Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread Kevin M.
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:06 PM, donz5 do...@aol.com wrote: It's these little things that bug me, because if Carter is this sloppy with the minor details (this, Jay's appearances on LN), it calls into question the major ones. I knew a guy at NBC with extensive inside knowledge of the Carson

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread Wesley McGee
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:06 PM, donz5 do...@aol.com wrote: It's these little things that bug me, because if Carter is this sloppy with the minor details (this, Jay's appearances on LN), it calls into question the

Re: [TV orNotTV] Dobbs Back on TV at--Surprise!--Fox Business

2010-11-11 Thread Wesley McGee
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 4:45 AM, Mark J. wrote: What is surprising is that FBN at the 57M cable home mark is seemingly getting equity with CNBC, especially since Conventional Wisdom was stating that even conservatives in business prefer straightforward business news to biovating--or is Ailes

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Newsweek's Power 50

2010-11-11 Thread Wesley McGee
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Mark J. wrote: On Nov 9, 2:58 pm, Wesley McGee wrote: . . .aka the rich folks who play chess using poor folks.. http://www.newsweek.com/2010/11/01/power-list.html As described by Newsweek: In the oversaturated, hypercommodified media culture of

[TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread djconner
On Nov 10, 6:34 pm, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: It's Tom Shales mea culpa in 1996 that wraps the chapter up as the point when things changed, and you do the math to realize that the sword hung over this poor guy's head for almost *three years*. And he came out of it a perfectly

[TV orNotTV] Re: Newsweek's Power 50

2010-11-11 Thread Mark J.
On Nov 11, 4:53 am, Wesley McGee wesley.mc...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Mark J. wrote: On Nov 9, 2:58 pm, Wesley McGee wrote: . . .aka the rich folks who play chess using poor folks.. http://www.newsweek.com/2010/11/01/power-list.html As described by

[TV orNotTV] KO: Sajak's OK, but his show sucked

2010-11-11 Thread Bob in Jersey
Pat still contends (and repeated as much at Ricochet.com) he introduced Olby to Amer'ca... even I (Bob) know he was on CNN (out of NY) in the early years... he used to have a beard... http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/keith-olbermann-fires-pat-sajak-43997 -- BOB -- TV or Not TV The

Re: [TV orNotTV] KO: Sajak's OK, but his show sucked

2010-11-11 Thread Kevin M.
Well, Al Gore didn't really invent the internet either, but he had a hand in its development. The hyperbole aside, the sentiment -- specifically that Keith has become more harsh and scathing in his rhetoric -- doesn't appear to be challenged by anyone, and I think that was the point Pat was trying

[TV orNotTV] Re: KO: Sajak's OK, but his show sucked

2010-11-11 Thread Bob in Jersey
Kevin M, to moi: Was I the only one who didn't know Pat Sajak had conservative leanings? I never would have guessed that. You'd never figure it out from the talk show, plenty of which is (still) on the 'toob...he confined his political opinions to applicable print and web entities. -- BOB

[TV orNotTV] Re: Why Bristol is still 'Dancing...'

2010-11-11 Thread Mark J.
On Nov 11, 9:51 am, Bob in Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote: 'Cause her mother is a G.D. politician, fool! http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bristol-palin-dancing-stars-44515 However, politicians or pundits have not particularly done well on Dancing in the past and attempts at Vote

Re: [TV orNotTV] KO: Sajak's OK, but his show sucked

2010-11-11 Thread PGage
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote: Well, Al Gore didn't really invent the internet either, but he had a hand in its development. The hyperbole aside, the sentiment -- specifically that Keith has become more harsh and scathing in his rhetoric -- doesn't

[TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread Joe Hass
This morning while getting ready for work, I was discussing the book with my brother-in-law's wife. She does not share my enthusiasm for everything related to the events in the book, but I explained that I was through Chapter 4. How are you enjoying it? she asked. I feel like it's almost too basic

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Why Bristol is still 'Dancing...'

2010-11-11 Thread David Lynch
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:29, Mark J. mjeffr...@marcrealty.com wrote: However, politicians or pundits have not particularly done well on Dancing in the past Why is it working this time? Because Sarah Palin's people are different sort of crazy/ devoted/ (insert your preferred word here)

[TV orNotTV] Re: Why Bristol is still 'Dancing...'

