Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-07-03 Thread boB Stepp
On 07/03/2016 02:32 PM, Ries Rommens wrote: Hello boB, On the latter I was surprised that Thunderbird did not support conversation views out of the box. After opening Thunderbird you will see a listing of your emails. Clicking on the header of the very first column of the listing will give you

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-07-03 Thread Ries Rommens
Hello boB, On the latter I was surprised that Thunderbird did not support conversation views out of the box. After opening Thunderbird you will see a listing of your emails. Clicking on the header of the very first column of the listing will give you the conversation mode. (Second column heade

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-07-02 Thread boB Stepp
This is an update and a test to see if I have figured out Thunderbird's settings so that everything comes over as plain text instead of something else. If there are any issues let me know. Friday the Mint crew announced that they were releasing their new version of Mint, version 18, Sarah, so

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 01:16:11AM +, boB Stepp wrote: > I just now checked on IDLE, found it was not installed, and typed in > the terminal: > > sudo apt-get install idle3 > > The interesting part is since IDLE needs tkinter, it installed that > dependency as well. As far as I can tell aft

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread David Rock
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:16, boB Stepp wrote: > > > The interesting part is since IDLE needs tkinter, it installed that > dependency as well. As far as I can tell after typing "help(tkinter)" > in the Python interpreter, it looks like *all* of tkinter got > installed. Is this in fact true? M

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread boB Stepp
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Alan Gauld via Tutor wrote: > On 29/06/16 23:58, boB Stepp wrote: > >> One point I just discovered for those new to this and Linux: tkinter >> does *not* come pre-installed with the Python distributions; it will >> have to be installed separately. > > Yes, but it

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread boB Stepp
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:37 PM, David Rock wrote: >> I typed both "python" and "python3" in the terminal window to see what >> is here: Python 2.7.6 and Python 3.4.3 [Does this mean we are *on* >> topic now? ~(:>))]. Question: Is Python 3 used by any of Mint's OS >> functions? Or does it o

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread David Rock
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 17:16, boB Stepp wrote: > OK, I'm into a live Mint Linux session off my USB flash drive. The Cool. > I typed both "python" and "python3" in the terminal window to see what > is here: Python 2.7.6 and Python 3.4.3 [Does this mean we are *on* > topic now? ~(:>))]. Questi

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread Alan Gauld via Tutor
On 29/06/16 23:16, boB Stepp wrote: > No Git is pre-installed, but it immediately tells me the command to > type to get it! Cool!! If you really want to see what's on offer open the Menu->Administration->Software Manager tool And browse away... :-) -- Alan G Author of the Learn to Program we

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread boB Stepp
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:56 PM, boB Stepp wrote: > Now I can get into BIOS. BIOS sees my USB flash drive as "UEFI: Lexar > USB Flash Drive 1100", but it silently refuses to boot to the iso > image installed on it. Something new to puzzle out! OK, I'm into a live Mint Linux session off my USB

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread boB Stepp
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:12 PM, David Rock wrote: > >> On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:32, boB Stepp wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:02 PM, David Rock wrote: >>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:20, boB Stepp wrote: My Christmas present of a Corsair mechanical gaming keyboard was not

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread Roel Schroeven
boB Stepp schreef op 2016-06-29 01:16: On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: What about running Win7 in a virtual machine? What type of performance hit will I take when running CPU intensive processes? Purely CPU-wise, the performance hit is pretty small (normal instruct

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread David Rock
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:32, boB Stepp wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:02 PM, David Rock wrote: >> >>> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:20, boB Stepp wrote: >>> >>> My Christmas present of a Corsair mechanical gaming keyboard was not >>> _seen_ during the boot up sequence until *after* Windows s

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread boB Stepp
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:02 PM, David Rock wrote: > >> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:20, boB Stepp wrote: >> >> My Christmas present of a Corsair mechanical gaming keyboard was not >> _seen_ during the boot up sequence until *after* Windows started up. >> So I could not get into my BIOS area! I had n

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread Alan Gauld via Tutor
On 29/06/16 17:20, boB Stepp wrote: > that Logitech does not support Linux for this product, but others who > have done a dual-boot setup with Windows installed before Linux seem > to have found that once the mouse is connected with Windows, it will > be seen by Linux. This remains to be seen!

