Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

2011-04-26 Thread Doug Averch
The problem is two parts. First, we programmers have failed to show management that we have the skill set to Innovate or Die. Secondly, we have managers that are happy they are employed and don't know or care what U2 can do. Maybe this is because they don't know or perhaps we have not done

Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

2011-04-26 Thread Allen E. Elwood
Ah but the VP's make their SAP decisions at Pebble Beach where only VP's and CEO's roam and where inexpensive and effective are synonymous with cheap and untrustworthy. Political decisions have nothing to do with reality or budgets since it's just another notch on the resume before their next

Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

2011-04-26 Thread Mike Randall
Doug, I think you make an excellent point about too many in the U2 space that fail to show what the technology can do and obsolete themselves and the product in the process. In today's world of smart phones, tablets and the web, green screen apps just don't cut it.These 'saying goodbye'

Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

2011-04-26 Thread George Land
As I've said before, U2 is growing, there was double digit sales growth last year. But it is also changing, end users are increasingly not employing programmers of any sort. Software development is more and more a function of software companies with end user companies running what they buy. The

Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

2011-04-26 Thread Symeon Breen
If this was facebook I would click like. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Randall Sent: 26 April 2011 17:58 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye... Doug, I think you make an

Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

2011-04-26 Thread Charles_Shaffer
it is all about web integration, smartphones, tablets, good looking and easily usable UIs. We have a platform on which we can do that easier than most other technologies, but it's about new skills blended with U2, pure U2 doesn't cut it any more. Well said. Rocket needs to create a

Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

2011-04-26 Thread Bill Brutzman
What? No U2 Cloud? --B ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

2011-04-26 Thread George Gallen
Pick a cloud, any cloud! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman What? No U2 Cloud? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org

Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

2011-04-26 Thread George Gallen
Actually, I'd think the Cloud would be a natrual. We already have the Rocket! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 2:02 PM To: U2 Users List

Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

2011-04-26 Thread Kevin King
I'm with Symeon, if this were Facebook I'd like George Land's comment. But that brings me to my point: We need to be the ones creating the next Facebook or whatever that is. Until our applications fully embrace web technology as a primary infrastructure instead of a bolt-on to green screen

Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

2011-04-26 Thread Charles_Shaffer
And as to dot-net... why complicate the hell out of a good thing like the web? :) Amen, Brother. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org

Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

2011-04-26 Thread John Hester
We just unveiled a new web 2.0 site last month that we're all very proud of around here. It makes extensive use of AJAX, jQuery, a lot of fancy CSS, and UniVerse on the back end. Maybe we could have done something like this using a more typical web backend database like mySQL, but I think it

Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

2011-04-26 Thread George Gallen
We have been using web services recently to allow UV to play nice with a couple of other servers. Using XML as the output format. I have it setup to accept either XML input or parameters (POST) or parameters for input (GET). I currently use a perl .cgi as my gateway/interface between APACHE

Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

2011-04-26 Thread Brian Leach
Kevin The only thing that I see holding us back is the maturity of our connectivity options It's not often I disagree with you, but here I must.. We don't lack mature interfaces. We have UO.Net; UOJ; web services - now both XML and JSON; WebDE - not to mention third party alternatives.

Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

2011-04-26 Thread Kevin King
Brian, I respect your disagreement, and - to a point - disagree with it. You are correct we have a plethora of connectivity options, but I disagree that UO is the best connector bar none. You are coming from Universe, I am coming from Unidata, and from Unidata, UO has historically been a mess,

[U2] HP PA-RISC to Itanium

2011-04-26 Thread Norman, David (Health)
We're thinking about moving from HP-UX on PA-RISC to HP-UX on Itanium (UniVerse). I'm seeing conflicting advice as to whether there's an Endian issue or not. Will we need to run fnuxi ? (and where's the documentation for fnuxi ?) or are there better ways of converting files accounts if

Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

2011-04-26 Thread Kevin King
John, just spent a couple minutes on the site. Nice job! Isn't jQuery just amazing? -Kevin http://www.PrecisOnline.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

Re: [U2] Saying Goodbye...

2011-04-26 Thread John Hester
Thanks, Kevin! Yes, we were repeatedly amazed by jQuery during the development process. We found a way to handle pretty much every cool gui function the design dept. threw at us. The other free tool I was really impressed with was DWR (Direct Web Remoting) for AJAX. You just include their