Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-26 Thread Doug Eastick
Re: huck Finn. I went to primary school where we did not have a coloured classmate until grade 3(? Hi Noel). Reading about that relationship was completely new and foreign to me .Yeah... Isolated white kid. I guess I'm saying that huck Finn is beneficial in education. On Fri., Jun. 26,

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-26 Thread PGage
This is a reasonable and compassionate approach, in the spirit of pulling episodes of a show that deal with a plane crash in the weeks after a real incident that killed many. But there are dangers. When they pull the plane crash episode of CSI: Whatever, we aren’t really saying there is anything w

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-26 Thread Tom Wolper
On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 10:20 PM PGage wrote: While I approve of what HBO has done here, there are still legitimate concerns related to your original objections. I do not approve of going through every film and television show and removing the now offensive bits. I would raise holy hell if they p

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-26 Thread Ben Combee
That was the premise of "The Wind Done Gone", the book from 2001 that set legal precedent for fair use. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wind_Done_Gone On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 9:05 AM PGage wrote: > > Well, there is no way to make a non racist version of GWTW, as you say the > film and book are

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-26 Thread PGage
Well, there is no way to make a non racist version of GWTW, as you say the film and book are nostalgic racist poems. But it would be an interesting project, maybe an HBO mini-series, to tell Scarlet’s story from the perspective of her slaves. It would put in more clear and tragic, heartbreaking foc

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-25 Thread 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV
I wouldn't want to see a "censored" version of GWTW, either, but I don't know if it'd be possible to do that. It's not a matter of a particular line or scene; it's the whole mindset of the picture. You'd have to rethink if from the ground up and remake the entire picture. --Dave Sikula On Thur

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-25 Thread PGage
Try them with a little Sriracha... I think I said AMC originally, but I meant TCM, and I think they were explicit (at least in some discussion ps) that this is what they wanted to do. I did expect some kind of round table discussion after, but perhaps what they will do is produce a kind of documen

[TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-25 Thread 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV
Moi, June 10th: > Temporarily, the streamer told Variety, until a discussion about its > historical context and a denouncement of its biased depictions can be > offered with it. > > > https://variety.com/2020/film/news/hbo-max-gone-with-the-wind-removed-1234629892/ > > (link) > > > The (option

[TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-24 Thread Joe Hass
My words are awfully tasty tonight. https://www.vulture.com/2020/06/gone-with-the-wind-returns-to-hbo-max-with-intro-on-racism.html There's a defensive part of me that wants to say "If you would've just said you wanted TCM's Jacqueline Stewart to do something with this, I'd have at least given

[TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-15 Thread Joe Hass
First, my apologies that I am so late to reply here. I am struggling mightily on both the personal and professional levels with things (nothing severe, but I can’t get my brain to as we used to say about hard drives, spin down). In an odd order, my response to PGage’s comments from 5:30 PM CT o

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-13 Thread 'bermuda999' via TVorNotTV
On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 8:10:46 PM UTC-4, Steve Timko wrote: > > "Birth of a Nation" is such a caricature I don't think it needs any > explaining or context. > > SPOILER ALERT > The final scene where the father is ready to club his daughter to death > with a pistol that has no ammunitio

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread Tom Wolper
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 10:59 PM Pete Ahles wrote: > "Gone With The Wind" has caused more damage than any film in history. It's > not the idea that's it's said the N-Word or perpetually stereotypes. It > promoted the "Lost Cause" narrative.- > That's a rather tricky claim. In the golden age of H

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread PGage
I don’t think HBO is trying to dictate anything to the future. They are just ensuring that the resources under their control are used responsibly, or at least are more likely to be used responsibly. On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 7:50 PM Kevin M. wrote: > Something Conan O’Brian has discussed in multip

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread Pete Ahles
"Gone With The Wind" has caused more damage than any film in history. It's not the idea that's it's said the N-Word or perpetually stereotypes. It promoted the "Lost Cause" narrative. Another example would be Oliver Stone's "JFK". It promoted a false conspiracy theory. People watching it think its

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread Kevin M.
Something Conan O’Brian has discussed in multiple interviews the last couple of years is the legacy (specifically the lack thereof) of the media and of people in the media. We are already to the point where the films and stars of Hollywood’s golden age are being forgotten. Historians and film buffs

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread PGage
I think pretty much the opposite. BoaN is exemplary filmmaking. I have watched it many times, including several close critical readings with master filmmakers, and with experts in Pan African Studies. Yes, the racism is gross and obvious, but over the last 100+ years many white viewers come away fr

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread Steve Timko
"Birth of a Nation" is such a caricature I don't think it needs any explaining or context. SPOILER ALERT The final scene where the father is ready to club his daughter to death with a pistol that has no ammunition rather than let her fall into the hands of the lecherous black aggressors, and then

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread PGage
So, the subject header here is somewhat misleading. They are not removing it, they are taking it down until they can replace it with a version that is not censored or bowdlerized, but includes critical commentary and historical context. See WaPo piece linked below. I think this is appropriate and

[TV orNotTV] Re: HBO Max removes "Gone With The Wind"

2020-06-10 Thread 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV
Moi, this morning (6/10): > > Temporarily, the streamer told Variety, until a discussion about its > historical context and a denouncement of its biased depictions can be > offered with it. > > > https://variety.com/2020/film/news/hbo-max-gone-with-the-wind-removed-1234629892/ > > (link) > >