Re: [TruthTalk] Upon further reflection.......

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
be for the same reasons Lance, Has it ever occured to you and your little coterie may not have ALL Truth cornered just yet?   On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:41:05 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I mean no offence to either JT or DM in my 'non-enga

Re: [TruthTalk] Upon further reflection.......

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
- From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/6/2006 3:41:00 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Upon further reflection... I mean no offence to either JT or DM in my 'non-engagement' post. IMHO, neither has been seen to have altered

[TruthTalk] Upon further reflection.......

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
I mean no offence to either JT or DM in my 'non-engagement' post. IMHO, neither has been seen to have altered their understanding on any issue of substance since I've been on TT. Debbie, Caroline, Bill and, John have made concerted efforts to no effect. 

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
--- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 06, 2006 14:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God       - Original Message ----- From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
speaking with you - not "persons"  So tell me Lance, what is wrong with the scriptural understanding of Jesus?  His own words describing his own ministry.   On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:31:03 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: As to the conclusion

Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
ut DMsometimes I'm rather naive and prefer to think the best of people.  That isn't to say I'm perfect in that respect.I've got my foibles, and am trying to climb above them.  Care to walk that path with me, Lance?Lance Muir wrote: DH:I'm assum

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
irage?   On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:12:46 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ever learning and never...etc. From: Judy Taylor   Jesus addresses this in John 14:17 where he talks to the disciples about "The Sp

Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/6/2006 8:59:34 AM Subject: Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross Pray TO? Pray THROUGH? IMO, there is a distinction.   cd: No, they are the same as the only way to the father is through Jesus Christ-He is the

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
other Lance. I am not speaking of a godliness or holiness obtained by osmosis but one that is inward.  A pure heart and unfeigned love.   On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:56:10 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: As to your last point, I totally

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
each other Lance. I am not speaking of a godliness or holiness obtained by osmosis but one that is inward.  A pure heart and unfeigned love.   On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:56:10 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: As to your last point, I totally and

Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
at is THAT all about?   On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:59:39 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Pray TO? Pray THROUGH? IMO, there is a distinction. From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Do C

Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
Pray TO? Pray THROUGH? IMO, there is a distinction. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 06, 2006 08:48 Subject: Re: FW: Re: [TruthTalk] Cross       - Original Message - From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Idoloty

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
nd considers adding other meanings to His plain meaning anathema.       On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:33:45 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: You keep listening & we'll keep listening & who knows?...In your own fashion you are adroit in sp

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
and holiness is an idol.   On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:36:09 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Like I've said this morning and, on many other occasions, others more competent than I have 'walked away' in frustration from 'd

Re: [TruthTalk] Idoloty

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
onflicts with scripture.  Bill and John are feeding from the same source as you. As for DM, I think you and those in agreement with you are completely and utterly reckless with regard to him.  How would you know whether or not I have learned and what I have learned from him?

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
l.innglory.org Sent: January 06, 2006 08:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God Well then Lance, that is 'er - your opinion. Why don't you just give it a try and see for once whether or not your opinion is correct?   On Fri, 6 Jan 2006

Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
d you don't have to explain away or cut out anything -   jt     On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:18:30 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: NOTHING, Judy, is so unless it stands in the light of ALL scripture. You do understand, do you not, that that includes

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
is unsound from men and so I don't expect to receive accolades from men.  However, I would like those who criticize and accuse to come up with something other than their own or someone else's opinion to refute it.     On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:06:01 -0500 "Lance Muir"

Re: [TruthTalk] Idoloty

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
e.  If you believe that I an wresting the scriptures to my own destruction then you have a God given obligation to straighten me out - BY THE SCRIPTURES.   On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:11:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ''Deceived people don

Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
NOTHING, Judy, is so unless it stands in the light of ALL scripture. You do understand, do you not, that that includes what YOU SAY, do you not?   'Nonsense' you say? John/Bill hold more understanding of the scriptures in their pinky finger that you ever will should you live for another 1,00

Re: [TruthTalk] Idoloty

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
''Deceived people don't know they are deceived' Is it in any way possible that YOU ARE DECEIVED, Judy? Deception carries with it a particular meaning. Misapprehension carries with it a different meaning. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglor

Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
Nothing is wrong with allowing the scripture(s) say what they say. HOWEVER should you employ scripture(s) so as to invest the words/passages with a MEANING that is YOURS , not the Lord's, then you have done a disservice to the scriptures, to us and, to yourself. If DOCTRINES BUILT BY (WO)MEN

Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
Again, see 'He came down from Heaven' The Preexistence of Christ and the Christian Faith' Douglas McCready, IVP, 2005 - Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 05, 2006 23:32 Subject: Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incar

Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please You were simply described.DAVEH:   Lance, may I ask you where you draw the line on an ad-hom?  Is it possible describing somebody as a pompous ass to ever be an ad-hom in your opinion?  Lance Muir wrote:

Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
See 'He Came Down From Heaven' The Preexistence of Christ and the Christian Faith' by Douglas McCready, IVP 2005 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 06, 2006 03:38 Subject: Re: Re: [

[TruthTalk] Idoloty

2006-01-06 Thread Lance Muir
In EACH AND EVERY ASSEMBLAGE there are some who practice idolatry.(Divine worship given to ANYONE OR ANYTHING OTHER THAN GOD). Many who are raised up by the Lord become the objects of idolatry.   One ought also give some attention to ICONOGRAPHY. See 'The Dwelling of the Light' Praying with i

[TruthTalk] The truth of the matter is...........

2006-01-05 Thread Lance Muir
explanation are you looking for?   -- Original message ------ From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Both you and DM appear somewhat preoccupied with 'sodomites' (ie. homo'

[TruthTalk] Christian complicity?

2006-01-05 Thread Lance Muir
Who on TT has pre-printed signs for that which Amos speaks of (Amos 5) See also Isaiah. See also the entirety of the older Testament? How is it that the dreaded 'pagans' are those to whom the church must look for issues of social justice?   SUGGESTIONS FOR THE NON-FAINT OF HEART   The Constan

Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please

2006-01-05 Thread Lance Muir
02, 2006 17:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please You were simply described.DAVEH:   Lance, may I ask you where you draw the line on an ad-hom?  Is it possible describing somebody as a pompous ass to ever be an ad-hom in your opinion?  L

Re: [TruthTalk] TIME WELL WASTED - Slogan of the comedy channel

2006-01-04 Thread Lance Muir
perience a false jesus? From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: Subject: [TruthTalk] TIME WELL WASTED - Slogan of the comedy channel Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 06:55:37 -0500 Perhaps the 'dialogue' (?) most closely approximating this sl

Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please

2006-01-04 Thread Lance Muir
iginal Message ----- From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/3/2006 5:08:54 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please Are you PERMITTED to call DavidM a FOOLish man? Mr. Moderator please intervene before Dean is out of control!

Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please

2006-01-04 Thread Lance Muir
Every person, Dean, is of that nature. (including Christians) I assume that (the Christian part) would include YOU? Have you been so little time on earth among believers that you've failed to notice this reality? I've always believed, virtually of course, in the utter genuineness of Linda's

[TruthTalk] TIME WELL WASTED - Slogan of the comedy channel

2006-01-04 Thread Lance Muir
Perhaps the 'dialogue' (?) most closely approximating this slogan on TT is that which purports to take place between the Mormon contingent and the Christians  A paradigm shift is one way of speaking of a conversion. As to the possibility of DH converting to Christianity, the chances are the

Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please

2006-01-03 Thread Lance Muir
Are you PERMITTED to call DavidM a FOOLish man? Mr. Moderator please intervene before Dean is out of control! - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 03, 2006 16:22 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-03 Thread Lance Muir
t has come through his ministry. Actually the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy     On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:19:30 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: 'the office of the prophet in this sense is no longer valid'? Do yo

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-03 Thread Lance Muir
We 'fill out' words, ceremonies, symbols and, traditions with MEANING. In one sense only those who live/experience that reality fully understand that particular MEANING. In quite another sense, as I discovered 25 years ago, one can understand the MEANING invested in words, ceremonies, symbols an

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-03 Thread Lance Muir
t: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets Canadians who sit in lofty towers on high passing hot air . like they have all the answers.     On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:09:38 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> Sec

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-03 Thread Lance Muir
 anything but Christian in nature... Today churches are full of them and they have even infiltrated the Vatican.  Go figure..   On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:12:47 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: A prophet who visited our store some weeks back identified

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-03 Thread Lance Muir
ue, 3 Jan 2006 07:09:38 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> Sectarian, DM? Divisive, DM? You've commended Limbaugh and, 'your' > incursion > into Iraq. What, pray tell, could be more sectarian or divisive than > those?> >

[TruthTalk] Fw: what I said

2006-01-03 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: Lance Muir Sent: January 02, 2006 17:54 Subject: what I said Hi, Lance! I was at a Leadership Team meeting this afternoon at the school. That is a joint meeting of the Board Executive, of which I am part, and the Staff Council, over

Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please

2006-01-03 Thread Lance Muir
is not ad hom if it > >i true!!?? > > > >jd > > > >-- Original message -- > >From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >You were simply described. > > > >DAVEH: Lance, may I ask you where you draw th

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-03 Thread Lance Muir
A prophet who visited our store some weeks back identified the 'spirit' of Mormonism as the 'spirit' of Freemasonry DM. Any comments? As a prophet yourself, what do you make of his God-given discernment? - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglor

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-03 Thread Lance Muir
Currently DM, this would define neither ALL protestants nor ALL RCatholics.. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 02, 2006 18:32 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets John, do you understand the di

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-03 Thread Lance Muir
Sectarian, DM? Divisive, DM? You've commended Limbaugh and, 'your' incursion into Iraq. What, pray tell, could be more sectarian or divisive than those? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 02, 2006 14:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and

Re: [TruthTalk] The cross of Christ

2006-01-03 Thread Lance Muir
It's the 'left hand/right hand' thingy, DM. When I've heard from Judy concerning her daughter's plight (recently) or from Iz, concerning a block party (some time back), I see them as accounts of a different order. Believe me, DM, your 'light' is there for all to see. When not seen, you usually

Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please

2006-01-03 Thread Lance Muir
nsubscribe please You were simply described.DAVEH:   Lance, may I ask you where you draw the line on an ad-hom?  Is it possible describing somebody as a pompous ass to ever be an ad-hom in your opinion?  Lance Muir wrote: YOU WERE NOT INSULTED, DAVIDM! You were

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-03 Thread Lance Muir
Perry: Bob Passentino is a name with which I'm familiar. My own interest in Mormonism commenced in 1980. - Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 03, 2006 01:20 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets John, I have come across

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-03 Thread Lance Muir
WITHOUT the INCARNATION there would have been NO GOSPEL! God the Eternal Son came as A MAN so as to REDEEM HUMANKIND. - Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 02, 2006 14:35 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets David, I see yo

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
All suggestions by you, DavidM, are welcomed. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 02, 2006 13:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets Lance wrote: You are a 'godly woman' with a heretical theology of Jesus, Judy. that's why. Be

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
Amen JD! Kinda difficult convincin' the 'antis' on TT, though. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 02, 2006 13:37 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets suggests the

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
Again I say unto you, A DIFFERENT JESUS = A DIFFERENT GOSPEL.   Again I say unto you, IT IS THE GEOCENTRIC UNIVERSE THINGY - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 02, 2006 13:30 Subjec

Re: [TruthTalk] The cross of Christ

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
When the Mormons speak of 'a historical christ', David, they speak of THEIR HISTORICAL CHRIST. There's never a Kevin around when you need one. Perhaps CPL can advise you offline so as not to embarrass you. Why is it, David, that you are inclined to 'trumpet' your good works? However, in spite

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
] apostles and prophets I say "let God be true and every man a liar" His Word is where it is at Lance regardless of what Bill, John, you, or even DavidM says though I don't think I am in disagreement with him about the important things.   On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 1

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
Thanks for the opportunity to avoid a 'Davidic rebuke' but, no, I meant what I said just the way I said it. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 02, 2006 11:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets Lance wrote: You are a 'godly

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
Lance made in the LIKENESS of man.  He did say during his time here "the Father is greater than I" (John 14:28) so what does that mean.  How can the Father be greater than God Himself?   On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:27:11 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [TruthTalk] The cross of Christ

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
IFF BC/AD/BCE as employed by Mormon/Christian are absent CONTENT then, indeed you are correct. IMO, no word is employed without content, DavidM, therefore, you are INCORRECT. Y'all sound a little testy, David. That's why I mentioned anger. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[E

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
on of man and he layed his humanity down as a sinless sacrifice for us but this does not change the fact that God can not die.  God is a Spirit and spirits are eternal - they do not die.   On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:54:51 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
so confusing for children and new believers.   On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:08:28 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bin there, done that and, ain't gonna go down that road one more time. - Original Message - From: Jud

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
JESUS IS GOD. JESUS WAS TEMPTED WITH REAL, NOT PRETEND, TEMPTATIONS. JESUS DIED. I leave it to others to sort out the LOGIC of the matter. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 02, 2006 11:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does thi versemean to you?

