Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-09 Thread bhaaluu
Algorithm Education in Python http://www.ece.uci.edu/~chou/py02/python.html This article from Pai H. Chou at University of California, Irvine shows how well the Python programming language maps itself to the pseudocode used in _Introduction to Algorithms Second Editon_ [Corman, Leiserson, Rivest,

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-08 Thread Eddie Armstrong
wesley chun wrote: michael's and david's book spends a bit more time introducing the concepts of OOP/OOD more carefully and more though If it had been half the price I'd have bought it for a strong exposition of OO principles in Python. However at less than 700pp and c. £54 in the UK it won't

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-08 Thread Danyelle Gragsone
It look great.. but being a student I can't afford such a high priced item. I guess I will have to wait for the used copies to show up on amazon :). Danyelle ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-08 Thread Kent Johnson
Danyelle Gragsone wrote: It look great.. but being a student I can't afford such a high priced item. I guess I will have to wait for the used copies to show up on amazon :). FWIW this book is available to anyone with a .edu email address for $71.53 plus shipping, from

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-08 Thread Danyelle Gragsone
I wonder what schools offer python as a course. Sadly all the colleges here offer only perl. :( ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-08 Thread Michael H. Goldwasser
On Thursday November 8, 2007, bhaaluu wrote: I asked if the source code for the textbook is available for download? One of the best ways to judge the quality of a textbook is by the example source code. I also asked if a sample chapter was available to read? Sometimes an

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-08 Thread Alan Gauld
Michael H. Goldwasser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote to suffer through it). But for others, studying on their own, being able to read a sample chapter and look at the example source code might be the stimulus to buy the book Thats a great idea. I'll contact our publisher today so that

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-08 Thread Danyelle Gragsone
This is why I am going for programming instead of just CS. I am a very hands on person.. although I know theory is good.. I just think it needs to be evened out a bit :D. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-08 Thread Alan Gauld
Chris Calloway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote teach languages. Teaching languages is frowned upon in some computer science departments under the logic that if you belong in a computer science class, you'd better show up for class already knowing something as easy to grasp as an implementation

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-08 Thread wesley chun
I wonder what schools offer python as a course. Sadly all the colleges here offer only perl. Danyelle's question brings up an issue i have, and that is that courses in colleges are typically computer science courses, at least at the university level. there really aren't any programming

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-08 Thread christopher . henk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/08/2007 05:19:59 PM: Chris Calloway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote teach languages. Teaching languages is frowned upon in some computer science departments under the logic that if you belong in a computer science class, you'd better show up for class already

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-08 Thread wesley chun
apologies... meant to click the save now button but inadvertently hit send instead... On 11/8/07, bhaaluu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another way to judge how the book is, is by reading the posts the author sends to THIS list in order to help people. Mr. Chun and Mr. Gauld are two authors who

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-08 Thread Chris Calloway
Danyelle Gragsone wrote: I wonder what schools offer python as a course. It has been rather widely publicized of late that MIT this year switched all their incoming computer science and electrical engineering students to Python (from Lisp) as their introductory programming language. They use

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-07 Thread Eddie Armstrong
Whatever the rationale for the price you could buy 2nd Ed 'Core', Chun *and *3rd edition(when it arrives) 'Learning Python', Lutz (the two standard, known and respected beginners texts) for the price of this. Mmm, I wonder what I would buy or rather have as a student. Eddie PS (My apologies

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-07 Thread bhaaluu
Greetings, Many books have the source code available for download somewhere, or even a sample chapter? Are the examples in the book complete programs, or are they snippets illustrating a concept? If the programs are complete, what type of programs are they (business, science, other)? Does the

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-07 Thread wesley chun
eddie, Whatever the rationale for the price you could buy 2nd Ed 'Core', Chun *and *3rd edition(when it arrives) 'Learning Python', Lutz (the two standard, known and respected beginners texts) for the price of this. Mmm, I wonder what I would buy or rather have as a student. i've been

[Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-06 Thread Michael H. Goldwasser
We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. Object-Oriented Programming in Python by Michael H. Goldwasser and David Letscher Prentice Hall, 2008 (available as of 10/29/2007) The book differs greatly from existing introductory Python books as it

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-06 Thread Rikard Bosnjakovic
On 06/11/2007, Michael H. Goldwasser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. [...yadayada...] I thought this list was supposed to be clean from commercial advertisements. -- - Rikard. ___ Tutor

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-06 Thread Kent Johnson
Rikard Bosnjakovic wrote: On 06/11/2007, Michael H. Goldwasser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. [...yadayada...] I thought this list was supposed to be clean from commercial advertisements. I don't think there is a specific rule

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-06 Thread jay
I agree as well. Its not like there is a flood of these books coming out, or emails slamming the list announcing them. Jay On Nov 6, 2007 1:38 PM, Kent Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rikard Bosnjakovic wrote: On 06/11/2007, Michael H. Goldwasser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-06 Thread Jeff Johnson
As far as I am concerned this may be a commercial advertisement, but is it a book on Python to help people learn Python. I get all of my information from books and then turn to the lists (Tutor being one) to get my questions asked or what I have learned clarified. I have a difficult time

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-06 Thread Chris Calloway
Michael H. Goldwasser wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. Why is this book $102? -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-06 Thread wesley chun
On 11/6/07, Kent Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rikard Bosnjakovic wrote: On 06/11/2007, Michael H. Goldwasser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. I thought this list was supposed to be clean from commercial advertisements. I don't

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-06 Thread Alex Ezell
On 11/6/07, Chris Calloway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael H. Goldwasser wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. Why is this book $102? Supply and demand aside, I suspect the market for this, based on both the publisher and the author's employment, is mostly

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-06 Thread Michael H. Goldwasser
Thanks to the many voices supporting our decision to post to Tutor. We only posted to the most directly relevant mailing lists (announce, tutor, edusig). As an introductory book, it seemed quite appropriate for tutor. In fact, the topic of our (developing) book was raised in a thread on Tutor

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-06 Thread Eric Brunson
Michael H. Goldwasser wrote: Thanks to the many voices supporting our decision to post to Tutor. We only posted to the most directly relevant mailing lists (announce, tutor, edusig). As an introductory book, it seemed quite appropriate for tutor. In fact, the topic of our (developing) book

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-06 Thread Eric Lake
For that price the book better write my code for me. Alex Ezell wrote: On 11/6/07, Chris Calloway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael H. Goldwasser wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. Why is this book $102? Supply and demand aside, I suspect the market for

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-06 Thread Jeff Johnson
I have been developing software for over 25 years in various languages. I am new to Python because for me it is the very best fit for my business going forward. People ask me how do I keep up with the industry - probably the fastest moving industry there is. Books, email lists and

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-06 Thread wesley chun
In fact, the topic of our (developing) book was raised in a thread on Tutor this past August 9/10th. Ironically, the topic at that time is the same as that raised by Chris Calloway's question today, about the $102 list price. fyi, here is a link to the 1st post of the august thread from

Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book

2007-11-06 Thread Kent Johnson
Jeff Johnson wrote: I went to Amazon and ordered the book right away. I hope you will tell us about it when you receive your copy! Kent ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor