Re: [TruthTalk] Soldiers rebuke haunting New Orleans spirits

2005-09-29 Thread knpraise
I'm serious, too. Let's see you do what you nag others into doing -give us something of a history of what you do in the name of the Lord and I will give you dozens of blacks who have done more. Your question is steeped in prejudice and if you do not know this to be true, it is only because of

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Lance Muir
Well said once again, Terry. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: September 28, 2005 15:49 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality Ahem! Boy, I hate to say this, but wrong again.

Re: [TruthTalk] Soldiers rebuke haunting New Orleans spirits

2005-09-29 Thread knpraise
By the way, Linda, Your "former neighbors," the "ones next door" and those across the street - all lesbian, apparently, do you call them "faggot" to their face or or just in bible study groups and christian e-mail forums? JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Soldiers rebuke haunting New Orleans spirits

2005-09-29 Thread Lance Muir
We're ALL sufficiently complex so as to encompass godliness and ungodliness. Racism, ethnocentricism, love, hatred, small-mindedness, grace toward the oppressed and onARE part of our daily lives.That which we see of one another, in part, on this forum is writ large in our lives. She/he

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Judith H Taylor
YES, We are to pursue righteousness and sin not. What is so complicated about that? Girly men don't make it - JD On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:00:16 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So youhave to be sin free? Oh, by the way - do you consider yourself to be effeminate? JdFrom: Kevin

[TruthTalk] San Francisco next??

2005-09-29 Thread Judith H Taylor
San Francisco may be just a little closer to that big earthquake which they've been expecting. http://www.insidebayarea.com/localnews/ci_3063044 Article Last Updated: 9/26/2005 02:53 AM Leather-clad revelers hot, sweaty in S.F. Good-natured spanking, flogging at festival benefits gay, lesbian

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Judith H Taylor
Then what is his problem JD? Unbelief? Is he going to replicate AE's folly in the garden? Amazing how mankind can't learn ... Hath God said? Hath God said? Hath God said? Oh He really doesn't mean that. He loves you so much. On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:17:15 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

[TruthTalk] liberals and babies

2005-09-29 Thread Judith H Taylor
When liberals abandon knowledge of God, their discernment and wisdom disappear. http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/27/ncoo27.x ml Hospital bans 'cooing' over baby By Paul Stokes (Filed: 27/09/2005) A hospital has banned visitors from cooing over newborn babies to

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Judith H Taylor
Impossible!! No more likely than a "christian prostitute" a "christian murderer" or a "christian bank robber" You need to delete the adjective and do some serious Bible Study asking God to reveal His Word rather than add your own ideas to change what you don't like. I have met homosexuals

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread knpraise
Thee are none righteous, nonot one. -Original Message-From: Judith H Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:35:24 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality YES, We are to pursue righteousness and sin

Re: [TruthTalk] the gay thingy

2005-09-29 Thread knpraise
Just for the record, here is my repsonse to the article I posted a couple of days ago. JD It is interesting to me that you see nothing but "love with sexual overtones" in all of your biblical examples. You confuse God's bestowed blessings (i.e. the Centurion) with God's approval of

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
The BTK Serial Murderer is a "christian" NO REALLY, he says so! http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/ap/08052/1605_BTK_faces_punnishment.htmlRader, a former president of his church, blamed the killings on a "demon" that got inside him at a young age. "If he showed any kind of remorse, you could feel

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Judith H Taylor
JD, a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. You will never talk a practising homosexual who likes what he is doing out of it. This man has a spiritual problem and can not free himself frombondage to this unclean spirit until like the prodigal son -he sees the pigpen for

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
How about starting a Bible Study with the BTK killer? Now that would be something to DO!Sometimes it is easy to judge the eternal destiny. Of course that can always be changed while one lives breathes after that NO WAY. Sadly some deceive their own selves! Let no man deceive himself. MANY will

Re: [TruthTalk] Soldiers rebuke haunting New Orleans spirits

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
We can not cause DIVISION between the saved the LOST. There is already a great gulf there. The problem is the LOSTwant to be accepted with the saved. IS 30 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy NOT unto us RIGHT things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits I

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread knpraise
Are you saying thatBTK cannot be saved? -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 04:36:00 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality How about starting a Bible Study with

Re: [TruthTalk] Soldiers rebuke haunting New Orleans spirits

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
Just Bible JD The Bible runs against your grain. I think this BIBLEverse sums up the two sides on TT for the past few years: Prov 28 They that FORSAKE the law (that is you ) praise the Wicked but such as keep the law CONTEND with them[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here, Terry, is a perfect example

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Lance Muir
I'm pleased to hear this of 'your' church even if such as yourself, Iz and, Kevin employ only invectives when speaking of THEM. From: Judith H Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: September 28, 2005 20:29 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Lance Muir
The woman who critiques movies employs an _expression_ spoken by 'Arnold' in one of his movies and, as governor. Hmmm I guess pop culture influences the so-called 'christian' sub-culture more than one might have thought. Did Judith H. Taylor conclude her short departure with 'I'll be back'?

