who experienced 'heart redemption'
were capable wrongdoing daily...Let's see...hmm...that'd make for how many
'terrorist' groups? Y
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