Re: [TruthTalk] Perichoresis and Sanger

2005-05-14 Thread knpraise
  Think About It On that first day, Pentecost Day, the church began a process of community that included the breaking of bread, prayer, the apostles teachings and fellowship (Acts 2:42). If we accept the context of this First Church statement, we are forced to admit that the "apostles doctrine [or

Re: [TruthTalk] Perichoresis

2004-07-28 Thread Dave
Judy Taylor wrote:   jt: Say what? You sure have some high sounding theology Lance and it's getting worse.  You either have this "man is one with God" concept DAVEH:  Is not the "man is one with God" concept Biblical? or else you are making Jesus part of fallen humanity.

Re: [TruthTalk] Perichoresis

2004-07-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 7/28/2004 12:29:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, I do not agree with the part addressed in red.  It seems to me that Philip 2 is in contrast to the notion  that He did not forfeit any of His divine attributes when He became man.  There is no vali

[TruthTalk] Perichoresis

2004-07-28 Thread Judy Taylor
Scripture disagrees with the statement below Philippians 2:5-8 says "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus; who, being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God; but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in

[TruthTalk] Perichoresis

2004-07-28 Thread Judy Taylor
  From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Jesus is who God always intended humanity to be and who humanity truly is--if only we will yield to God's Spirit and relinquish the illusory reality of the serpent's lie. As Bonhoeffer put it: "Jesus is not a man. He is man. Whatever happens to him ha

Re: [TruthTalk] Perichoresis

2004-07-28 Thread Wm. Taylor
Thank you, Izzy. Your words are very much appreciated -- beautifully spoken, too. I'm sure the "Liberals" will agree. J   Bill - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 8:33 AM Subject:

Re: [TruthTalk] Perichoresis

2004-07-28 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/28/2004 10:46:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In his theology, Gregory Nazianzus advocated the doctrine of the Trinity, including the full divinity of both Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. He emphasized that Jesu

Re: [TruthTalk] Perichoresis

2004-07-28 Thread Lance Muir
ne (i.e. Bonhoeffer) If I can read, with respect, what Judy Taylor writes then I can read Bonhoeffer and Boyd.   - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 28, 2004 12:45 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perichoresis In h

Re: [TruthTalk] Perichoresis

2004-07-28 Thread Lance Muir
Preach on brother Smithson!!!Amen & Amen (as Oral used to say) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 28, 2004 14:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perichoresis In a message dated 7/28/2004 10:46:20 AM Pacific Dayl

Re: [TruthTalk] Perichoresis

2004-07-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 7/28/2004 10:46:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In his theology, Gregory Nazianzus advocated the doctrine of the Trinity, including the full divinity of both Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. He emphasized that Jesus did not cease to be God when he became

Re: [TruthTalk] Perichoresis

2004-07-28 Thread Terry Clifton
In his theology, Gregory Nazianzus advocated the doctrine of the Trinity, including the full divinity of both Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. He emphasized that Jesus did not cease to be God when he became a man, nor did he lose any of his divine attributes when he took on human natu

[TruthTalk] Perichoresis

2004-07-28 Thread Judy Taylor
Izzy: Thanks for giving me more food for thought - hopefully I'm not a flat world thinker :)  I do see "dance" as an act of worship; Miriam danced and David danced before the Lord. However, I don't know about the Trinity dancing with each other.  Dynamic relationship to me, sounds more like

RE: [TruthTalk] Perichoresis

2004-07-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
  Jt, I’m no great defender most of the ideas of our Liberal friends, as you well know.  But please tell me you are not such a flat world thinker that you cannot understand a metaphor such as “dance”, which implies not polytheism, but dynamism—a constant beautiful flow of interaction betwe

[TruthTalk] Perichoresis

2004-07-28 Thread Judy Taylor
Here are two definitions, one by Gregory Nazianzus who came up with the word "Perichoresis" in the 4th Century and the other by Leonardo Boff.  Neither of whom appear to understand the nature of God. In his theology, Gregory Nazianzus advocated the doctrine of the Trinity, including the ful

[TruthTalk] Perichoresis

2004-07-28 Thread Jonathan Hughes
  Judy says: .  To me there is a huge difference between his notes on scripture and the concept of Perichoresis from the 4th Century which has no basis in scripture.   Jonathan replies:  Hi Judy, please describe what you mean by the ‘concept of Perichoresis’.  If you are going to disagre