Re: [TruthTalk] Soldiers rebuke haunting New Orleans spirits

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
Great new series fwiw: 'Over There' (Steven Bochko). Some try to balance having one foot in the church one in the world Lance hasBOTH firmly planted.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're ALL sufficiently complex so as to encompass godliness and ungodliness. Racism, ethnocentricism, love,

Re: [TruthTalk] Soldiers rebuke haunting New Orleans spirits

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
The more Hypocritical stance would be to tell them they are OK like you DO. Speak to them SMTH things not TRUE things[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, Linda, Your "former neighbors," the "ones next door" and those across the street - all lesbian, apparently, do you call them "faggot" to

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
Iwas wondering how long before a few Girlie types would be offended.Where's JD? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The woman who critiques movies employs an _expression_ spoken by 'Arnold' in one of his movies and, as governor. Hmmm I guess pop culture influences the so-called 'christian'

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
Your right I am under conviction. can you help me think of some things to say to PRAISE "THEM"? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pleased to hear this of 'your' church even if such as yourself, Iz and, Kevin employ only invectives when speaking of THEM. From: Judith H Taylor To:

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Judith H Taylor
Why arn't you talking about the "gay issue?" We are supposed to minister the way Jesus did as He is our example and He always hit sin head on ie He confronted the rich young ruler with his heart of covetousness which he was not yetwilling to part with. Jesus didn't chase after him and keep

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Judith H Taylor
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:48:45 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Be sure and avoid dealing with the following: Why does Paul restate the claim that "there is none who are righteous, no not one/" jt: Because unlike some on TT to Paul the fall was 'present day truth' to be

Re: [TruthTalk] Soldiers rebuke haunting New Orleans spirits

2005-09-29 Thread Lance Muir
Which planet do you live on? Where do you shop? Do you watch the news (even the slanted version by Fox)? Have you ever seen a film? etc. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: September 29, 2005 08:01 Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Lance Muir
The second Adam, the Incarnate God, the Israelite-Jesus, lived, died, rose and ascended to the right hand of His Father to include you. How's that for a starter? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: September 29, 2005 08:06

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Lance Muir
He did indeed 'hit sin on the head', Judy. Mostly however, he hit it on the head with those in the 'churches' of His day. That ring any bells with any of you out there? (Judy, Kevin, Iz) At whom/with whom do we see His anger most expressed? At whom/with whom do we see the opposite? Why

Re: [TruthTalk] Soldiers rebuke haunting New Orleans spirits

2005-09-29 Thread Terry Clifton
This is an assumption on your part,John. Anyone can make an observation without pre judging, and her observation appears to have some basis. Simply because it concerns a particular race does not make it a matter of prejudice. Izzy did not say that all black folks are as inept as the New

Re: [TruthTalk] Soldiers rebuke haunting New Orleans spirits

2005-09-29 Thread Judith H Taylor
Oh TT, I'm sure Izzy would want to evacuate with the murderers and rapists, is this what you want her to say? There has already been a rape at the Monroe LA Civic Center, justas their sheriff feared and yesterday one evacuee stole anothers sneakers before resistingarrest and fighting police

RE: [TruthTalk] Soldiers rebuke haunting New Orleans spirits

2005-09-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
I never called anyone a faggot. I called the well written literature you so admired what it really is. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:19 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re:

RE: [TruthTalk] the gay thingy

2005-09-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
I hope you send that to your homosexual friend, JD. It is much better written than his. izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:37 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] the

RE: [TruthTalk] liberals and babies

2005-09-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
Reminds me of a little book I just read, The Giver by Lois Lowry. izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judith H Taylor Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:45 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] liberals and babies

RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oh yeah, we have those Heterosexual Coming Out Parades all of the time so we can strut our stuff in everyones faces. We are really the angry ones, arent we? Yes, may God judge the churches that encourage such debauchery! iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

RE: [TruthTalk] Soldiers rebuke haunting New Orleans spirits

2005-09-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
I think its Gary who is in need of a good evacuation. Maybe it would clear his head? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judith H Taylor Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 6:17 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Soldiers

[TruthTalk] [Fwd: [Fwd: Fwd: [Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: French Find Banned Substances in Lance Armstrongs Room!]]]]

