[twitter-dev] Re: the new retweet feature might break my app

2009-12-03 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Dec 2, 7:36 pm, John Kalucki j...@twitter.com wrote: This is documented, supported and subject to as much change or stasis as any other Twitter feature. The entire tweet is given to avoid an extra round-trip in rendering timelines. Many our results are denormalized in this way, as a

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: the new retweet feature might break my app

2009-12-02 Thread John Kalucki
This is documented, supported and subject to as much change or stasis as any other Twitter feature. The entire tweet is given to avoid an extra round-trip in rendering timelines. Many our results are denormalized in this way, as a fully normalized schema delivered via an Internet service would be

[twitter-dev] Re: the new retweet feature might break my app

2009-11-13 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 08:00:56AM -0800, Cameron Kaiser wrote: Speaking for TTYtter only, while I'll support receiving retweets, I am unhappy with the API as it currently exists and retweets received will be canonized into the older format (and retweets sent will be done programmatically in

[twitter-dev] Re: the new retweet feature might break my app

2009-11-13 Thread cadams500
I am unhappy with the API as it currently exists and retweets received will be canonized into the older format (and retweets sent will be done programmatically in the older fashion instead of through the retweet methods). I suspect there are other app authors who will also do something

[twitter-dev] Re: the new retweet feature might break my app

2009-11-13 Thread Cameron Kaiser
Does twitter have plans to prevent status messages (just like they prevent duplicates) that use the old retweet format and in effect, force applications to upgrade to using the retweet api? Ignoring how steamed people would be if that happened, I doubt it, because there are plenty of ways to

[twitter-dev] Re: the new retweet feature might break my app

2009-11-13 Thread Cameron Kaiser
Speaking for TTYtter only, while I'll support receiving retweets, I am unhappy with the API as it currently exists and retweets received will be canonized into the older format (and retweets sent will be done programmatically in the older fashion instead of through the retweet methods).

[twitter-dev] Re: the new retweet feature might break my app

2009-11-13 Thread stephane
Thing is the new RT api simply does not express the same thing the classic RT @xxx is : It's a subset of a big set of meanings : [ Like , Forward , Comment, Thanks, Emphasis, Reply ] (and I'm sure there are a lot more uses) The rich semantic of classic RTs make them sometime difficult to analyze

[twitter-dev] Re: the new retweet feature might break my app

2009-11-12 Thread Walter Smulders
In the examples that are shown in the developers preview for the RT api these where prefixed with RT, was this done on purpose or did this change after the examples where made public? On Nov 11, 6:48 pm, John Kalucki jkalu...@gmail.com wrote: Search is aware of the need for a retweet operator,

[twitter-dev] Re: the new retweet feature might break my app

2009-11-12 Thread John Kalucki
The Retweet feature has many possible realizations. We've tried nearly every possible combination of all the functional dimensions as the feature evolved over many months. It's possible that what you saw was based on a snapshot of the current state of the feature, and the feature subsequently

[twitter-dev] Re: the new retweet feature might break my app

2009-11-12 Thread cadams500
Change breaks both expectations and code. It is inevitable. I agree with this statement. However, there seems to be some confusion over whether retweets will still be prefixed with RT. If retweets are no longer prefixed with RT, then I do not understand why that change is being made. You could

[twitter-dev] Re: the new retweet feature might break my app

2009-11-12 Thread Cameron Kaiser
My concern is that there is nothing to force users to upgrade their twitter applications, there is nothing to force applications to use the retweet API (although, I agree most probably will) and for an indeterminate amount of time users will still retweet by prefixing their tweets with RT.

[twitter-dev] Re: the new retweet feature might break my app

2009-11-12 Thread John Kalucki
I think I've added to the confusion. Sorry about making things worse. I was coming from a strictly search viewpoint. But Retweet is not so simple! There are lots of different places that Tweets are rendered: Various timelines, Search, Streaming, SMS, etc. etc. Various renderings and search

[twitter-dev] Re: the new retweet feature might break my app

2009-11-11 Thread Yaniv Golan
oh... that's cool :) Thanks i really got wםrried for a sec On Nov 11, 5:08 pm, Walter Smulders walter.smuld...@gmail.com wrote: With the retweet function the status text will still be prefixed with RT On Nov 11, 11:59 am, Yaniv Golan yango2...@walla.co.il wrote: Hi I'm using twitter

[twitter-dev] Re: the new retweet feature might break my app

2009-11-11 Thread Yaniv Golan
and now i hear from someone who already has the new RT that statuses aren't prefixed! so are they or aren't they prefixed? I'd love to get formal answer or reference to formal info on this On Nov 11, 6:58 pm, Yaniv Golan stu...@yanivgolan.com wrote: oh... that's cool :) Thanks i really got

[twitter-dev] Re: the new retweet feature might break my app

2009-11-11 Thread John Kalucki
Retweets do not modify the original text in any way. There is no RT to search upon. There is a feed of all public retweets on the Streaming API, but it is not generally available. Instead, you can request a sample of all statuses and filter for those that are retweets. -John Kalucki

[twitter-dev] Re: the new retweet feature might break my app

2009-11-11 Thread Yaniv Golan
Thanks John, this means that my app won't work anymore! streaming api makes my life very hard hence i need to search for links and then extract them, this is very resource demanding to do on the fly while with search API i can search then extract and then search again i could use queue system but

[twitter-dev] Re: the new retweet feature might break my app

2009-11-11 Thread John Kalucki
Search is aware of the need for a retweet operator, but the feature is unscheduled and completely speculative. In any case, Search will become less useful for this sort of repetitive complete corpus search. If you need all of something, or a sample of something, you should be moving to the