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread David Rock
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:20, boB Stepp wrote: > > My Christmas present of a Corsair mechanical gaming keyboard was not > _seen_ during the boot up sequence until *after* Windows started up. > So I could not get into my BIOS area! I had not noticed this earlier Which keyboard do you have? Most

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-29 Thread boB Stepp
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:34 PM, David Rock wrote: > >> On Jun 28, 2016, at 18:16, boB Stepp wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Steven D'Aprano >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> What about running Win7 in a virtual machine? >> >> What type of performance hit will I take when running CPU intensi

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread Wolfgang Maier
On 29.06.2016 04:16, Alex Kleider wrote: On 2016-06-28 11:46, David Rock wrote: Here’s my take on a lot of this (it’s similar to what’s been said already, so this is more of a general philosophy of distros). Very interesting reading for which I thank you. I'd be interested in knowing if you'

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread Alex Kleider
On 2016-06-28 11:46, David Rock wrote: Here’s my take on a lot of this (it’s similar to what’s been said already, so this is more of a general philosophy of distros). Very interesting reading for which I thank you. I'd be interested in knowing if you'd make a distinction between 'the latest

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread Alan Gauld via Tutor
On 29/06/16 00:34, David Rock wrote: > If you value Alan’s opinion Just to be clear, I run mint because it works but I've used many distros in the past, starting with Slackware then Red Hat then Mandrake and Ubuntu with equally good results. I don't like Ubuntu's Unity UI so switched to Mint but

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread David Rock
> On Jun 28, 2016, at 18:16, boB Stepp wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> >> >> What about running Win7 in a virtual machine? > > What type of performance hit will I take when running CPU intensive > processes? I don't yet have any real experiences with r

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread Wolfgang Maier
On 29.06.2016 01:16, boB Stepp wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: What about running Win7 in a virtual machine? What type of performance hit will I take when running CPU intensive processes? I don't yet have any real experiences with running virtual machines. If

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread boB Stepp
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 09:52:50PM -0500, boB Stepp wrote: >> My eyes are glazing over from hours and hours of Googling on this. I >> cannot come to a rational conclusion. Perhaps someone can help me to >> do so. I currently have a 64-b

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread Wolfgang Maier
On 28.06.2016 18:58, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 07:58:22AM -0700, Alex Kleider wrote: On 2016-06-27 20:48, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Also Debian. Not Ubuntu. Can you elaborate why you specifically exclude Ubuntu? I've been bitten by an Ubuntu install where half of the GU

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread David Rock
> On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:49, boB Stepp wrote: > > I forgot one concern last night: > > 11) My current graphics adapter is made by NVIDIA. Their drivers are > proprietary. Is this going to be a deal breaker for Linux? Typically, no. At a minimum, you will still have native support for basic

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread David Rock
Here’s my take on a lot of this (it’s similar to what’s been said already, so this is more of a general philosophy of distros). There are basically three types of distros (you can subdivide 100 ways, but these are the primary categories) 1. slower-moving, very stable, binary installs 2. fast-mo

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread boB Stepp
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 9:52 PM, boB Stepp wrote: [...] > 10) ... I forgot one concern last night: 11) My current graphics adapter is made by NVIDIA. Their drivers are proprietary. Is this going to be a deal breaker for Linux? 12) And what about wireless networking? My ASUS motherboard h

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 07:58:22AM -0700, Alex Kleider wrote: > > > On 2016-06-27 20:48, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > >Also Debian. Not Ubuntu. > > Can you elaborate why you specifically exclude Ubuntu? I've been bitten by an Ubuntu install where half of the GUI apps were unstable and simply di

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Following up from my earlier post... On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 09:52:50PM -0500, boB Stepp wrote: > 4) It would be nice if the most recent development tools were part of > the most recent OS version, such as the latest stable Python 3, gVim, > Git, etc. Generally, the major distros have something

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread Alex Kleider
On 2016-06-27 20:48, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Also Debian. Not Ubuntu. Can you elaborate why you specifically exclude Ubuntu? ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/list

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-28 Thread Alan Gauld via Tutor
On 28/06/16 03:52, boB Stepp wrote: Steven has already repolied and my immediate responbse was almost word for word what he said, sop I'll start again and you can consider this an addendum to Steve's message :-) > 1) I am not ready at this time to take on the challenge of *really* > getting into

Re: [Tutor] OT: Recommendations for a Linux distribution to dual-boot with Win7-64 bit

2016-06-27 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 09:52:50PM -0500, boB Stepp wrote: > My eyes are glazing over from hours and hours of Googling on this. I > cannot come to a rational conclusion. Perhaps someone can help me to > do so. I currently have a 64-bit desktop PC that I built myself. It > is running Win7 Pro 64