2005-09-29 Thread Terry Clifton
Today's humor ---BeginMessage--- ---BeginMessage--- Original Message Subject: [Fwd: Fw: French Find Banned Substances in Lance Armstrongs Room!] Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:16:57 -0400 From: Bud

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Terry Clifton
Well put, Judy, but if JD cannot see this in God's word, he sure ain't gonna see it in yours or mine. I hate that, but that's the way it is, for now, anyhow. Terry Judith H Taylor wrote: Why arn't you talking about the "gay issue?" We are supposed to minister the way Jesus did as

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread knpraise
Judy insists that the "faith" ofRomans4:4 is a faith that works righteousness. So let's put that thinking into the passage and see what we have -- "Abraham believed (performed works of righteousness as a test ofhis believing) and it was considered to be a replacement for righteousness."

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
Stop being so HATEfull Lance.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He did indeed 'hit sin on the head', Judy. Mostly however, he hit it on the head with those in the 'churches' of His day. That ring any bells with any of you out there? (Judy, Kevin, Iz) At whom/with whom do we see His anger most

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
No that is not good for a starter. Please list their PRAISE worthy traits. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The second Adam, the Incarnate God, the Israelite-Jesus, lived, died, rose and ascended to the right hand of His Father to include you. How's that for a starter? - Original

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: Judith H Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:52:18 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality Why arn't you talking about the "gay issue?" So Judy thinks you first stop

RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
First we were told to TOLERATE Perversion Then it was we must ACCEPT Deviant behavior Now it is we must OFFER UP our children http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39726 American Psychological Associationhas promoted adult-child sex in its peer-reviewed journal

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Lance Muir
Y'all just convincin' this old boy in Canada that what Terry and I think 'bout your country goin' down the tubes is correctamundo. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: September 29, 2005 16:23 Subject: [Bulk] RE:

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Kevin Deegan
And your Judgemental too! Is yourBrand of HATE speech and JUDGEMENTALISM allowed in the People's Republique of CANUCKastan? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin: Y'all confuse HONESTY with HATEFULNESS. Y'all don't SPEAK, Kevin, y'all SPEW! JD has recognized this 'bout y'all since I bin on

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy insists that the "faith" ofRomans4:4 is a faith that works righteousness. So let's put that thinking into the passage and see what we have -- "Abraham believed (performed works of righteousness as a test ofhis believing) and it was considered to

Re: [TruthTalk] the gay thingy

2005-09-29 Thread knpraise
I did and thank you. JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:18:51 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] the gay thingy I hope you send that to your homosexual friend, JD. It is much better written than his. izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread knpraise
I believe it is spelled "judgmentalism," Bub, and why bring up the word anyway - no one on the right has a clue as to its definition. Hard to accuse someone of it when you don'tknow what it is. JD-Original Message- From: Kevin Deegan openairmission@yahoo.comTo:

Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread knpraise
I agree with you, Terry. I wish I could make my point !! Look - faith and works (obedience) or two different things -- right. Now, of course, each is related to the other.If faith (conviction) is real, then obedience at some level willbe the result. But in the Genesis account, at what point

Re: [TruthTalk] Soldiers rebuke haunting New Orleans spirits

2005-09-29 Thread knpraise
I do see your poiont -- but I still think the question is of prejudice, in this case. Mybe yes -- maybe no. To imagine that thereare no qualified black leaders in all of Africa is a bit much, I think. None ofus know much of anything aobut the whole of Africa. In the US, there is a host of

Re: [TruthTalk] Soldiers rebuke haunting New Orleans spirits

2005-09-29 Thread knpraise
Mess is a myth. The murder and rape rates are no higher now than before the storms. Jd-Original Message-From: Judith H Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:17:23 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Soldiers rebuke haunting New Orleans spirits

RE: Re: [TruthTalk] an argument from the gay community for homosecuality

2005-09-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
How can you be so double-tongued, JD? You accuse me of thatall the time!!! iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:50 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [TruthTalk] an argument

[TruthTalk] Katrina Racism

2005-09-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
In Katrina I Didn't See Racism, I Saw Brotherhood by Rabbi Aryeh SperoPosted Sep 7, 2005In New Orleans, beginning Tuesday morning, August 30, I saw men in helicopters risking their lives to save stranded flood victims from rooftops. The rescuers were White, the stranded Black. I saw