On 5 July 2011 08:31, Wolfgang tds333...@gmail.com wrote:
just to note. If a move is preferred I give
+1 for bitbucket (mercurial)
I thought it might be worth noting that CherryPy have recently
migrated their website from Trac to Bitbucket
*
On 12:23 pm, m-li...@the-moon.net wrote:
On 5 July 2011 08:31, Wolfgang tds333...@gmail.com wrote:
just to note. If a move is preferred I give
+1 for bitbucket (mercurial)
I thought it might be worth noting that CherryPy have recently
migrated their website from Trac to Bitbucket
*
Hi, I actually have contributed a few small patches to Twisted. I've
attempted to contribute a few more which never made it in. I intend to
contribute more in the future.
I prefer launchpad over github because of its issue tracker,
especially the ability to crosslink issues which affect more than
On 07/06/2011 07:19 AM, Kevin Horn wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:22 PM, David da...@silveregg.co.jp
mailto:da...@silveregg.co.jp wrote:
Most people who stay on windows do not find cygwin or even CLI
On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 10:15:09PM -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 5:02 AM, Alessandro Dentella san...@e-den.it wrote:
On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 03:42:04AM -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:
re: Mercurial, I didn't like it when I used it. If someone can tell me
how to do
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Kevin Horn kevin.h...@gmail.com wrote:
Also, Git _is_ worse on Windows than it is on *nix. It's just not as bad
as it _used_ to be. It's functional. It works. But it is difficult to
deal with,
and a lot of Windows users I have talked to (as well as myself,
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 5:35 AM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Kevin Horn kevin.h...@gmail.com wrote:
Also, Git _is_ worse on Windows than it is on *nix. It's just not as bad
as it _used_ to be. It's functional. It works. But it is difficult to
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
As some of you may already know (either through a backchannel or because you
talked to me at Europython), there has been some talk about moving Twisted
way from Trac+SVN to somewhere that isn't Trac+SVN.
There are always
On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 09:41:12AM +0300, anatoly techtonik wrote:
To know if Github is terrible or not, you need some data - examples,
use cases. The first step in planning is to look at the current
workflow and gather a list of ways current Trac+SVN is used and see
where Github has
Hi,
just to note. If a move is preferred I give
+1 for bitbucket (mercurial)
If you ever want someone contributing under Windows, github with git is not a
good solution. For Windows there are good clients for mercurial and bazzar.
Git is more a Unix only solution. Launchpad has a horrible and
Pretty much all of those can be supported with GitHub: they can POST
to a generic website as a commit hook[0], along with a number of other
integrated services[1].
The only thing that I can think of is that GitHub issues doesn't have
hooks, so we'd have to poll if we wanted an IRC bot for GitHub
On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 03:42:04AM -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:
re: Mercurial, I didn't like it when I used it. If someone can tell me
how to do this[3] in hg, I'd be more inclined to play along. And that
I do this sort of things using mercurial queues. I pile up patches in a
queue and can
On 5 Jul 2011, at 10:31, Wolfgang wrote:
If you ever want someone contributing under Windows, github with git is not a
good solution. For Windows there are good clients for mercurial and bazzar.
Git is more a Unix only solution.
I have no vote on the whole moving off SVN, but as a former
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Wolfgang tds333...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
If you ever want someone contributing under Windows, github with git is not
a
good solution.
Why not? I know the reasons three years ago (and most of them were either
permissions or performance), but I have been
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Orestis Markou ores...@orestis.gr wrote:
Finally, for what it's worth, for me as a potential contributor to Twisted
(I still want to help with documentation) SVN is a much bigger barrier of
entry than Trac. Even an official git mirror (complete with branches)
On 07/05/2011 06:05 PM, Orestis Markou wrote:
On 5 Jul 2011, at 10:31, Wolfgang wrote:
If you ever want someone contributing under Windows, github with git is not a
good solution. For Windows there are good clients for mercurial and bazzar.
Git is more a Unix only solution.
I have no vote on
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:22 PM, David da...@silveregg.co.jp wrote:
Most people who stay on windows do not find cygwin or even CLI tools an
acceptable solution.
