Is it possible that we receive the Holy
Spirit and the gifts thereof in relationship to our faith and obedience? Izzy
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Spirit and the gifts thereof in relationship to our faith and obedience? Izzy
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It has to take place
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It has to take place AFTER salvation.
Yielding to the Holy Ghost is not a additional filling.
Since every believer recieves ABUNDANTLY of the Holy Spirit, there is
not a class of believers who then recieve SUPER ABUNDANTLY.
A Believer can
It can take place as you describe just not as a secondary INFUSION of something you already & always have and can not lose.ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin, couldnt that go both ways? If yielding to the Holy Ghost is what the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is all about why couldn
It has to take place AFTER salvation.
Yielding to the Holy Ghost is not a additional filling.
Since every believer recieves ABUNDANTLY of the Holy Spirit, there is not a class of believers who then recieve SUPER ABUNDANTLY.
A Believer can YIELD
Romans 6 Neither yield ye your members as instrumen
Kevin, couldn’t that go both ways?
If yielding to the Holy Ghost is what the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is all
about why couldn’t that take place after one is initially saved? Izzy
I do not see it as a secondary experience but a matter of yielding to
the Holy Ghost
So then what is this ABUNDANCE refered to?
At the moment the Holy Ghost is conferred we recieve Him ABUNDANTLY.
Why then is there a secondary Bestowing? What scripture supports a secondary?
As to Gal I do not confuse the issue, We are told to walk in the spirit.
We also can resist the Holy Ghost
I
Kevin wrote:
> Titus 3 Not by works of righteousness which we have
> done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the
> washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy
> Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus
> Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace,
> we should be
yes
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God bles
VERSE Three And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
The holy ghost was not yet given, during the lifetime of John.
John 16 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come
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I am saying one must be Baptised with the Holy Ghost which occurs at the time one is saved Titus 3;5-7 I am also saying there is no special annointing with the Holy Ghost, just a matter of how much one wants to yeild to the thi
received water baptism and believe and follow Christ? Do you both agree
that you can disagree on this and still be saved? Izzy
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lieve and follow Christ? Do you both agree that you can
disagree on this and still be saved? Izzy
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Titus 3 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing
of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on
us abundantly through Jesus Christ our
Titus 3 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to
David Miller wrote:
>> There are many who are saved who have
>> not yet received the Holy Ghost.
Kevin wrote:
> Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit,
> if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if
> any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none
> of his.
This is one
DM says There are many who are saved who have not yet received the Holy Ghost.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DaveH wrote:>
DaveH wrote:
> Is there any indication that the thief had received
> the HG (which DavidM defined as salvation)?
Correction! I did not define receiving the Holy Ghost as salvation. I said
that one cannot receive the Holy Ghost unless one first experiences
salvation. There are many who are sav
The question was:
How did FAITH save these folks WITHOUT Baptism?
Woman in Luke 7
Publican in Luke 18
Blind Man in Luke 18
Luke 7:37-50 "Wherefore I say unto thee, Her SINS, which are many, are FORGIVEN; for she loved much: but to whom little is FORGIVEN, the same loveth little. And he said un
DAVEH: Thank you for the invitation to join this thread, Kevin. I
will change the subject line to more accurately reflect the discussion.
Several years ago, I posted an explanation to Izzy's question. I
believe she was even a TT member at the time, but don't remember for
sure. There ar
eaven. Some day I hope to talk to him.
Terry
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Terry wrote:
> The other place, where the unsaved were held, is
> known as Sheol, an
Terry wrote:
The other place, where the unsaved were held, is
known as Sheol, and there was a great gulf between
the two. People in Sheol were waiting to go to
Gehenna, or Hell as we commonly call it.
dm: Just a minor comment for the sake of semantic accuracy.
Doesn't the understanding of
Terry wrote:
> The other place, where the unsaved were held, is
> known as Sheol, and there was a great gulf between
> the two. People in Sheol were waiting to go to
> Gehenna, or Hell as we commonly call it.
Just a minor comment for the sake of semantic accuracy. Doesn't the
understanding of
Hi Terry you write,
Judy:
As I understand the Bible, Paradise was only for those old
testament saints that were waiting for the resurrection. People who were
saved, eg. Abraham and the thief on the cross and many
others.
jt: I have no problem with this, I specifically said that it
was wh
Judy:
As I understand the Bible, Paradise was only for those old
testament saints that were waiting for the resurrection. People who were
saved, eg. Abraham and the thief on the cross and many others. The word
Paradise means park or oasis and was used to describe the garden of Eden in one
DAVEH: Maroon is the latest
(6-30) post.
michael douglas wrote:
Peter says
that the heaven must retain Jesus until a certain time arrives.
This tells us that after His ascension He is not going to any prison to
preach to anyone.
DAVEH: I disagree Michael. Now you are making an assumpti
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:35:33 +0100 (BST)
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Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Jesus said he'd be with the thief in
paradise on "that day",
apparently the Mormon mind works
bassackwards *666!>
while keepin' the sense of Scrip
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michael douglas wrote:
Michael D: Hey Dave H, how would you reconcile the points mentioned below with the idea that Jesus preaches to folks in spirit prison? Any offerings?
michael douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Michael D: Please permit me a few observation
michael douglas wrote:
Michael D: Hey Dave H, how
would you reconcile the points mentioned below with the idea that Jesus
preaches to folks in spirit prison? Any offerings?
michael douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Michael
D: Please permit me a few observations on this topic, gentlemen...
Dave
Michael D: Hey Dave H, how would you reconcile the points mentioned below with the idea that Jesus preaches to folks in spirit prison? Any offerings?michael douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Michael D: Please permit me a few observations on this topic, gentlemen...Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DaveH wrote:
> As we know from the Bible, Jesus said he'd
> be with the thief in paradise on "that day",
> or the day they both died. Yet he did not
> ascend to his Father in Heaven until the
> 3rd day, as he explained to Mary. (Jn 20:17)
Hi Dave.
In past discussions, we have had two alter
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Terry
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Michael D: Please permit me a few observations on this topic, gentlemen...Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Terry Clifto
Michael D: Please permit me a few observations on this topic, gentlemen...Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Terry Clifton wrote:
To DaveH:A short time back, if I remember correctly, you said that in your opinion, people do not die and go to Heaven. I gathered from what you were saying that Para
Terry Clifton wrote:
To DaveH:A short time back, if I remember correctly,
you said that in your opinion, people do not die and go to Heaven.
I gathered from what you were saying that Paradise and Heaven were two
separate places, and that Paradise was sort of a holding place for the
spirits o
To DaveH:
A short time back, if I remember correctly, you said that in your opinion,
people do not die and go to Heaven. I gathered from what you were saying
that Paradise and Heaven were two separate places, and that Paradise was sort of
a holding place for the spirits of the dead, while th
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