[OFF-TOPIC] Re: ideological speed bumps

2010-05-16 Thread Tim Cross
Hi Eric, I've added comments in-line below. However, this is probably beginning to get a little off topic for the list. Maybe take further discussion off list if you want to respond further. Alternatively, maybe you have some suggestions or ubuntu specific points that could be brought in to get

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Re: ideological speed bumps

2010-05-16 Thread Pia
I just wanted to ask that you guys not take this topic off list. It was one of the most seriously useful conversations that has been on here for a long time, because it looks at the future of a barely functional state of things which is really what we all should be concerned about. So, I have

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Re: ideological speed bumps

2010-05-16 Thread Bill Cox
I'm also following this thread. I had to program by voice for three years in the '90s, first with Dragon Dictate, and then with Naturally Speaking. I eventually wrote 1,600 voice macros mostly to control emacs to help me do my job. When I started with Dragon Dictate, I was excited about the

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Re: ideological speed bumps

2010-05-16 Thread Hugh Sasse
On Sun, 16 May 2010, Tim Cross wrote: Hi Eric, I've added comments in-line below. However, this is probably beginning to get a little off topic for the list. Maybe take further discussion off list if you I beg to differ. This is an accessibility list, and these questions are surely

Re: ideological speed bumps

2010-05-16 Thread Hugh Sasse
One would have hoped that 19 years after the Americans with Disabilities Act, and 15 years after similar UK legislation was enacted, things would have improved. I wonder if the Electronic Frontier Foundation could use such legislation to get more cross-platform support from the large commercial

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Re: ideological speed bumps

2010-05-16 Thread Tim Cross
I suggested moving this discussion off list as I've found in the past that general accessibility issues on a distribution specific list are not always welcomed. If the general feeling of list participants is that this sort of discussion is on topic, interesting and useful, I have no problems

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Re: ideological speed bumps

2010-05-16 Thread Pia
One thing I have been wondering about for a long time is how to actually contribute as an Ubuntu Accessibility maintainer. Though I have asked and tried to get some input on it, no one has offered assistance from the official team. My real problem is that the directions and documentation for

ideological speed bumps

2010-05-15 Thread Eric S. Johansson
I've had this conversation with a couple of OSS developers and the answers always leave me very uncomfortable. The problem is how does one live by OSS principals when essential tools are vehemently closed and the barriers to replacements are decade scale and no one is working on them? The

Re: ideological speed bumps

2010-05-15 Thread Eric S. Johansson
On 5/15/2010 8:59 PM, Tim Cross wrote: Hi Eric, the points you raise and your observations are all true, but I don't think there is a good answer. What it really boils down to is that OSS is largely about solutions that have been developed by users scratching their own itch. Unfortunately,