So, the argument isn't that git is worse on Windows than it is on *nix: it's
just that Windows users don't want to use CLI tools?
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:22 PM, David da...@silveregg.co.jp wrote:
Most people who stay on windows do not find cygwin or even CLI tools an
acceptable solution.
So, the argument isn't that git is worse on Windows than
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 22:19, Kevin Horn kevin.h...@gmail.com wrote:
Git requires bash. This makes it painful for me (on Windows).
In what sense? You can run git from cmd.exe, without having to deal
with bash. (You're not required to use 'Git Bash'.)
Also, Git _is_ worse on Windows than it
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Ivan Kozik i...@ludios.org wrote:
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 22:19, Kevin Horn kevin.h...@gmail.com wrote:
Git requires bash. This makes it painful for me (on Windows).
In what sense? You can run git from cmd.exe, without having to deal
with bash. (You're not
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 5:02 AM, Alessandro Dentella san...@e-den.it wrote:
On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 03:42:04AM -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:
re: Mercurial, I didn't like it when I used it. If someone can tell me
how to do this[3] in hg, I'd be more inclined to play along. And that
I do this
On Jul 2, 2011 10:28 p.m., Glyph Lefkowitz gl...@twistedmatrix.com
wrote:
On Jul 2, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Michael Thompson wrote:
On 1 July 2011 18:38, Glyph Lefkowitz gl...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
I think github means less effort for the reviewer because they can
review commits, rather than
Michael Thompson wrote:
[...]
Small, documentation diffs, for instance can be reduced to a single
click for a core developer to merge the change to trunk.
I doubt that single click writes a NEWS file, or tests that the diff as applied
to current trunk builds cleanly on a buildslave. So this
On 1 July 2011 18:38, Glyph Lefkowitz gl...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
As Itamar has already suggested, I think that this is a solution in search
of a problem. Aside from occasionally saving a contributor the trouble of
typing 'review' in the keywords field every so often, what is this actually
On Jul 2, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Michael Thompson wrote:
On 1 July 2011 18:38, Glyph Lefkowitz gl...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
I think github means less effort for the reviewer because they can
review commits, rather than a large diff. They can review changes
following a review.
I already review
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Glyph Lefkowitz gl...@twistedmatrix.comwrote:
They can have a tool to make comments next to the code and it is less
effort to apply patches and update branches to HEAD.
This would be nice. Is it easy for the reviewee to look at all the
comments in an
Hi,
As some of you may already know (either through a backchannel or because you
talked to me at Europython), there has been some talk about moving Twisted
way from Trac+SVN to somewhere that isn't Trac+SVN.
A lot of the devs do like SVN. My guess is that that's mainly because they
don't
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
...
Although I've hated git for a long while (and I still don't like it very
much), I firmly believe Github is the right thing for Twisted. My incredibly
unscientific poll amongst people who like Twisted but aren't devs is
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
Although I've hated git for a long while (and I still don't like it very
much), I firmly believe Github is the right thing for Twisted. My incredibly
unscientific poll amongst people who like Twisted but aren't devs is that
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Tristan Seligmann
mithra...@mithrandi.netwrote:
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by aren't devs. Do you mean
aren't Twisted developers? I don't see why someone who isn't a
developer would particularly care what development tools Twisted uses.
Yes,
Hi,
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
Although I've hated git for a long while (and I still don't like it very
much), I firmly believe Github is the right thing for Twisted. My incredibly
unscientific poll amongst people who like Twisted but aren't devs
On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 12:29:01PM +0200, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
There's a few existing hosting solutions:
1. Launchpad (+ Bazaar as the default vcs)
2. Bitbucket (+ Mercurial as the default vcs)
3. Github (+ Git as the default vcs)
As a very-occasional Twisted contributor (but
On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 12:48:37PM +0200, Tristan Seligmann wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
Although I've hated git for a long while (and I still don't like it very
much), I firmly believe Github is the right thing for Twisted. My incredibly
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Tim Allen screwt...@froup.com wrote:
On the other hand, using git would probably complicate the build/review
process: since Github repositories are (as far as I know) owned by
individuals, you might not be able to set up access for multiple people,
and hence
On 1 July 2011 14:01, Tim Allen screwt...@froup.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 12:48:37PM +0200, Tristan Seligmann wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
Although I've hated git for a long while (and I still don't like it very
much), I firmly
Le 01/07/2011 12:29, Laurens Van Houtven a écrit :
Hi,
As some of you may already know (either through a backchannel or because you
talked to me at Europython), there has been some talk about moving Twisted
way from Trac+SVN to somewhere that isn't Trac+SVN.
