[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-11 Thread Dewald Pretorius
I guess the lawyers wrote this draft as an extension of the modified Twitter TOS. Alex, you will need to jump on this draft from a dizzy height and get all your Platform rules in there. Once the API Rules are published as The Rules you will have no grounds to blacklist an application for other

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-11 Thread Dean Collins
Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use I guess the lawyers wrote this draft as an extension of the modified Twitter TOS. Alex, you will need to jump on this draft from a dizzy height and get all your Platform rules in there. Once the API Rules are published

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-11 Thread Ben Eliott
My reading is that twitter can blacklist an app at any time for any reason - Twitter may suspend or terminate your access to the API - That being true, effectively it means that's the rule and the other points are really guidelines. It provides total freedom for the Platform team.

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-11 Thread Marco Kaiser
). -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto: twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dewald Pretorius Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:43 AM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use I

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-11 Thread Dean Collins
From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marco Kaiser Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:43 AM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-11 Thread Marco Kaiser
...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Marco Kaiser *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2009 10:43 AM *To:* twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use 2009/9/11 Dean Collins d...@cognation.net Yep, this *we can blacklist an app for any

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-11 Thread Ryan Sarver
Hey Jesse, thanks for the question. The intention here is to stop applications that are posting on the user's behalf without an explicit understanding of the action. There are some apps that post without the user giving permission each time, but the app needs to specify that at some point and

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-11 Thread PJB
in-dial). -Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dewald Pretorius Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:43 AM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-11 Thread Dewald Pretorius
Ryan, Careful with that one, because I have seen users say that about tweets they specifically scheduled, but have simply forgotten that they did so. The application is usually the first to be blamed publicly in a tweet. It's far easier than for the user to say, Oops, I messed up and forgot. As

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-11 Thread Dewald Pretorius
Dean, What you did most probably triggered the following churn code in Twitter, and that was why that account was suspended. Dewald On Sep 11, 12:41 pm, Dean Collins d...@cognation.net wrote: Basically fired up TwitterKarma to delete accounts not following me from last seasons posts and

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-11 Thread John Kalucki
Dewald, Perhaps your application should send periodic reminder emails to subscribers, perhaps after each status sent, but limited to once a week? You could take the opportunity to do marketing and detail future scheduled tweets and provide a link back to your service for schedule editing. -John

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-11 Thread Dewald Pretorius
John, I cannot do that, because my 120,000+ current user base has not opted in for that type of communication from me. I will get spam complaints left right and center if I did that, and my email deliverability on emails that I do send will be severely impacted. For your suggestion to work,

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-11 Thread Dean Collins
-Original Message- From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of PJB Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:49 PM To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use Dean: Can you

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-11 Thread Jesse Stay
Ryan, that makes total sense. The TOS is a bit unclear in that matter. Jesse On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Ryan Sarver rsar...@twitter.com wrote: Hey Jesse, thanks for the question. The intention here is to stop applications that are posting on the user's behalf without an explicit

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-11 Thread PJB
Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use Dean: Can you please stop posting about your individual TWITTER ACCOUNT issue on a Twitter developer forum?  No app was blacklisted in your case -- rather your account was suspended.  There's a big difference

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-10 Thread Dewald Pretorius
I expected to see more along the lines of rules of which the violation would cause a blacklisting of the app. No problems with what is in the draft at present. Dewald

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-10 Thread Dean Collins
No offence but can you please post these 'draft' rules along with the current API rules. Sorry if I sound 'overtly suspicious' but as you can imagine I'm a little wary of anything that twitter inc says at the moment and would like to have all of the rules in a single location as it causes

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-10 Thread Dewald Pretorius
Dean, That's basically what I meant. We know those are not the only rules, so the other rules should also in the draft, shouldn't they? Dewald On Sep 10, 9:50 pm, Dean Collins d...@cognation.net wrote: No offence but can you please post these 'draft' rules along with the current API rules.

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-10 Thread Jesse Stay
This is great news! Regarding sending Tweets on a user's behalf, does that refer to DMs as well, and when seeking permission, must it be on a tweet-by-tweet basis, or can a user give you permission beforehand to have complete control over Tweeting on their behalf? I'd like to see that part

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-10 Thread Dean Collins
To: Twitter Development Talk Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use Dean, That's basically what I meant. We know those are not the only rules, so the other rules should also in the draft, shouldn't they? Dewald On Sep 10, 9:50 pm, Dean Collins d...@cognation.net wrote

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-10 Thread Dewald Pretorius
Jesse, I know where you are heading with this. ;-) If a user explicitly activates a feature in an app that sends DMs on their behalf, they at that point explicitly grants the app permission to do so. Dewald On Sep 10, 10:10 pm, Jesse Stay jesses...@gmail.com wrote: This is great news!  

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-10 Thread Jesse Stay
Dewald, I'm not heading anywhere with it. I just want Twitter to clarify the terms, that's all. Feel free to leave your input if you have an opinion on what those details should be. Jesse On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Jesse, I know where you are

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-10 Thread Dewald Pretorius
Jesse, I apologize. Then I made incorrect assumptions. I thought you saw it as the potential Excalibur in the fight against auto-DMs. In my case, not only does the user activate the feature, he also provides the exact text that must be sent. Not only is that express consent, it is express

[twitter-dev] Re: Draft: Twitter Rules for API Use

2009-09-10 Thread PJB
This document needs further detail, specifics, and allowances. 1. Identify the user that authored or provided the Tweet What do you mean by this? Presumably the author of the tweet is the person for whom the tweet appears on Twitter.com and who therefore actually made the tweet or authorized