Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
, 2006 21:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoMDAVEH: Sometimes I just don't feel compelled to argue with you,  Kevin.   Don't want to "argue"? TRUTH is always able to withstand Public scrutiny! Maybe, you can call me names (like the other LDS quoted below much more availabl

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
2006 21:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM DAVEH: Sometimes I just don't feel compelled to argue with you,  Kevin.   Don't want to "argue"? TRUTH is always able to withstand Public scrutiny! Maybe, you can call me names (like the other LDS quoted bel

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
> > the truth?"/*> > _*After all ANTI's are Stupid & Losers and do not really undestand,> > > just can't get the facts straight!*_> > http://www.mormonismi.info/jamesdavid/negative.htm> >> > */Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:> >> > *To avoid WHAT?*> >> > DAV

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
truth?"/*> > _*After all ANTI's are Stupid & Losers and do not really undestand,> > > just can't get the facts straight!*_> > http://www.mormonismi.info/jamesdavid/negative.htm> >> > */Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:> >> > *To avoid WHAT?*&

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
;/* wrote: > > > > *To avoid WHAT?* > > > > DAVEH: Contention perhaps, such as is commonly found here? > > > > > > ShieldsFamily wrote: > > > >> *To avoid WHAT?* That nice, positive place? iz > >> > >>

RE: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
LOL!   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 12:04 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM   To avoid WHAT? DAVEH:   Contention perhaps, such as is commonly found here

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-21 Thread Dave Hansen
To avoid WHAT? That nice, positive place? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:30 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

RE: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Amen, Brother Kevin! iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:45 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM   CONTENTION is of the Devil 3 Ne 11  And according as I have

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
hat nice, positive place? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave HansenSent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:30 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM   DAVEH:  The Lord has provided a way for us to avoid it.ShieldsFamily wrote:  

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-20 Thread Dave Hansen
AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM   DAVEH:  The Lord has provided a way for us to avoid it. ShieldsFamily wrote:   What is the positive message about hell? iz Do you ever warn people about the FIRE of hell? DAVEH:   No, I don&#

RE: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oh, Jude, you’re on a roll….:-) izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:15 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM   What is the "Wo

RE: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
06 5:32 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM I understand that a lot of agreement exists between Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland. So? - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 19, 2006 22:40 Subject

RE: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
To avoid WHAT? That nice, positive place? iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:30 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM   DAVEH:  The Lord has provided a way for us to

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-20 Thread Judy Taylor
What is the "Word of Faith" approach Lance?   Just because there are a few nuts and flakes out there will you throw all healing down the drain with them?  This is why the church in general has so many sick ppl. Sin is not understood or dealt with most of the time because we don't want to offe

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-20 Thread Judy Taylor
s within your sect > concerning> > this. Amen, I guess, for consistency if nothing else. > > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>> > Sent: March 18, 2006 16:11> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell B

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
;, 1986 2. 'Faith and Rationality: Reason and Belief in God', 1984 Should you wish to present the positive side of rationalism, dualism, reductionism and, perhaps even gnosticism then, I should like to hear it. Lance - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAI

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
I understand that a lot of agreement exists between Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland. So? - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 19, 2006 22:40 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM The problem with you, Lance, is that you live

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
David:Will you tell us something about the 'church' you're a part of. What is your role in that 'church'? - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 19, 2006 22:31 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM La

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-20 Thread Lance Muir
ubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM What this reminds me of is when the Pharisees complained about Jesus healing on the Sabbath.  My daughter is healed now, and she is happy, I'm happy, my wife is happy, everybody is happy except for these 3 people who came together and talked about how dis

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM - confounded LDS

2006-03-19 Thread Dave Hansen
What does this say about the Power of Mormonism? DAVEH:  I'd respond with..What does this say about the ability of Kevin to understand what he reads?      As I said before, you seem to know a lot about LDS theology, but you seem to have a problem understanding it.  I can only surmise tha

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread knpraise
Couldn't have said it better myself.   jd   -- Original message -- From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> DAVEH:  The Lord has provided a way for us to avoid it.ShieldsFamily wrote:   What is the positive message about hell? iz Do you ever warn people about the FI

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  The Lord has provided a way for us to avoid it. ShieldsFamily wrote:   What is the positive message about hell? iz Do you ever warn people about the FIRE of hell? DAVEH:   No, I don't do much preaching, and when I doI prefer to be more positive

RE: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Perhaps they enjoy disturbing themselves. Meanwhile, we rejoice. J izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 2:00 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM   What this reminds

RE: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
row minded about what "real" scientists believe. izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:21 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM I DID discuss it with you off t

RE: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance Muir Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:38 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM David:On warning (wo)men re:'transgressing the commandments of God'. Everyone (including you along with all of those within your sect, David) 'transgresses the command

RE: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
  What is the positive message about hell? iz Do you ever warn people about the FIRE of hell? DAVEH:   No, I don't do much preaching, and when I doI prefer to be more positive in my approach.  

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread knpraise
You might plead lack of intelligence or that the Holy Spirit is not a rationalist or any number of things, but it is quite simple and true that if you do not keep the commandments, you are not in Christ.  Here is the reason that you and I cannot understand one another concerning the characteristic

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread knpraise
ems not to want engagement at that level. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 08:31 Subject: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM   David and Lance, why would you have the most interesting discussions off the list?  Do you think the rest of us are

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
OH like Paul For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Unitarians, of course, have beliefs.   Here is a definition of sectarian that allows many to escap

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread knpraise
Unitarians, of course, have beliefs.   Here is a definition of sectarian that allows many to escape the curse of "Sectarian !!"   Sectarianism refers (usually pejoratively) to a rigid adherence to a particular sect or party or denomination. It often implies discrimination, denunciation, or violen

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM - confounded LDS

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Riddle me this one Batman!Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A 'posture' from which a 'blithering idiot' like myself might learn.- Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 12:44 Subject: Re: [TruthT

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM - confounded LDS

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
Where are the valiant ones like in Helaman? LDS don't have even one that believes thier gods words in DC 71?   No one believes the promise of DC 71? there is no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper;   10 And if any man lift his voice against you he shall be confounded   I lift my v

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM - confounded LDS

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
But Jesus did not have a command as in DC 71 COMMANDING him to confound. Why all the verses on confounding when to all observers it would seem that it is in reality the LDS who are confounded? Seems the LDS god has called and none have answered. Men women or children. On paper in 1Nep 17 LDS are

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
There is no thing as a NON SECTARIAN unless you mean a Unitarian who has no beliefsDavid Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lance wrote:> David:On warning (wo)men re:'transgressing> the commandments of God'. Everyone> (including you along with all of those within> your sect, David) 'transgresses th

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread knpraise
nnglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM What truth do you refer to Lance? Are you calling him co-leader of a sectarian group because he encourages his daughter to believe God to speed healing of her wrist and relieve the pain? 

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread David Miller
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM What truth do you refer to Lance? Are you calling him co-leader of a sectarian group

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread David Miller
t the ideas expressed by these words. David Miller - Original Message - From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM I DID discuss it with you off the list but, you did not respond, David. What we (most beli

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM - confounded LDS

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
A 'posture' from which a 'blithering idiot' like myself might learn. - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 12:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM - confounded LDS The tables have been turned! T

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM - confounded LDS

2006-03-19 Thread Dave
The tables have been turned! The SP's call the LDS shudder! DAVEH:  Perhaps you are right, Kevin.  I know I don't have much fight in me at the moment.  Perhaps the modern LDS people just aren't conditioned to be contentious, which would explain why some would rather avoid the SPers rather than

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 09:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM   Since when has truth been evaluated by how many have in the past gotten of the track and fallen?  As sad as that may be every one will stand or fall be

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
It hasn't Judy but, untruth has. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 09:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM   Since when has truth been evaluated by how

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
ithout MEANING > what > > the> > early church MEANT. On this one DH may be closer to the truth than > DM.> >> >> > - Original Message - > > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
er the centuries who 'knew that they knew'!! Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 19, 2006 08:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM Your suggestion is a possibility if my speaking was a matter of trying to imitate t

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
As to the former, I agree. As to the latter, that's what I'm suggesting to David but, he seems not to want engagement at that level. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 08:31 Subject: [TruthTalk

[TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
in exposing yourself to some 'real' logicians (i.e. philosophers who employ logic without falling prey to rationalism).   From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>Sent: March 19, 2006 08:08Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM     > Well, per

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
No! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 08:19 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM What truth do you refer to Lance? Are you calling him co-leader of a sectarian

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
What truth do you refer to Lance? Are you calling him co-leader of a sectarian group because he encourages his daughter to believe God to speed healing of her wrist and relieve the pain?  or Because there are many religious sects on this TT list?   On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:13:20 -0500 "Lance Mu

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
rself to some 'real' logicians (i.e. philosophers who employ logic without falling prey to rationalism). - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 19, 2006 08:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM Well, perhaps I should ha

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
David could 'justify' this truth better than I, Judy. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 08:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM   On Sun, 19 Mar

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM - confounded LDS

2006-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
You are not doing what the early church did   DM brings up a great point. Since the LDS are a RESTORATION of the Early Church, why are you are not doing what the early church did?   I checked the word CONFOUND and it seems to be the Spirit of God come upon the characters in the BoM etc. Yet i

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
  On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:00:09 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> Like it or not David, you are co-leader of a sectarian group. Can you justify this announcement Lance by giving us a list of the various sects that comprise this group?  Mormon is obvious, what are the others.

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread David Miller
than making erroneous judgments about me. David Miller - Original Message - From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM I have read all of these passages numerous times. Yes, I do read the Bible.

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread David Miller
spirit as they did. David Miller - Original Message - From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM You, David, may be DOING what the early church DID without MEANING what the early church MEANT. On th

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
David, I'd say 'look in the mirror. At least our concern seems mutual. :) - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 19, 2006 07:46 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM Lance wrote: David:On warning (wo)men re:'transgre

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > David:On warning (wo)men re:'transgressing > the commandments of God'. Everyone > (including you along with all of those within > your sect, David) 'transgresses the commandments > of God', David. You appear to be using the word "sect" here rather loosely. I'm anti-sectarian, rem

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
You, David, may be DOING what the early church DID without MEANING what the early church MEANT. On this one DH may be closer to the truth than DM. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 19, 2006 07:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] H

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: >> Do you ever warn people about >> the FIRE of hell? DAVEH wrote: > No, I don't do much preaching, and when > I doI prefer to be more positive in my > approach. I guess the LDS organization has not restored the church then, eh? You are not doing what the early church di

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-19 Thread Lance Muir
your sect concerning this. Amen, I guess, for consistency if nothing else. Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: March 18, 2006 16:11 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM Dave, for what it is worth, your view of hell is also shared by many Prot

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-18 Thread Dave
your view of hell is also shared by many Protestants. DAVEH:   That is interestingthanx! Do you ever warn people about the FIRE of hell? DAVEH:   No, I don't do much preaching, and when I doI prefer to be more positive in my approach. David Miller wrote: Dave, for what it is

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-18 Thread Kevin Deegan
Then perhaps the devil in the verse below is also figurative? What other portions do you find to be FIGURATIVE? What is the figurative significance of "they must go in to the place"? This would seem to imply being sent somewher.   In one particular sentence, why is "lake of fire and brimstone"

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-18 Thread David Miller
onvey to people the danger of transgressing the commandments of God? David Miller - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM I did think from previous encounters that you believed there w

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-18 Thread Dave
I did think from previous encounters that you believed there was no "literal" Hell. DAVEH:  Quite the contrary.   As I view it, hell is the physical separation from God and his love.  The effect of such separation is similar to how it would feel if you were cast into the burning garbage dump o

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
I am sorry I did think from previous encounters that you believed there was no "literal" Hell. Are you saying then that it is not a place? It is not physical? When someone uses the term Literal that is synonomous with physical, perhaps, therein lies the confusion.   If this "literal" Hell you

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-17 Thread Dave Hansen
you have been decieved by the Devil DAVEH:  I respectfully disagree with you on that, Kevin.  Quite the contraryIn reality, I've been enlightened by a fellow TTer!     I don't know why it is so difficult for you to understand my position on this, Kevin.  I do believe in a literal hell