A lot of the devs do like
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
Is the reason you would prefer bitbucket over github related to bitbucket
and github, or git and hg?
The latter. Launchpad+bzr is at the top of my list because of
Launchpad; Bitbucket+hg ranks over Github+git because of hg.
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:29 +0200, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
Unless someone is going to go all NO GITHUB IS TERRIBLE AND YOU ARE A
BAD PERSON FOR EVEN SUGGESTING IT on me, maybe we can talk about
planning the transition? :)
Unless I'm mistaken, Github is a proprietary system, which means I'm
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Thomas Hervé the...@free.fr wrote:
...
Thanks for pushing this. Personally, I would prefer Launchpad and Bzr,
but we've been thinking about using it for the past 3 years, and nothing
really happened. What I really care about is that we move away from Trac
(for
Hi,
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Itamar Turner-Trauring
ita...@itamarst.orgwrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, Github is a proprietary system, which means I'm
unhappy about hosting our project there. At the minimum I'd want a very
good story about how we can get all our data out if we need to. And
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Itamar Turner-Trauring
ita...@itamarst.orgwrote:
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:29 +0200, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
Unless someone is going to go all NO GITHUB IS TERRIBLE AND YOU ARE A
BAD PERSON FOR EVEN SUGGESTING IT on me, maybe we can talk about
planning
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Jonathan Lange j...@mumak.net wrote:
I support Twisted moving to a DVCS and to something better than Trac.
I personally would prefer Twisted to use Launchpad.
Some points:
* Launchpad is much faster now that it was six months ago
Launchpad's definitely
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Jonathan Lange j...@mumak.net wrote:
...
* Launchpad is open source therefore patchable
Yes, that's a good point. I like that it's open source (although it has an
unfortunate license). Is
Le 01/07/2011 14:14, Itamar Turner-Trauring a écrit :
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:29 +0200, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
Unless someone is going to go all NO GITHUB IS TERRIBLE AND YOU ARE A
BAD PERSON FOR EVEN SUGGESTING IT on me, maybe we can talk about
planning the transition? :)
Unless I'm
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Jonathan Lange j...@mumak.net wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Jonathan Lange j...@mumak.net wrote:
...
* Launchpad is open source therefore patchable
Yes, that's a good
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Thomas Hervé the...@free.fr wrote:
Well, even not thinking about new developers, a DVCS will make the life
of current ones easier. Even though we can start to use bzr, it's a bit
clumsy IMHO.
Also, apparently there are ways of using bzr-svn that confuse the
+1 for github. The user experience of bitbucket and LP is
secondary compared to github.
___
Twisted-Python mailing list
Twisted-Python@twistedmatrix.com
http://twistedmatrix.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/twisted-python
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 15:23 +0200, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
Well, part of the hypothesis of the effects of moving to Github is
that a) the clear separation between core contributor and random
contributor because a bit more subtle, b) it becomes easier for
external contributors to
This, I believe, is the real problem -- tickets which were reviewed but
never closed:
http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/report/16
That is a very sad list.
___
Twisted-Python mailing list
Twisted-Python@twistedmatrix.com
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
...
Well, part of the hypothesis of the effects of moving to Github is that a)
the clear separation between core contributor and random contributor
because a bit more subtle, b) it becomes easier for external contributors
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Thomas Hervé the...@free.fr wrote:
...