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
versemean to you? I will not judge their motives but they are at least attempting to communicate in a lucid fashion which is more than can be said for certain other unnamed ones I can think of.   On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:11:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: [TruthTalk] The cross of Christ

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
Syntax/Semantics, DavidM. When the NAME is employed, it is filled out with a meaning. If your meaning and theirs (the Mormons) is one and the same then, that's your problem. Watch that anger, DavidM. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 02,

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does thi versemean to you?

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
do - and you watch Lance, He will win the case :-)     On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:00:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> What is the point in asking questions, DavidM, to which you already > know the > answer?> > > - Original Message

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
Thus, as said, a 'truncated gospel' as apparently preached by DavidM. - Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 02, 2006 11:02 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets David, Paul says it best: 1 Cor 1:22-25; 2:1-2; 15:12-18. Aft

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
glory.org Sent: January 02, 2006 10:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets I don't think so Lance, if they were you would understand that God CAN NOT die or are you of the same persuasion a certain German who proclaimed God was dead?   On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 1

Re: [TruthTalk] limbaugh love

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
adjust to the fact that when the Lord returns it will not be "gentle Jesus meek and mild" - all anger is not sin... only when it is self centered anger the zeal of the Lord is righteous tho it may not appear so to the natural man.   On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:38:30 -0500 &

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
ubject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets A believing man with the kind of childlike faith in God's Word that gets results. Amazing what can happen when we give God our all   On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:44:26 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does thi versemean to you?

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
What is the point in asking questions, DavidM, to which you already know the answer? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 02, 2006 10:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, what does thi versemean to you? DaveH wrote: I don't see that Paul's

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
: January 02, 2006 10:39 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets Why not? All spiritual giftings reside in the Holy Spirit rather than men - why couldn't DavidM be used the same as Smith Wigglesworth?     On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:34:27 -0500 "Lance Muir" &l

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
Lance, God the Eternal Father can not die - Methinks you need to clean out your pipes since it is a New Year now and revise some things   On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:29:12 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> Maybe, DavidM, the question ought to ha

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
THE GREATEST MISTAKE?? Yikes! Maybe you need a short course on Mormonism, DavidM. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 02, 2006 09:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets John wrote: I say that because the Mormon Church is so very

Re: [TruthTalk] limbaugh love

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
This 'killing thingy' really seems to 'turn your crank', DavidM. Maybe anger management is called for.  - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 02, 2006 09:49 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] limbaugh love The Lord is

Re: [TruthTalk] limbaugh love

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
And why, DavidM, would Bob Dylan NOT be as good an example as Izzy? - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 02, 2006 09:47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] limbaugh love Considering that Izzy is quoting Jesus who is th

Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
YOU WERE NOT INSULTED, DAVIDM! You were simply described. An _expression_ was employed that is no worse than 'brain fart'. Cool it, oh defensive one!   - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 02, 2006 09:46 Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
Are you, DavidM, another Smith Wigglesworth? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 02, 2006 09:39 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets John wrote: When you read this word, you see "office" and argue from that perspective. When

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
Why, DavidM, do you so specialize on minutiae? John is who he has become. He is the aggregate of all that has comprised his life up to now. But then, who'd ya be without multitudinous 'bunny trails' to go down? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent:

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
Maybe, DavidM, the question ought to have been: Who is the gospel? The pre-existing God, incarnating as a Jew, living, dying, descending, resurrecting, ascending, sitting and interceding. Why truncate the gospel? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sen

Re: [TruthTalk] The cross of Christ

2006-01-02 Thread Lance Muir
Offended at the 'name' of WHICH JESUS CHRIST, DavidM? The Mormon jesus seems to cause you little offence! A 'word which you cannot in all good conscience repeat' does seem to. Kinda wacky. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: January 02, 2006 09:57

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2006-01-01 Thread Lance Muir
Several months ago a young man came in to our store believing in a geocentric universe. In the 'natural' one ought to be able to demonstrate that that which is not so is, in reality, not so. ALL conversations between Mormons and Christians are comparable to this. ANY conversation with a Morm

Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please

2006-01-01 Thread Lance Muir
IFF you can understand, through listening, the lyrics of a Bob Dylan song, as he sounds now, then - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 01, 2006 10:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please DAVEH:  Wha

Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please

2006-01-01 Thread Lance Muir
IMO, to the extent that what you describe is historically accurate, this simply reflects what the church 'catholic' does with power. It (power) actually does corrupt. This is so throughout the history of the church.  - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@

[TruthTalk] A curmudgeonly Happy New Year to all ..curmudgeons & non-curmudgeons alike