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-17 Thread David Miller
Kevin wrote: > Then according to your own book you have > been decieved by the Devil into thinking > there is No literal Hell Hi Kevin. Why exactly are you convinced that there is a literal hell? Can you present an argument for a literal hell for us? David Miller -- "Let your speech

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Then according to your own book you have been decieved by the Devil into thinking there is No literal HellDave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH:   You've surprised me, Kevin!   I thought you'd want to defend your position using material favorable to your perspective...namely, the Bible.  Bu

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-17 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   You've surprised me, Kevin!   I thought you'd want to defend your position using material favorable to your perspective...namely, the Bible.  But that is OK, as the LDS sources you've quoted plainly show the symbolism of the terms used to describe hell.  Why you would quote some of th

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell BoM

2006-03-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Jacob 6:10 And according to the power of justice, for justice cannot be denied, ye must go away into that lake of fire and brimstone, whose flames are unquenchable, and whosesmoke ascendeth up forever and ever, which lake of fire and brimstone is endless torment.   Alma 5:51-52 And also the Spiri

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell

2006-03-15 Thread Dave Hansen
Are you saying I am thoughtLESS? DAVEH:  Lance is probably thinking less than you think, Kevin! ;-) Kevin Deegan wrote: Are you saying I am thoughtLESS? Regular questions are intended to provoke answers -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell

2006-03-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
ct: Re: [TruthTalk] HellOH I see you are saying that what is true for one may be false for another. There is no objective truth A thing may be both A and NON A at the same time. Is the definition of this philosophy - irrationality - PostModernism?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell

2006-03-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
is itself a lie/deception. That having been said then, no further conversation is possible. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 15, 2006 07:47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] HellNo the conversation goes like this Men HATE the conce

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell

2006-03-15 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  Hadn't thought about it, Kevin.  Post a passage and let's examine it. Kevin Deegan wrote: Is it figurative in the BoM too? Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: NOTE to all TTers: I had attempted to post several responses that were rejected. Most of them were about the previous

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
Yes. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 15, 2006 09:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell OH I see you are saying that what is true for one may be false for another. There is no objective truth A thing may be

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell

2006-03-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
ssible.  - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 15, 2006 07:47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] HellNo the conversation goes like this Men HATE the concept of a place of punishment for actual PEOPLE therefore they will do anything to overthrow that PLA

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
conversation is possible.  - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 15, 2006 07:47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell No the conversation goes like this Men HATE the concept of a place of punishment for actual PEOPLE

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell

2006-03-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
eflect something negative concerning such an one?   .      - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 15, 2006 07:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] HellAnd Theologians revamp HELL before moving in Can't remember the authorLance M

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
Sent: March 15, 2006 07:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell And Theologians revamp HELL before moving in Can't remember the authorLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Suggested reading:1. 'Dare we Hope "That all men be Saved"? with a short d

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell

2006-03-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
l Punishment - VariousAll texts, including sacred texts, are subject to interpretation. This (Hell) is but one more example.- Original Message - From: "Dave Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: March 15, 2006 01:18Subject: [TruthTalk] Hell> NOTE to al

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell

2006-03-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Is it figurative in the BoM too?Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: NOTE to all TTers: I had attempted to post several responses that were rejected. Most of them were about the previous situation, which is now less than pertinent, so there is no point in posting them. However, a couple of them

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell

2006-03-15 Thread Lance Muir
e more example. - Original Message - From: "Dave Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "TruthTalk" Sent: March 15, 2006 01:18 Subject: [TruthTalk] Hell NOTE to all TTers: I had attempted to post several responses that were rejected. Most of them were about the

[TruthTalk] Hell

2006-03-14 Thread Dave Hansen
NOTE to all TTers: I had attempted to post several responses that were rejected. Most of them were about the previous situation, which is now less than pertinent, so there is no point in posting them. However, a couple of them may be of interest. DAVEH:As far as I've been able to disce

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell

2005-05-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.org Sent: April 24, 2005 08:25 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell You may like Coke I may like Pepsi BUT There is only ONE correct answer to a math equation There is only ONE correct formula in phy