One thing that concerns me is that Trac supposedly supports bzr, and we
tried to use bzr, but never made the move completely. Why do you think
it will change? Is it just that we didn't take any decisions? Or that
nobody
Le 01/07/2011 15:44, Itamar Turner-Trauring a écrit :
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 15:23 +0200, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
Well, part of the hypothesis of the effects of moving to Github is
that a) the clear separation between core contributor and random
contributor because a bit more subtle, b)
Well, that logic is a bit flawed though: you're kind of saying that we
shouldn't use a better tool because it may bring us more contributors
than we can handle. At the end of the day, we would still use a better
tool though.
No, I'm saying that given limited resources, addressing the giant
Hi all,
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 12:00 +0100, Reza Lotun wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
Although I've hated git for a long while (and I still don't
like it very much), I firmly believe Github is the right thing
for Twisted.
If the patch applies cleanly, pull requests can even be merged without
involving git directly at all, from the Github web UI.
cheers
lvh
___
Twisted-Python mailing list
Twisted-Python@twistedmatrix.com
Itamar makes an excellent point. That probably is one of the worst problems
we have right now. and it definitely needs to be addressed.
Figuring out how code could end up not-in-the-attic sounds like part of the
transition plan to me. I do, in fact, think Github means patches are less
likely to
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
Hi,
First, I encourage everyone to take a look at (and update)
http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/wiki/WorkflowRequirements
It was created a while back and hasn't been updated in a long time.
Second:
1. Launchpad (+
On Jul 1, 2011, at 7:44, Itamar Turner-Trauring ita...@itamarst.org wrote:
I'm not sure getting more patches should be our main goal, for now.
(It's a good *long term* goal!).
We have a large number of uncommitted third-party patches in tickets.
2 of those are mine. They're almost to the
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Christopher Armstrong
ra...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
Hi,
First, I encourage everyone to take a look at (and
update) http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/wiki/WorkflowRequirements
It was created
On 01/07/11 11:29, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
Hi,
As some of you may already know (either through a backchannel or because
you talked to me at Europython), there has been some talk about moving
Twisted way from Trac+SVN to somewhere that isn't Trac+SVN.
A lot of the devs do like SVN. My
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Thomas Hervé the...@free.fr wrote:
Le 01/07/2011 16:42, Itamar Turner-Trauring a écrit :
Well, that logic is a bit flawed though: you're kind of saying that we
shouldn't use a better tool because it may bring us more contributors
than we can handle. At the
On Jul 1, 2011, at 6:29 AM, Laurens Van Houtven wrote:
As some of you may already know (either through a backchannel or because you
talked to me at Europython), there has been some talk about moving Twisted
way from Trac+SVN to somewhere that isn't Trac+SVN.
A lot of the devs do like
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
Hi,
As some of you may already know (either through a backchannel or because
you talked to me at Europython), there has been some talk about moving
Twisted way from Trac+SVN to somewhere that isn't Trac+SVN.
A lot of
Although, the other questions raised in this thread, about what parts of our
workflow are problematic, are worth talking about separately.
Moving from a manual patch-based process to a DVCS where branching is cheap and
the workflow can be moved to push/pull would be a huge step in the right
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Kevin Horn kevin.h...@gmail.com wrote:
* Does Github's ticketing system have the kind of integration with Git
that Twisted has built for Trac+SVN? Bitbucket has some similar stuff,
so I would be surprised if Github didn't, but I just don't know.
Stuff
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Laurens Van Houtven _...@lvh.cc wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Kevin Horn kevin.h...@gmail.com wrote:
* Git is annoying. It's a pretty horrible piece of software in my
opinion, and made some bad design decisions.
magit makes it a lot more
Twisted has a very polite club-like culture where some are on the inside,
most aren't and it's clear where on that line anyone is. Submitting to the
pain of the current submission tools almost seems viewed as a kind of
worthwhile hazing to weed out the unworthy. A lot of the resistance to
I did not say contributing shouldn't be easier; I said getting more
contributions is pointless (and annoying to contributors!) if we can't
manage to get them incorporated into trunk. If DVCS will make code easier
to incorporate, by encouraging contributors to iterate on patches, then we
What data do you care about? Wikis and code are in git repositories,
and they have a very exhaustive API[0] for pretty much everything
else.
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Mikhail Terekhov ter...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Itamar Turner-Trauring ita...@itamarst.org
69 matches
Mail list logo