2005-12-31 Thread Lance Muir
Lance

Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe please

2005-12-31 Thread Lance Muir
. So dear Lance, jd, and Gary, enjoy insulting me to your heart's desire while I'm gone. I'm giving up TT for New Year's. I hope the rest of you will email me often. Love and Blessings and a closer walk with Jesus to every one of you, Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] How to leave TT (was: Unsubscribe please)

2005-12-31 Thread Lance Muir
Agreed. Well done, Perry. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: December 31, 2005 08:04 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] How to leave TT (was: Unsubscribe please) ROFLOL! Perry, just when we needed a good laugh, you come through with this. What a good mo

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2005-12-30 Thread Lance Muir
t up? It does not even matter how I find David to be, so why bring that up? All red herrings. It is about asking you to back up a claim, and you being unable to do so. That is all. Perry From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: Subj

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2005-12-30 Thread Lance Muir
stuff, while producing very little substance yourself, so I suspected you would not point out David's speculation. Perhaps you just do not want to put forth the effort...or perhaps you are blowing smoke. Perry From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mai

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2005-12-30 Thread Lance Muir
Well said, Bishop! He did remonstrate rather effusively, did he not? Gotta remember, John, that these are the sorts of things he writes on those signs when castigating 'sinners' with the 'love of the gospel'.. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mai

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2005-12-30 Thread Lance Muir
cke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: December 30, 2005 14:25 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets I'd rather you did it, Lance, since you are making the claim, and I would like to see it as YOU see it. Only you can show me that. From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAI

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2005-12-30 Thread Lance Muir
les and prophets Lance, you may be right, but please separate the biblical from the speculation in David's post so the rest of us can see it as you do. Perry From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] a

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2005-12-30 Thread Lance Muir
IMO you speak more often with presumption than with authority. Much of that which you've said below is biblical but, some of it is speculation and, I believe that you know which is which. Giftedness and maturity, sadly, do not go hand in hand. - Original Message - From: "David Miller

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2005-12-30 Thread Lance Muir
IMO, yes you are as to the former (Scripture) but, not the latter ('works') L - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: December 30, 2005 09:50 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets Hi John. I was not sure that you were the one who wrote tha

Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

2005-12-30 Thread Lance Muir
As you, David, are a CT (contributing theologian) on TT, ought we exhibit the same caution when reading you? IFO always do. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: December 30, 2005 09:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets David Miller w

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2005-12-30 Thread Lance Muir
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Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

2005-12-30 Thread Lance Muir
re of.  This is not sweet water by long shot.   On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:12:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DAVID:Your semi-frequent interventions on Judy's behafl, though tres gallant, are somewhat sexist. Judy, IMO, IYO, IEO, is qui

Re: [TruthTalk] The cross of Christ

2005-12-30 Thread Lance Muir
DAVID:I may have missed your reply to the 'spirit of freemasonry/mormonism' thingy. Did you reply? - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 29, 2005 17:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The cross of Christ Most of t

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

2005-12-30 Thread Lance Muir
DAVID:Your semi-frequent interventions on Judy's behafl, though tres gallant, are somewhat sexist. Judy, IMO, IYO, IEO, is quite capable of speaking for HERself.r   - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 29, 2005 17:1

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

2005-12-28 Thread Lance Muir
I also was RAISED IN POVERTY but, what's that got to do with the price of tea in Virginia? As to the 'cute' thingy...well...she's somewhat older now is she not? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 28, 2005 02:49 S

[TruthTalk] David Miller's 'logic' for granting permission to the 'spirit' of freemasonry on TT?

2005-12-28 Thread Lance Muir
IFF the 'spirit' of freemasonry and Mormonism are one and the same 'spirit' then, one can't but wonder at the open invitation?

[TruthTalk] The ATONEMENT TOOK PLACE IN THE FARDEN OF GETHSEMANE?..

2005-12-28 Thread Lance Muir
IYO? or, in the opinion of the Mormon church? - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 27, 2005 03:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Merry Christmas! the Mormon doctrine  (official church doctrine) Christ's atonement for the si

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism & Freemasonry

2005-12-28 Thread Lance Muir
On covering one blanket with another, Blaine?? You were asked. I ask again. WHAT IS THE MORMON CHURCH'S POSITION ON FREEMASONRY? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 26, 2005 23:01 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon

Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people

2005-12-28 Thread Lance Muir
7;s nose. In fact, I'd be proud to kill him myself. (Think Jael!) iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:36 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Real men kill people Has

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