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2005-04-28 Thread knpraise
something very different  --   depending on growth demands, depending on what He hopes to accomplish in me and you and that point in time.      JD          - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.org Sent: April 24, 2005 08:25 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [B

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2005-04-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
] [TruthTalk] Hell   DAVEH:   Do any TTers believe that some things in the Bible such as this are merely the opinions of the authors, and do not reflect the Lord's doctrines? ShieldsFamily wrote: I agree that dresses are easiest and prettiest. However, my point was that if you are really

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2005-04-28 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   Do any TTers believe that some things in the Bible such as this are merely the opinions of the authors, and do not reflect the Lord's doctrines? ShieldsFamily wrote: I agree that dresses are easiest and prettiest. However, my point was that if you are really goin

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2005-04-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
Subject: RE: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell   Most holiness churches teach that women should wear dresses only. It's based on the idea that women should not wear men clothing. The Amish probably follow Paul's teaching best. Of course, there are Amish who are proud or w

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2005-04-28 Thread Lance Muir
ever) It matters much Who we say The Father is, Jesus is and, The Spirit is. tcould - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: April 28, 2005 06:38 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell > Lance w

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2005-04-28 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > Theologian=Rational discourse concerning [God]. I did not realize that theologians had to be rational. There was a discussion some time back in which I thought you and another person objected to logic. Furthermore, I think of study of God and religion when I think of the word "

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2005-04-28 Thread Lance Muir
Amen to Caroline and, to David on this. - Original Message - From: Caroline Wong To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 27, 2005 22:44 Subject: [Bulk] Re: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell No error, Kevin, but only the complexities of

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2005-04-27 Thread caroline
43 EST > To: > Subject: RE: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell > > But the Amish women do wear dresses. Izzy > > > > _ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong > > > Only the Amish do bette

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2005-04-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
But the Amish women do wear dresses.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong Only the Amish do better because they also don't wear jewellery, perfume or make-up.  

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2005-04-27 Thread Caroline Wong
lory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell Point is please show me the ERROR in Pauls theology!David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Caroline wrote:>> 2) Can you name other theolog

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2005-04-27 Thread Lance Muir
-- Original Message - > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: April 27, 2005 13:12 > Subject: [Bulk] Re: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell > > > > Caroline wrote: > > >> 2) Can you name other theologians whom you

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2005-04-27 Thread Lance Muir
PROTECTED]> To: Sent: April 27, 2005 13:12 Subject: [Bulk] Re: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell > Caroline wrote: > >> 2) Can you name other theologians whom you > >> believe have no error in their theology? > > Kevin wrote: > > The Apostles &

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2005-04-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
Point is please show me the ERROR in Pauls theology!David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Caroline wrote:>> 2) Can you name other theologians whom you >> believe have no error in their theology?Kevin wrote:> The ApostlesThe Apostles were theologians?Maybe the apostle Paul was, but were the Twelve

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2005-04-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
ail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Hell We talked about how can we know when we're worshipping a false god. When we consider history from Augustine to today, it's not easy. It is VERY easy, this is exactly why God

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2005-04-27 Thread David Miller
Caroline wrote: >> 2) Can you name other theologians whom you >> believe have no error in their theology? Kevin wrote: > The Apostles The Apostles were theologians? Maybe the apostle Paul was, but were the Twelve Apostles theologians? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your spee

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2005-04-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
2) Can you name other theologians whom you believe have no error in their theology?   The ApostlesDavid Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Caroline wrote:> 1) How many of you guys believe> - that you have 100% correct theology> - that you have 100% truth> - that this is easy for anyoneI would say no

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2005-04-27 Thread David Miller
Caroline wrote: > 1) How many of you guys believe > - that you have 100% correct theology > - that you have 100% truth > - that this is easy for anyone I would say nobody on this list. Caroline wrote: > 2) Can you name other theologians whom you > believe have no error in their theology? No, but

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2005-04-27 Thread Terry Clifton
Caroline Wong wrote:     3)In your opinion, why do bright and sincere Christians believe different doctrines? How do you decide who is right? Is it by how well they match your thinking? ===   BINGO!  That incl

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