2010-11-11 Thread Mark J.
On Nov 11, 11:23 am, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:29, Mark J. mjeffr...@marcrealty.com wrote: However, politicians or pundits have not particularly done well on Dancing in the past Why is it working this time? Because Sarah Palin's people are

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: KO: Sajak's OK, but his show sucked

2010-11-11 Thread Joe Hass
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Bob in Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote: Kevin M, to moi: Was I the only one who didn't know Pat Sajak had conservative leanings? I never would have guessed that. You'd never figure it out from the talk show, plenty of which is (still) on the 'toob...he

[TV orNotTV] GloryDaze preview

2010-11-11 Thread David Bruggeman
TBS has an extended preview, which appears to be selected scenes from the pilot, available online. http://www.tbs.com/stories/story/0,,233943,00.html David -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread Tom Wolper
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: Clearly Carter wrote this for people who did not read Late Shift. But I'd turn the question around and say, Do you think anyone would buy this book who wouldn't have read Late Shift? And that's what's frustrating me. When

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: KO: Sajak's OK, but his show sucked

2010-11-11 Thread Wesley McGee
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Bob in Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote: Kevin M, to moi: Was I the only one who didn't know Pat Sajak had conservative leanings? I never would have guessed that. You'd never

[TV orNotTV] Rubicon -- Well worth your time - but *not* AMC's

2010-11-11 Thread Ron Casalotti
AMC doesn't renew 'Rubicon' (obviously due to some subversive conspiracy -- or maybe ratings/cost). http://www.tvlatest.com/article/1690/AMC+cancels+Rubicon Ron Casalotti Wayne, NJ On Sep 14, 7:51 am, Ron Casalotti roncasalo...@gmail.com wrote: I started to record 'Rubicon' on AMC and had 5

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread David Bruggeman
For those who boarded Team Coco in his earliest years on NBC, I think some of them would be familiar with the press coverage of The Late Shift, whether or not they've read the book. Certainly true in my case, but being on this list disqualifies me for other reasons. David

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread Joe Coughlin
For the record, I never did read The Late Shift as I believe it was out of print by the time I got to really wanting to read it (after I read Carter's Desperate Networks). On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:40 PM, David Bruggeman bru...@yahoo.com wrote: For those who boarded Team Coco in his earliest

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread David Lynch
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 13:22, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote: Conan has a really strong following among people who were in college when they first discovered him in late night. The oldest of these people would have been children when the events of The Late Shift took place, and the

[TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread donz5
This, I think, is news. re Scottish Conan Guy, page 137: Attention and better ratings followed, and then came a deal from CBS -- one no other late-night host, first at NBC and now at CBS, had ever had. Ferguson won a guarantee that he would be the successor to David Letterman, should there ever

RE: [TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread doug
huh? Am I misunderstanding something, sinceI'm reading that passage out of context? "and then came a deal from CBS-- one no other late-night host ... had ever had.Ferguson won a guarantee that he would be the successor to David Letterman..." Whaddaya mean, "no other late-night host" had that

[TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread Dave Sikula
Not to out myself too badly, but I had no idea of the behind-the- scenes machinations of Kilby leaving TDS. What's the shorthand? --Dave Sikula On Nov 11, 9:03 am, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: Landscape At Late Night is, at its core, a tale-of-the-tape between Jay and Dave, with a bio

[TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread donz5
pp. 100-01: [Kilborn's Daily Show] was a genuine hit by cable standards, though, and Kilborn might have settled in for a long run. But about a year in, he gave an interview to 'Esquire' magazine in which he apparently wanted to underscore his masculinity, telling the reporter, 'To be honest, Lizz

[TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread K.M. Richards
Same here (out of print by the time I was interested in it), but my local library came to the rescue. KMR (who has memorized the library card number used to request inter- branch book transfers because of having entered it so many times into the Los Angeles Public Library online hold request

[TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread donz5
I wonder if Carter here is referring only to Dave's possible successors. There were none while he was at NBC until after he left, and Snyder and Kilborn were never offered such a guarantee. Thus, possibly, the reason for the phrase first at NBC and now at CBS. This wasn't in regard to anything

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread David Bruggeman
It's news, as it strikes me as counter to the prevailing narrative. Most statements SCG has made about following Letterman to 11:35 range from mild to annoyed disinterest. There's also been no other reporting that I can find of Ferguson officially signing a new deal. I've seen reference to a

[TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread donz5
On Nov 11, 6:17 pm, David Bruggeman bru...@yahoo.com wrote: It's news, as it strikes me as counter to the prevailing narrative.  Most statements SCG has made about following Letterman to 11:35 range from mild to annoyed disinterest. I doubt he had any options to respond otherwise. It might

RE: [TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread Doug Fields
Hm...okay...I guess I can buy that. Maybe it becomes a little more obvious in context, but I can see how that could be Carter's intended meaning, now that I consider it from that perspective. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think that must be what he meant, because I can't

[TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread donz5
Sloppy writing on my part: Conan was announced as Dave's successor while Dave was still hosting LN; Dave even had Conan on as a guest. But Dave had announced his own departure months before, and so any succession news had zero impact on Dave's own plans. On Nov 11, 6:06 pm, donz5 do...@aol.com

[TV orNotTV] Re: The War For Late Night: Chapter 1

2010-11-11 Thread donz5
Courtesy Kathie at the afl: Hour-long interview with Carter on ESPN Radio. http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd=1#/podcenter/?callsign=ESPNRADIOid=5787842autoplay=1 -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or